Proletariat,
Obviously part of you admiration has to do with him trying to take on the US, which you very clearly don't like. You also like that he cared very much for the poor. All that is well and good but you are ignoring most of the Che became. He very clearly was a murderer, unwilling to accept political decent, usually killing his opponents. He hated the west, and at the end cared more about hurting his percieved enemies than helping 'his poor.' He spread destablization across the region, which it still hasn't recovered from. And in the end, did he make the world better? A lot of people are dead. In Cuba his one 'successful' revolution, the people there aren't in any better shape than 50 years ago. Before you start blabbling about the US's fault in that, every other country trades with him, so the repression is of no fault of the US.
Most people who claim to love/admire him just see what they want to see, which is a very romantic vision. But his actions just don't support it.
Obviously part of you admiration has to do with him trying to take on the US, which you very clearly don't like. You also like that he cared very much for the poor. All that is well and good but you are ignoring most of the Che became. He very clearly was a murderer, unwilling to accept political decent, usually killing his opponents. He hated the west, and at the end cared more about hurting his percieved enemies than helping 'his poor.' He spread destablization across the region, which it still hasn't recovered from. And in the end, did he make the world better? A lot of people are dead. In Cuba his one 'successful' revolution, the people there aren't in any better shape than 50 years ago. Before you start blabbling about the US's fault in that, every other country trades with him, so the repression is of no fault of the US.
Most people who claim to love/admire him just see what they want to see, which is a very romantic vision. But his actions just don't support it.
Steeplerot
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:roll: OK I Will bite, How was Che a monster and not a hero of the same calibur of our founding fathers? (Just not white)
Yeah ok... I'm watching some of the show now and it is a little disgusting. Obviously they are polling from the "average American" and the results are entirely expected.
It looks like about half the people on the top 100 list are still living. Does anyone think that out of 225 years, over half of the greatest Americans ever are currently alive? What a complete lack of historical thought. Not only that, pop culture reigns supreme... how many celebrities can there possibly be? This isn't a "greatest American" list, it's a popularity contest.
It looks like about half the people on the top 100 list are still living. Does anyone think that out of 225 years, over half of the greatest Americans ever are currently alive? What a complete lack of historical thought. Not only that, pop culture reigns supreme... how many celebrities can there possibly be? This isn't a "greatest American" list, it's a popularity contest.
What idiot doesn't have a TV? miketheidiot of course! LOL.. Seriously, you don't have a TV? Wow..
I have a TV, but I don't have TV. I get my (mis?)information from the Internet, newspapers, Slashdot, and... ATPN. Not so much Slashdot anymore, they seem to have gotten really petty lately... or maybe I just lost interest in that sort of stuff or something.
What do you mean? Like when they have a story about the latest version of blackbox coming out or something? I stopped checking slashdot as much when I decided I didn't care about opensource that much. I still like them though.
Fluxbox FTW. More so all the posts about utterly uninteresting things I could do with the iPod I don't have. And all the completely redundant and anticlimactic updates on the legal matters of CherryOS and SCO and a multitude of other unexciting OSS issues.
Kerouactivist
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I voted Jefferson....
Einstein is a really good choice as well though.....
I think having Bill or George in the top 25 is a joke...
Same goes for Eleanor, Ronald Reagan, Neil Armstrong, Lance Armstrong, Billy Graham (WTF), Bob Hope, Oprah, Ali, and even Elvis and Rosa Parks are kinda iffy for the" top twenty five"...
Those freaking people in the top 25 you have to be kidding me...
No Philosophers or artists on the list anywhere....
This might as well be a pop... icon contest
Einstein is a really good choice as well though.....
I think having Bill or George in the top 25 is a joke...
Same goes for Eleanor, Ronald Reagan, Neil Armstrong, Lance Armstrong, Billy Graham (WTF), Bob Hope, Oprah, Ali, and even Elvis and Rosa Parks are kinda iffy for the" top twenty five"...
Those freaking people in the top 25 you have to be kidding me...
No Philosophers or artists on the list anywhere....
This might as well be a pop... icon contest
The repression is no fault of the US... What the hell are you talking about? The American sanctions are a huge blow to Cuba. They are one of our closest neighbors. Not to mention the fact that we coerce other nations into not trading with them.
It is a great evil that you have been propagandized enough by America to hate one of your own heroes. That makes me think America may be the great Satan. As for Cuba and where it is today I don't think that really matters to you, you left. You had no interest in staying in that country or helping its economy so you took the quick fix. Leap on a boat to your enemy's land and prop up his ego even more.
If you want to check out the facts go to wikipedia... You will be surprised to see that Cuba is one of the most prosperous and literate countries in South and Central America. Funny that the one country that still stands in opposition to us in the entire region is doing so well.
Yes, rather than attempt to answer my attacks on your 'logical' brotherhood devoid of humanity, you bold my name and call me an ass. It was expected. Trying to send a signal out to the vultures, eh?
A communist amidst our ranks!!! Quickly! Assemble and tear him to shreds. Unfortunately as you probably realized there really is nothing unifying the right these days except greed and hatred for mankind. There are no McCarthy's or other reactionaries ready to take up the cause my friend.
And isn't it so funny that 95% of modern conservatism (that is post 1945) is in its essence a reactionary movement. Always it was "Attack the Third World revolutionaries!!!" "Stem the tide of the communists who hate freedom and humanity" "Lock up the leftists!" "Kill the Lennons, Malcolm X's, Che Gueveras". Where were the ideas of their own? They had none. There will be no Motorcycle Diaries for George W. Bush, probably the only Conservative with a real ideology, and funny that he stole it from the liberal textbook and only made it a bit more violent, a bit more for the wealthy. The only 'diary' we will have of him will be the sad epitaph of high school prankster, turned college hooligan who duped the American public into the false dream of killing a Frankenstein-ish monster created by his ideological father (Reagan) and supported by his biological father (Bush Sr.). Who knows what new monsters we will create in this war?
Billy Graham is there to hopefully throw off the radical right wing fundamentalist who would sheepishly follow Sean Hannity into voting for Dumbya and/or Regan.
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