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Nvidia is going all out on vram speeds for the gtx770 if this GPU-Z screenshot is true. 7% boost speed increase, 17% bandwidth increase, should translate into a 10+% performance increase over gtx680. Nice little speed bump, especially if it's the same or cheaper price.
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well 6000 is still the fastest that's available in volume so I really doubt they have it oced to 7000 out of the box.Nvidia is going all out on vram speeds for the gtx770 if this GPU-Z screenshot is true.
I don't get what you're saying - do you think this GPU-z screenshot is with the vram at stock gtx770 vram speeds or overclocked?
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well I am saying if its that speed out of the box then I am beyond surprised for the 2 reasons I just mentioned.
Nvidia is going all out on vram speeds for the gtx770 if this GPU-Z screenshot is true. 7% boost speed increase, 17% bandwidth increase, should translate into a 10+% performance increase over gtx680. Nice little speed bump, especially if it's the same or cheaper price.
So you think that a 10% increase for the same price is good?
Considering it's not a new generation of chips, yes I do. It's called "refresh" for a reason. GTX570's replaced GTX480's at very similar prices, and performance was about the same. GTX560's replaced the overclocked GTX460's at about the same price, and performance was the same. AMD's 7000 lineup when it first came out, essentially replaced the 6000 parts at the same performance and price.... so yeah same process, same chips, increase in performance without an increase in price would be good. How is it not good?
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory...sung_Begins_to_Produce_7GHz_GDDR5_Memory.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory...miconductor_Introduces_7GHz_GDDR5_Memory.html
That's 2008-2009 time-frame.
I'm guessing they're available in quantity by now.
AMD/ATi's memory speeds are the ones limited by inferior IMC GCN vs Kepler.
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even 6500 was not at the end of last year. prices would probably be crazy high for 6500 if it is available now and I still cant even imagine 7000 though. plus I really doubt the memory controller can consistently handle 7000. if it can then it probably right at its limit for many cases. and no the gpu itself appears to have no real tweaks. I guess we will see pretty soon though and stranger things have happened.
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This is just a flat out rebrand except for the cut down Titan 780 to stop prices falling. When AMD did the rebrand earlier this year for the OEM's there were all kinds of people upset. Now nVidia is doing it at retail and it's good? I don't call that good.
jesus... should they throw away GK110 too, both Ultra and LE version,
since the chip is already in Titan, and it's same old Kepler arch?
if true, 7Gbps would really give some breathing room to G$104 <-- LMAO that was actually typo
since the chip is already in Titan, and it's same old Kepler arch?
if true, 7Gbps would really give some breathing room to G$104 <-- LMAO that was actually typo
It's a rebrand with speed bumps. AMD's rebrand was a rebrand with absolutely no changes to the card specs whatsoever. And prices have to be falling in order to STOP prices from falling, but as has already been discussed quite heavily in another thread, prices are NOT falling. Soooo..... right. Your argument is not very argumentative.
Inferior Integrated Memory Controller
The reason 7790 is such an improvement is because it can reliably clock to 6000 MT/s, something that all 7970 ASICs cannot actually do reliably even when 6000 MT/s rated memory is equipped.
This is the main reason why so many companies released cards that were the same core speed as 7970 GHz edition since launch of the original 7970 but the memory was clock at 5000 MT/s or 5500 MT/s even though some of them were explicitly designed and equipped with 6000 MT/s rated memory.
Nvidia was outright bragging about their IMC's easy ability to clock to 7000 MT/s and beyond at Kepler's launch and that that was one of the biggest problems with Fermi.
The reason not all 680s clock to 7000 MT/s is because I doubt they are all equipped with 7000 MT/s rated GDDR5.
Equip it with 7000 MT/s rated GDDR5 and its the easiest way to refresh the line that I can't believe no-one speculated about it beforehand.
And before people look at my sig and goes "But you have 7000 MT/s running on your GPU!," this is with obvious artifacting present in DX9 and heavy memory overvolting. My XFX Black Edition 7970 actually artifacts in DX9 @ 6000 MT/s even though the GDDR5 chips are clearly 6000 MT/s chips.
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you have a link for that because I remember nvidia bragging about 6000 not 7000. and none of them were/are equipped 7000 because it was/is not even available in volume. it wont be on 700 series either unless something has changed very recently.
You aren't saying anything new. I don't see the point in going back and forth about a bunch of rebrands. I'm interested in the 780 sku to see what it brings new perf/$ as that's the only new card.
Yes, now that I re-read the article, my memory of the Kepler 680 article has blended too many aspects together.
This paragraph got lossyly compressed in my brain over time it seems.
My brain then got that also related to the ROP advantage over the 7970.
It stands to reason that 7000 MT/s memory, if available, would probably run fine on GK104 though, as I anecdotally haven't remembered any thread or site review that wasn't able to do 7000 MT/s without performance degradation or artifacts (Indicating corruption of the data-stream/data) on the Samsung 6000 MT/s memory without over-volting.
You're complaining about speed bumps to new cards at the same prices of existing cards using the same chips. You're complaining that a faster card costs the same. Then you're saying this is all to stop falling prices, but clearly prices aren't falling right now nor have they in many, many months. To me it sounds like you are complaining just to complain.
If these were new, shiny 20nm products and the price/performance curve was as it will be with these upcoming cards, then yeah I think it's a valid complaint. And also if gtx780 ends up being above $599, then yeah I think it's another valid complaint. But to complain that a "rebrand" card with better performance costing the same is bad, ESPECIALLY in the face of stagnating prices, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Alternatively, AMD rebrand, higher sku same gpu - Nvidia rebrand, lower sku same gpu.
I hope it's true, and I hope it's sub $400. Push these mid-range cards back down to where they should have started. I'll get a third 7950 when they drop below $250 before rebate.
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I'll be surprised if it's $399. I'm guessing it will be $450, allowing GTX780 to be an absurd $649.
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The 780M looks really nice to me
http://videocardz.com/41383/more-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780m-benchmarks-emerge
http://videocardz.com/41383/more-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780m-benchmarks-emerge
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