The Growth of Walmart

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: darkxshade
When is a Walmart going to pop up in Manhattan, New York.

When Walmart pays New York City enough to allow thousands of small shop to dissapear overnight.

Yeah, because competition is bad, right? :roll:

If you coddle non-competitive stores by keeping their competition out, you do nothing but screw the consumer.

Pure Capitalism relies too much on honor, of which there is none in capitalism.

 

[CasioTech]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Too bad so little of what they sell is actually made in America.

Go purchase something else then, you can make your own choices. If need be, open up your own shop.

hahaha and when an ebayer sells something, they don't want to pay over walmart prices.

 

[Rudee]

It figures they expanded to the trashier part of the Country first.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Too bad so little of what they sell is actually made in America.

Yep. Sam Walton used to be proud of how large a percentage of his goods were "Made in the USA. I'll bet he's turned over in his grave many times since his kids took over and nowadays, very little that they sell is Made in the USA.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Amused

So what? The success of Walmart obviously means they are selling what a large enough percentage of people want, at prices they want.

Why is it bad to sell cheaper lawn mowers at $99? Why is it bad to sell cheaper goods that the lower classes can afford? Should they be forced to do without because elitists don't like that walmart sells cheaper goods? Should they be forced to buy used equipment? Or is it just that you don't believe the poor should cut their lawns at all?

The most elitist part of the hate walmart bandwaggon is displayed right in this very thread: Walmart sucks because it's filled with redecks and minorities.

Wow... a store that becomes successful by offering better selection, prices and a higher quality of life than ever before to the poorest among us is bad because those poorest among us go there.

hmmmm....

It isn't that Walmart is selling what people want. It is that they are selling what people have access to. Consider this:

A city with several shops selling quality merchandise.
Walmart comes in selling lower quality, at low prices, even buying out the makers of the quality merchandise telling them, sell at our price or go out of business.
Once the competition is gone, walmart charges whatever it wants. You can no longer buy quality because those manufacturers now no longer exist. It isn't competition or low prices at this point, it is a monopoly.

You say people in this thread hate walmart because it is filled with rednecks and minorities when you yourself imply that only low class people shop at walmart.

Personally I shop at walmart only when absolutely necessary. China has enough of our money without me helping both a mega corporation and them. Instead I live in a small town where there are the shops that a walmart store would have closed. They have tried several times to interest the town in coming here. No thanks, we like our town the way it is.

And guess what ? We have many many poor people here and there are no complaints. I rather walk in a grocery store where the manager says Hi, and the cashiers talk to you , the pharmacist know you by name and when I go to a specialty store, the person there really cares about what I want to buy. It isn't some teenager who could care less.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Too bad so little of what they sell is actually made in America.

Yep. Sam Walton used to be proud of how large a percentage of his goods were "Made in the USA. I'll bet he's turned over in his grave many times since his kids took over and nowadays, very little that they sell is Made in the USA.

yeap they used to have commercials saying something like "we buy american FIRST!" etc.


but its not so much the kids. its the board that changed what walmart was.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So you're saying Walmart hates Nevada?

Everyone hates Nevada

 

[WingZero94]

kewl map

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Amused


The most elitist part of the hate walmart bandwaggon is displayed right in this very thread: Walmart sucks because it's filled with redecks and minorities.

Racist

I didnt say I hate Walmart, I like shopping there because stuff is cheap. I just go to the one in the better neighborhood because it doesnt look like a trailer park hit Tijuana, with crap all over the floors and hordes of kids running around.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: darkxshade
When is a Walmart going to pop up in Manhattan, New York.

When Walmart pays New York City enough to allow thousands of small shop to dissapear overnight.

Yeah, because competition is bad, right? :roll:

If you coddle non-competitive stores by keeping their competition out, you do nothing but screw the consumer.

Ma and pa shops can't compete because they can't buy in the same bulk that walmart can.
Though, if the ma and pa stores banded together and started making orders together thus allowing themto get better pricing on items, they could be more competitive.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Too bad so little of what they sell is actually made in America.

And you think Target is any better?

As matter of a fact, I do, at least from my experience. I've been to 1 Wal-Mart and it looks like a K-Mart, crap. I've been to many Targets and they look organized, clean, and well lid. The people who shop at Target don't look like trailer trash.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Amused

So what? The success of Walmart obviously means they are selling what a large enough percentage of people want, at prices they want.

Why is it bad to sell cheaper lawn mowers at $99? Why is it bad to sell cheaper goods that the lower classes can afford? Should they be forced to do without because elitists don't like that walmart sells cheaper goods? Should they be forced to buy used equipment? Or is it just that you don't believe the poor should cut their lawns at all?

The most elitist part of the hate walmart bandwaggon is displayed right in this very thread: Walmart sucks because it's filled with redecks and minorities.

Wow... a store that becomes successful by offering better selection, prices and a higher quality of life than ever before to the poorest among us is bad because those poorest among us go there.

hmmmm....

It isn't that Walmart is selling what people want. It is that they are selling what people have access to. Consider this:

A city with several shops selling quality merchandise.
Walmart comes in selling lower quality, at low prices, even buying out the makers of the quality merchandise telling them, sell at our price or go out of business.
Once the competition is gone, walmart charges whatever it wants. You can no longer buy quality because those manufacturers now no longer exist. It isn't competition or low prices at this point, it is a monopoly.

You say people in this thread hate walmart because it is filled with rednecks and minorities when you yourself imply that only low class people shop at walmart.

Personally I shop at walmart only when absolutely necessary. China has enough of our money without me helping both a mega corporation and them. Instead I live in a small town where there are the shops that a walmart store would have closed. They have tried several times to interest the town in coming here. No thanks, we like our town the way it is.

And guess what ? We have many many poor people here and there are no complaints. I rather walk in a grocery store where the manager says Hi, and the cashiers talk to you , the pharmacist know you by name and when I go to a specialty store, the person there really cares about what I want to buy. It isn't some teenager who could care less.

You forgot to mention they have exploited the tax payer along the way.

walmart sucks

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Amused

So what? The success of Walmart obviously means they are selling what a large enough percentage of people want, at prices they want.

Why is it bad to sell cheaper lawn mowers at $99? Why is it bad to sell cheaper goods that the lower classes can afford? Should they be forced to do without because elitists don't like that walmart sells cheaper goods? Should they be forced to buy used equipment? Or is it just that you don't believe the poor should cut their lawns at all?

The most elitist part of the hate walmart bandwaggon is displayed right in this very thread: Walmart sucks because it's filled with redecks and minorities.

Wow... a store that becomes successful by offering better selection, prices and a higher quality of life than ever before to the poorest among us is bad because those poorest among us go there.

hmmmm....

It isn't that Walmart is selling what people want. It is that they are selling what people have access to. Consider this:

A city with several shops selling quality merchandise.
Walmart comes in selling lower quality, at low prices, even buying out the makers of the quality merchandise telling them, sell at our price or go out of business.
Once the competition is gone, walmart charges whatever it wants. You can no longer buy quality because those manufacturers now no longer exist. It isn't competition or low prices at this point, it is a monopoly.

You say people in this thread hate walmart because it is filled with rednecks and minorities when you yourself imply that only low class people shop at walmart.

Personally I shop at walmart only when absolutely necessary. China has enough of our money without me helping both a mega corporation and them. Instead I live in a small town where there are the shops that a walmart store would have closed. They have tried several times to interest the town in coming here. No thanks, we like our town the way it is.

And guess what ? We have many many poor people here and there are no complaints. I rather walk in a grocery store where the manager says Hi, and the cashiers talk to you , the pharmacist know you by name and when I go to a specialty store, the person there really cares about what I want to buy. It isn't some teenager who could care less.

Show me a Walmart that raised its prices (beyond the rate of inflation) after the competition failed to compete and closed.

Hasn't happened.

Walmart sells the SAME brands of household goods as any other store. The percentage of products made in China at a Walmart is no more than any other discount store. What an absurd reason to pay more for the same damn stuff.

Fact: Walmart's business plan has enabled it to sell THE SAME GOODS to people at much lower prices. This brings a HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE to the poorest among us. Capitalism is about competition. FREE trade, not fair trade. You do not cut the legs off all the football players so that the legless player can compete. Just as you do not limit Walmart's growth and perfectly LEGAL business practices just so small business owners with 100 year old business models can compete.

Would you rather cut your shopping bill by a third and have sh!tty service, or pay a third more and have personalized service? If you choose the later, you have the LUXURY of doing so. But what of the single mother of 4 who scrubs toilets for a living? I guess she's just supposed to do without because you think she deserves better service over a higher standard of living, right?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: bctbct


You forgot to mention they have exploited the tax payer along the way.

walmart sucks

How has Walmart "exploited the tax payer?"

You do realize that no matter how high you set the corporate tax rates and tax business, that businesses and corporations actually pay NO taxes, they simply pass the cost of taxes on to the consumer. Corporate taxes are just another sales tax, nothing more. Do you actually think they cut the CEO's or corporate officer's pay when taxes go up? Nope, sorry. The industry just raises the prices of its goods and services and YOU pay corporate taxes, not them.

Moreover, these taxes hurt the poorest among us. If a shirt that used to sell for 10 bucks now cost 12 bucks because of taxes on the company, that doesn't hurt you or me that bad, but it sure does pinch the mother of 4 who can barely afford to feed and clothe her kids.

And finally, corporate taxes make American business less competitive on the world market, costing us jobs here at home and sending jobs over seas.

All because myopic people want to punish the rich and their success. Congrats, all you are doing is punishing yourself, and the poorest among us.

Why give tax breaks to Walmart? Because it pays off and gives the poorest among us the best prices on every day goods, plus items that used to be only an unafordable luxury to them just a couple decades ago.

Funny how I never see poor struggling people hating on walmart. Only middle class or higher liberals do that. Elitism at its finest.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Ma and pa shops can't compete because they can't buy in the same bulk that walmart can.
Though, if the ma and pa stores banded together and started making orders together thus allowing themto get better pricing on items, they could be more competitive.

Well, from what I've read and heard, it's more that they don't have the same pull... although your wording may imply that. In other words, Wal-Mart can (and has) refused to pay a certain price for a product from a manufacturer/distributor, so unless they want to possibly lose a huge chunk of their business, they gotta sell for Wal-Mart's price. It's smart business on Wal-Mart's side as they know they have the leverage to do this.

 

[MisterJackson]

Well, Walmart does have a habit of taking brands and "diluting" the quality of the product. Corners are cut, cheaper parts are used, all so more can be made and sold faster. In the end, the product brand name suffers.

Snapper did the right thing. I personally equated Snapper with durability (there's a 35 year old Snapper mower in our family that my grandfather originally bought). If that brand were sold through Walmart (or hell, any other major retailer) I'd be sad, simply because I know that things would change.

Change is good a lot of the time, in the case of Walmart I can't say that it is.

You cannot argue that they value money over quality and service, and these were the principles that Mr. Walton wanted Walmart to carry.

If he still lived I imagine Walmart would have taken a much different direction. A more "Lets keep our product manufacturing local" mentality. As it stands Walmart weilds so much power over manufacturers that they can make or break them. The current Walmart will dictate if XYZ is made in the USA or in a warehouse in Tiawan for pennies/dollars less.

Walmart actually has/had the ability to help steer the direction of our economy. I personally think they've helped devalue the dollar (along with the rest of us and our poor financial choices)

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Well, Walmart does have a habit of taking brands and "diluting" the quality of the product. Corners are cut, cheaper parts are used, all so more can be made and sold faster. In the end, the product brand name suffers.

Snapper did the right thing. I personally equated Snapper with durability (there's a 35 year old Snapper mower in our family that my grandfather originally bought). If that brand were sold through Walmart (or hell, any other major retailer) I'd be sad, simply because I know that things would change.

Change is good a lot of the time, in the case of Walmart I can't say that it is.

You cannot argue that they value money over quality and service, and these were the principles that Mr. Walton wanted Walmart to carry.

If he still lived I imagine Walmart would have taken a much different direction. A more "Lets keep our product manufacturing local" mentality. As it stands Walmart weilds so much power over manufacturers that they can make or break them. The current Walmart will dictate if XYZ is made in the USA or in a warehouse in Tiawan for pennies/dollars less.

Walmart actually has/had the ability to help steer the direction of our economy. I personally think they've helped devalue the dollar (along with the rest of us and our poor financial choices)

to be fair if you expect a $99 lawnmower from walmart to be the same quality as one purchased (for far more) from a lawn store you are nieve.

but the case of pepsi, tube of toothpase, mac and cheese, etc is the same as the one in Target or jewel store.

BUT yes they do have manufactures produce a special series for them. usually useing cheaper goods (looked at a rideing lawnmower at walmart that had a lot of plastic compared to the one from Lowe's).

 

[TecHNooB]

Wow, the eastern half of the US got RAPED!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Well, Walmart does have a habit of taking brands and "diluting" the quality of the product. Corners are cut, cheaper parts are used, all so more can be made and sold faster. In the end, the product brand name suffers.

Snapper did the right thing. I personally equated Snapper with durability (there's a 35 year old Snapper mower in our family that my grandfather originally bought). If that brand were sold through Walmart (or hell, any other major retailer) I'd be sad, simply because I know that things would change.

Change is good a lot of the time, in the case of Walmart I can't say that it is.

You cannot argue that they value money over quality and service, and these were the principles that Mr. Walton wanted Walmart to carry.

If he still lived I imagine Walmart would have taken a much different direction. A more "Lets keep our product manufacturing local" mentality. As it stands Walmart weilds so much power over manufacturers that they can make or break them. The current Walmart will dictate if XYZ is made in the USA or in a warehouse in Tiawan for pennies/dollars less.

Walmart actually has/had the ability to help steer the direction of our economy. I personally think they've helped devalue the dollar (along with the rest of us and our poor financial choices)

to be fair if you expect a $99 lawnmower from walmart to be the same quality as one purchased from a lawn and one purchased (for far more) from a lawn store you are nieve.

but the case of pepsi, tube of toothpase, mac and cheese, etc is the same as the one in Target or jewel store.

BUT yes they do have manufactures produce a special series for them. usually useing cheaper goods (looked at a rideing lawnmower at walmart that had a lot of plastic compared to the one from Lowe's).

And doing this makes products that the poorest among us could never dream owning now affordable to them.

Walmart is not a high end store. They never claimed to be. What they HAVE claimed is to offer the lowest price possible on the products they sell.

The vast majority of what Walmart sells is the same damn thing you can buy anywhere else. On the LUXURY (electronics, furniture and small appliances) items, they offer lower end products at price points never seen before.

And here we go back to the single mother of 4: So WHAT if the mower she bought is of lower quality??? For the first time in her income bracket she could AFFORD a mower. What is wrong with offering lower end products to people who previously could never dream of even owning such things???

When I bought my lawn tractor did I go to Walmart? No, I am able to AFFORD a high end product so I went where those are sold. I also did not bitch that Walmart sells lower end products. Why should I? I know that there are people out there who can't afford anything else and I would never dream of hating Walmart simply because they offer these items.

I still cannot understand all the bitching over a store that has offered the opportunity for poorest among us to own items they previously never dreamed they could afford.

 

[mb]

mfl

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
Wow, the eastern half of the US got RAPED!

It's where all the population is.

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Well, Walmart does have a habit of taking brands and "diluting" the quality of the product. Corners are cut, cheaper parts are used, all so more can be made and sold faster. In the end, the product brand name suffers.

Snapper did the right thing. I personally equated Snapper with durability (there's a 35 year old Snapper mower in our family that my grandfather originally bought). If that brand were sold through Walmart (or hell, any other major retailer) I'd be sad, simply because I know that things would change.

Change is good a lot of the time, in the case of Walmart I can't say that it is.

You cannot argue that they value money over quality and service, and these were the principles that Mr. Walton wanted Walmart to carry.

If he still lived I imagine Walmart would have taken a much different direction. A more "Lets keep our product manufacturing local" mentality. As it stands Walmart weilds so much power over manufacturers that they can make or break them. The current Walmart will dictate if XYZ is made in the USA or in a warehouse in Tiawan for pennies/dollars less.

Walmart actually has/had the ability to help steer the direction of our economy. I personally think they've helped devalue the dollar (along with the rest of us and our poor financial choices)

to be fair if you expect a $99 lawnmower from walmart to be the same quality as one purchased from a lawn and one purchased (for far more) from a lawn store you are nieve.

If you mean me directly, am I that nieve? Then no, I'm not. I wasn't implying that I thought that or expected it. If you mean the buying consumer in general, then yeah, I disagree with you there. There are MANY people I know that think the one they get at Walmart is the same thing you get at the higher end store.

but the case of pepsi, tube of toothpase, mac and cheese, etc is the same as the one in Target or jewel store.

BUT yes they do have manufactures produce a special series for them. usually useing cheaper goods (looked at a rideing lawnmower at walmart that had a lot of plastic compared to the one from Lowe's).

And doing this makes products that the poorest among us could never dream owning now affordable to them.

Walmart is not a high end store. They never claimed to be. What they HAVE claimed is to offer the lowest price possible on the products they sell.

The vast majority of what Walmart sells is the same damn thing you can buy anywhere else. On the LUXURY (electronics, furniture and small appliances) items, they offer lower end products at price points never seen before.

And here we go back to the single mother of 4: So WHAT if the mower she bought is of lower quality??? For the first time in her income bracket she could AFFORD a mower. What is wrong with offering lower end products to people who previously could never dream of even owning such things???

When I bought my lawn tractor did I go to Walmart? No, I am able to AFFORD a high end product so I went where those are sold. I also did not bitch that Walmart sells lower end products. Why should I? I know that there are people out there who can't afford anything else and I would never dream of hating Walmart simply because they offer these items.

I still cannot understand all the bitching over a store that has offered the opportunity for poorest among us to own items they previously never dreamed they could afford.

I wasn't really bitching about Walmart, only pointing out the obvious. I'm not sure why you're so worked up over this, but it sounds like you're about to have a stroke. I don't argue that Walmart hasn't done some good. It's just the bad far out weighs the good at this point, and had better executive decisions been made earlier on this might not be the case.

Yes, you give the single mom the chance to finally own the lawn mower she needed, that's great. I live in SC, so I see plenty of examples for your argument.

However, in the end, Walmart fucks the lower class in any given area by bringing down wages, so you do the math.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So you're saying Walmart hates Nevada?

There are only two general areas that Walmart can grow into within NV

Reno & Vegas.

The other two spots on the map are small towns that are just able to suport one small store due to the location being crossroads on I80 and north/sourth highways US93 and US95 highway.

Walmart is not going to drop itself in the middle of nothing where there are 40-1000 people only to support them within a 100 mile radius.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
I wasn't really bitching about Walmart, only pointing out the obvious. I'm not sure why you're so worked up over this, but it sounds like you're about to have a stroke. I don't argue that Walmart hasn't done some good. It's just the bad far out weighs the good at this point, and had better executive decisions been made earlier on this might not be the case.

Yes, you give the single mom the chance to finally own the lawn mower she needed, that's great. I live in SC, so I see plenty of examples for your argument.

However, in the end, Walmart fucks the lower class in any given area by bringing down wages, so you do the math.

"If you mean me directly, am I that nieve? Then no, I'm not. I wasn't implying that I thought that or expected it. If you mean the buying consumer in general, then yeah, I disagree with you there. There are MANY people I know that think the one they get at Walmart is the same thing you get at the higher end store. "


if you know you are not going to get the same quality then good. Sad that people really expect it though. if a item usually cost $400 then you have to question why one cost $99 at walmart.

As for food items and such it is the SAME at walmar,target, albertsons etc. As amused said luxury items are not.


As for the wages walmart is by far the largest employer of teh Retired, students, disabled around. many who do not need many hours or insurance.

Also when i worked at walmart (during high school) i was makeing more then any fast food place, more then almost all the other stores (lowes was higher by 2 bucks an hour and the same as Target). it was great for me since my hours were .

walmart is not intended for a life long job. i know a few who do have that as the only job and trying to support a family. but these are the same people who quit high school and have no desire to work hard.

 

[Saint Nick]

Imagine if you did that with Starbucks.

It would crash the internet :shocked: