The High Cost of Fweeeedom!

[misuspita]

Regardless of what it cost, it's what they asked for, and now they'll live with it.
The UK has been around for a very long time, and I expect it will continue to be around for a very long time.

Maybe, maybe not. In the event of a no-deal Brexit, there is a possibility that some members of the Union will request secesion. Northern Ireland, Scotland... And that was not at all the intention of the Brexit vote, with all the meeddlig from outside forces, Russia being one of them. Break UE and also break UK? win-win for them. For USA also it might seem, because a powerful future UE federation is less easy to control rather than separate smaller states

 

[sdifox]

It's pretty well apparent that the EU has more to worry about than just Brexit. It is honestly falling apart from all over.

But go ahead and attempt to insult Britain. You will fail miserably, but go ahead.

Hang on a mo, you blokes dumped some Ceylon tea into the harbour not that long ago.

 

[Greenman]

Of course the UK will still be around. No ones saying that it's going to be a cross between the hunger games and Mad Max. We are just going to be a lot poorer, have less protections for workers or the poor, and be culturally more isolated.

And it's not really what people asked for. The options really weren't articulated well by either side and the brexiteers particularly used a lot of untruths in this campaign. As the reality of Brexit is looming and people can see what it involves public opinion is very much turn8ng to remaining part of the EU. As a little example of that Garage held a poll on his Facebook page with a simple in or out option. Now you'd think that that would be a shoe in with his supporters. The result? About 65% voted to scrap Brexit and remain part of the EU.

The thing is, the UK always left the door for this open. They never gave up the pound for the euro, so it seems to me that they never fully committed to the EU.
I don't know very much about the issue. The claim that the brexit folks lied is a given, the losing side of an issue always claims that the other side lied. It appears to me that a democratic nation voted on an issue, that some people were misinformed, lazy, or complacent is a given.

 

[fskimospy]

The thing is, the UK always left the door for this open. They never gave up the pound for the euro, so it seems to me that they never fully committed to the EU.
I don't know very much about the issue. The claim that the brexit folks lied is a given, the losing side of an issue always claims that the other side lied. It appears to me that a democratic nation voted on an issue, that some people were misinformed, lazy, or complacent is a given.

The pro-Brexit people's centerpiece campaign slogan was that the UK sent 350 million pounds a week to the EU and by leaving they could get that money back to spend on the NHS. This was a ludicrously false claim as it both inflated the amount the UK actually sends and didn't account for any of the money the UK got back. It is the equivalent of a state in the US counting only its federal taxes and not including any federal outlays in the state. The actual amount the UK sends the EU each year is a fraction of that.

So yes, I agree with you that the losing side always claims the winning side lied but this is a pretty egregious case of a side misrepresenting the facts.

 

[Jhhnn]

Can't figure it out? Job stealin' eastern Europeans are the British version of job stealin' Mexicans. Brexit is their version of the Wall.

 

[WelshBloke]

The thing is, the UK always left the door for this open. They never gave up the pound for the euro, so it seems to me that they never fully committed to the EU.

I think that we were certainly in a unique position in the EU. One that we were crazy to voluntarily give up.

I don't know very much about the issue. The claim that the brexit folks lied is a given, the losing side of an issue always claims that the other side lied.

You'd probably need to have been here for the campaign and aftermath to see the shear levels of deception and hand waving away of serious issues.

It appears to me that a democratic nation voted on an issue, that some people were misinformed, lazy, or complacent is a given.

People voted on a certain issue. They never had the chance to vote on the myriad of issues that have been linked to it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Can't figure it out? Job stealin' eastern Europeans are the British version of job stealin' Mexicans. Brexit is their version of the Wall.

It saddens me but that's a pretty accurate description of a lot of peoples thought process during the vote.

 

[Genx87]

It saddens me but that's a pretty accurate description of a lot of peoples thought process during the vote.

My sister did an internship in Norway for 3 months. They have the same view of Eastern Europeans. It was surprising to me to hear this as an American.

 

[WelshBloke]

My sister did an internship in Norway for 3 months. They have the same view of Eastern Europeans. It was surprising to me to hear this as an American.

Parts of Eastern Europe are very poor by Western European standards. This has lead to a fair bit of immigration from the poorer parts of Europe to the richer parts. For the most part this has been in search of better paid jobs and a chance to improve individuals lives, it has also brought with it a certain criminal element and aggressive begging. Whether you see those as significant problems that outweigh the advantages is a personal opinion.

 

[Vic]

Smith long ago proved that a nation's currency value is based upon the value of its trade. Brexit meant Britain will at some point no longer have duty-free access into EU market, thus the value of its trade is reduced by the projected amount of these new taxes, and correspondingly the value of its currency.

 

[fskimospy]

I think that we were certainly in a unique position in the EU. One that we were crazy to voluntarily give up.

It really was the best of all possible worlds, you got the advantages of being in the EU without the dumbness of the Euro.

 

[Josephus312]

That's not true at all. Freedom of movement in the EU means EU citizens can live anywhere they want in the EU. Reversing that was a big reason Brexit was voted in.

https://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-unveils-new-uk-immigration-system/

I literally wrote "from outside of Europe".

 

[Jhhnn]

I literally wrote "from outside of Europe".

My mistake about the not true part. The rest is accurate & largely as I said. Leaving the EU won't change the immigration status of non-EU citizens in the UK, anyway.

Some Brits are apparently as delusional about immigrants as some Americans are about illegals.