"The GTX 680 was supposed to be the GTX 660"

[Atreidin]

A wafer is only so big, genius.

*whoosh*

 

[SirPauly]

I'd like 10 square centimeters of GPU, hold the mayo.

 

[Homeles]

*whoosh*

You have forever humbled my opinion of humanity.

 

[Atreidin]

You have forever humbled my opinion of humanity.

If you aren't trolling maybe you should look up what "whoosh" means on urban dictionary.
I'd explain my comments to you but it isn't fun arguing with trolls. And if you aren't a troll, it still isn't fun explaining things to know-it-alls with a laughably false sense of superiority.

 

[Homeles]

If you aren't trolling maybe you should look up what "whoosh" means on urban dictionary.
I'd explain my comments to you but it isn't fun arguing with trolls. And if you aren't a troll, it still isn't fun explaining things to know-it-alls with a laughably false sense of superiority.

I'm well aware of what it means. It's also not difficult to feel superior to someone with such a blatant incapability of understanding something so simple.

 

[Atreidin]

I'm well aware of what it means. It's also not difficult to feel superior to someone with such a blatant incapability of understanding something so simple.

It's called a joke. 10cm^2 is obviously bigger than any wafer size (not to mention an ENORMOUS size for a GPU, which should have been your first clue that it was a joke). And if you want to get pedantic I didn't say the GPU had to be in one piece, or even that I only wanted one. They could tape smaller ones together. I bet they could get a great volume discount on scotch tape, only a few cents per pound.

However, I have to give you an A for effort in your attempt to draw attention away from your inane statement which I initially mocked.

 

[Lepton87]

It's called a joke. 10cm^2 is obviously bigger than any wafer size

What? You know that wafers are 300mm in diameter

 

[Atreidin]

What? You know that wafers are 300mm in diameter, that's more than 700cm2.

Oh yeah you're right, I wasn't thinking, I mix up my units sometimes. 450mm should be out eventually. Either way it was a joke, didn't need to be attacked by a douche.

 

[Homeles]

However, I have to give you an A for effort in your attempt to draw attention away from your inane statement which I initially mocked.

It's pretty amazing how someone could not understand something so elementary. That is why your "joke" wasn't funny. It was downright depressing that you could not grasp what I was saying.

 

[IlllI]

I lol if anyone thinks the 680 was always meant to be the 680. They only got away with calling it a 680 b/c of the weak competition from AMD.

 

[Homeles]

I lol if anyone thinks the 680 was always meant to be the 680. They only got away with calling it a 680 b/c of the weak competition from AMD.

Your ignorance of the GPU industry is astounding.

Homeles, please take it down a notch. There's no reason to get hostile. Certainly no one else here is.
-ViRGE

 

[ShintaiDK]

The biggest die you can massproduce atm is around 900mm2 due to the litho/mask. (If I recall right.)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Everything about GK104 is mid-range, design, specs, size, everything.

It's being sold as a high end card.

You could argue either way, it's a mid-range card being sold for $500 and competes with AMD's best card which was $550/600 prior to it coming out.


I'm sure Nvidia couldn't be happier either way and I won't be "upgrading" this gen either way.

 

[Lepton87]

The biggest die you can massproduce atm is around 900mm2 due to the litho/mask. (If I recall right.)

I don't recall anything bigger than Nehalem EX (beckton) measuring 684 mm2 on the market.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

And I thought op was smart

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Everything about GK104 is mid-range, design, specs, size, everything.

It's being sold as a high end card.

It doesnt matter... It is faster than the 580 so even if AMD hadnt released the 7970, Nvidia would still have priced the 680 at 400$ minimum

One thing people seem to conveniently forget... When was the last time Nvidia released a mid range card before the high end? Never in the last 10 years at least... AMD was the only one to do that, to "test the waters", but Nvidia always releases their high end first

And lets imagine for a moment that the 7970 was way faster than the 680... What then? Would Nvidia just sit on their butts with a midrange card that cant compete for a whole year? Are you serious? Its obvious Nvidia planned the 680 to take the leadership since long ago, thats just the kind of company they are, too proud to give up the top spot

 

[Homeles]

And I thought op was smart

The OP begs his opposition to stop making claims that have been repeatedly backed by evidence. The OP then makes baseless claims. Finally, he asked for evidence from the opposition, but disallowed the use of the #1 fact that the opposition can use.

I don't think the OP understands the concept of rhetoric.

It doesnt matter... It is faster than the 580 so even if AMD hadnt released the 7970, Nvidia would still have priced the 680 at 400$ minimum

One thing people seem to conveniently forget... When was the last time Nvidia released a mid range card before the high end? Never in the last 10 years at least... AMD was the only one to do that, to "test the waters", but Nvidia always releases their high end first

Are you talking about the 6800 series? That wasn't "testing the waters." That was a direct result of TSMC scrapping their 32nm process. The 6900 series was delayed because it was planned to be a 32nm part until the very last hour. The 6800 series was moved away from the 32nm process when it became apparent that it wasn't as cost effective as 40nm.

And lets imagine for a moment that the 7970 was way faster than the 680... What then? Would Nvidia just sit on their butts with a midrange card that cant compete for a whole year? Are you serious?

Er, yes? What else could they have done?

Its obvious Nvidia planned the 680 to take the leadership since long ago, thats just the kind of company they are, too proud to give up the top spot

Yeah, Nvidia is prideful, but this is just ridiculous. If "taking the leadership" is so easy that you can just "plan" for it... I don't even know what to say to this. Given what you lead into this statement with, it seems as this is what you are trying to say.

If you mean that they planned GK104 to be their highest end offering, then yes. Whatever caused GK104 to end up as their 680, be it the death of GK100 or a management decision... the decision was made long before the 7970 even made it to market.

 

[blackened23]

Like mentioned by chimax, there is evidence of it but it just didn't work out because GK100 was well publicized to have failed, and GK110 is still a work in progress. GK104 is their highest part that they can produce right now. And who cares anyway? The only people bringing this up are those trying to start an argument, period.. Whatever.

 

[Keysplayr]

Does anyone really truly care about this.......

 

[Will Robinson]

HD7970 Ghz Edition is the fastest single GPU card on the market so it doesn't matter what they call the 680...flagship or mid range....
Either their flagship gets beaten or their best mid range gets beaten.
I sense some NV egos here are upset by that.:whiste:

Will, we've been over this; we do not allow trolling and you know it. Your posting privileges are hereby revoked until further notice.
-ViRGE

 

[Keysplayr]

HD7970 Ghz Edition is the fastest single GPU card on the market so it doesn't matter what they call the 680...flagship or mid range....
Either their flagship gets beaten or their best mid range gets beaten.
I sense some NV egos here are upset by that.:whiste:

And it actually sounds a lot like you love to rub it in and bait?

Glass house mean anything to you?

As for you Keys, please don't feed the trolls
-ViRGE

 

[BallaTheFeared]

HD7970 Ghz Edition is the fastest single GPU card on the market so it doesn't matter what they call the 680...flagship or mid range....
Either their flagship gets beaten or their best mid range gets beaten.
I sense some NV egos here are upset by that.:whiste:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...deId=1&Description=7970+Ghz+Edition&x=19&y=17

:thumbsup:

 

[cmdrdredd]

The point is that this is irrelevant... Its the fastest card Nvidia has, regardless of what it is called, so its their high end

Because by the die size/power logic, every previous AMD card since the 3870 has been a midrange card

Funny to see NV fanboys spinning stuff all the time though... By the time GK110 is here, so will the 8970, so whats your point?

Nobody knows if that's true. Nvidia could launch way before AMD has something ready, or it could go the other way. Saying stuff like that and then calling others fanboys is pretty silly since it has happened in the past that the competition had nothing for a while to release and there was no high end competition for a time.

Like mentioned by chimax, there is evidence of it but it just didn't work out because GK100 was well publicized to have failed, and GK110 is still a work in progress. GK104 is their highest part that they can produce right now. And who cares anyway? The only people bringing this up are those trying to start an argument, period.. Whatever.

This I can agree with. This is what Nvidia had and they deemed it good enough. It competed well with and beat the flagship AMD card in many ways when compared in stock configuration. No need to bring up overclocking guys, most people don't overclock GPUs. Yeah we here probably do, but we are not the entire market.

Anyway I'm sure if Nvidia had something faster they would have brought it out. I don't understand the need to point out or call the GTX 680 a mid range part. What are you trying to say? If it's trying to be insulting to owners and to Nvidia directly it's not a very good insult because it's high praise that a mid-range card does so well against the best the competition is offering.

 

[tviceman]

I don't recall anything bigger than Nehalem EX (beckton) measuring 684 mm2 on the market.

Interesting I did not know that. I thought Nvidia's GT200 was the biggest chip ever made.

 

[Kaldorine]

Funny how the OP never came back to the thread. LoL!