What i hate is what they talk about a lot, if you question the idea that humans are the cause you get yelled at. No one is saying pollution is a good thing, but it seems now that people dont care the reason. I have had friends tell me that scientists should back it up because worst case scenario you stop pollution. But thats not science.
Is pollution good? of course not.
is it scientifically proven that people are the reason its warmer now? I don't believe so.
Is pollution good? of course not.
is it scientifically proven that people are the reason its warmer now? I don't believe so.
dug777
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The most responsible course of action is to ignore it, and business as usual.
It doesn't matter what the IPCC says, they're 100% driven by self interest to keep their funding. Any correlation between human greenhouse emissions and climate change has simply been falsified by these thousands, if not millions of corrupt and self-interested scientists involved in research in this area.
It doesn't matter what the IPCC says, they're 100% driven by self interest to keep their funding. Any correlation between human greenhouse emissions and climate change has simply been falsified by these thousands, if not millions of corrupt and self-interested scientists involved in research in this area.
this went out on thursday night on channel 4 here in the UK. i thought it was very interesting, though it does fit my ideas of GW quite well.
i fail to see how man made CO2 on its own is causing GW, and i am definately sick of having the fact rammed down my throat by the BBC news crew and politicians every morning when they clearly havent got much of a clue about anything at all. David Cameron was on the breakfast news the other day and he was just talking complete BS.
for me, all i see man made CO2 and global warming as is a way for the government to yet again dip their hand into my wallet. thats all it is.
i believe the GW debate is no longer about GW, its about people keeping their lively hoods. tens of thousands of jobs, billions of dollars, and an almost religious following now depend on this idea of man made CO2 and GW, it would be a disaster for them if one day the whole theory was completely debunked and proven wrong.
i found it pretty suprising that the co-founder of green peace, now doesnt actually believe or agree in what the green movement is doing.
i think the success of this documentary are the people interviewed...there are some good high profile guys in there, includign former editior of new science which is a very good weekly journal/magazine here in the UK
i fail to see how man made CO2 on its own is causing GW, and i am definately sick of having the fact rammed down my throat by the BBC news crew and politicians every morning when they clearly havent got much of a clue about anything at all. David Cameron was on the breakfast news the other day and he was just talking complete BS.
for me, all i see man made CO2 and global warming as is a way for the government to yet again dip their hand into my wallet. thats all it is.
i believe the GW debate is no longer about GW, its about people keeping their lively hoods. tens of thousands of jobs, billions of dollars, and an almost religious following now depend on this idea of man made CO2 and GW, it would be a disaster for them if one day the whole theory was completely debunked and proven wrong.
i found it pretty suprising that the co-founder of green peace, now doesnt actually believe or agree in what the green movement is doing.
i think the success of this documentary are the people interviewed...there are some good high profile guys in there, includign former editior of new science which is a very good weekly journal/magazine here in the UK
this went out on thursday night on channel 4 here in the UK. i thought it was very interesting, though it does fit my ideas of GW quite well.
i fail to see how man made CO2 on its own is causing GW, and i am definately sick of having the fact rammed down my throat by the BBC news crew and politicians every morning when they clearly havent got much of a clue about anything at all. David Cameron was on the breakfast news the other day and he was just talking complete BS.
for me, all i see man made CO2 and global warming as is a way for the government to yet again dip their hand into my wallet. thats all it is.
i believe the GW debate is no longer about GW, its about people keeping their lively hoods. tens of thousands of jobs, billions of dollars, and an almost religious following now depend on this idea of man made CO2 and GW, it would be a disaster for them if one day the whole theory was completely debunked and proven wrong.
i found it pretty suprising that the co-founder of green peace, now doesnt actually believe or agree in what the green movement is doing.
i think the success of this documentary are the people interviewed...there are some good high profile guys in there, includign former editior of new science which is a very good weekly journal/magazine here in the UK
i fail to see how man made CO2 on its own is causing GW, and i am definately sick of having the fact rammed down my throat by the BBC news crew and politicians every morning when they clearly havent got much of a clue about anything at all. David Cameron was on the breakfast news the other day and he was just talking complete BS.
for me, all i see man made CO2 and global warming as is a way for the government to yet again dip their hand into my wallet. thats all it is.
i believe the GW debate is no longer about GW, its about people keeping their lively hoods. tens of thousands of jobs, billions of dollars, and an almost religious following now depend on this idea of man made CO2 and GW, it would be a disaster for them if one day the whole theory was completely debunked and proven wrong.
i found it pretty suprising that the co-founder of green peace, now doesnt actually believe or agree in what the green movement is doing.
i think the success of this documentary are the people interviewed...there are some good high profile guys in there, includign former editior of new science which is a very good weekly journal/magazine here in the UK
You do realize you sound exactly like the creationists, right? "It's just a theory", "It hasn't been proven yet", "There are lots of intelligent people who don't believe in it."
I agree, it's not 100% proven that humans are behind climate change. But it seems fairly clear that the climate is changing, CO2 levels and temperatures have been closely linked in the past, there's a model that explains the correlation well, and current CO2 levels are increasing at a faster rate than ever before. It might not even be burning fossil fuels that's the problem, it might be cutting down forests or polluting the ocean, and therefore reducing the planet's ability to reabsorb the freed carbon. The point is that we can't control the natural sources of CO2, but we CAN control our own, and if we want the world to be a comfortable place for human life, it might be a good idea to do what we can.
our contribution is relatively minute compared to what the earth itself produces. Volcanoes alone produce more CO2 than all industry combined.
then you have wildlife, decomposing animals and plants and the oceans themselves which cover 2/3 of the planet.
though maybe we are the straw and the earths carbon cycle is the camels back.
GW is happenenign but i dont think we are solely to blame at all, i think we are a small part of the blame, the current politicians are only looking at one small slice of the "contributing to GW" pie, if they took the whole pie in to consideration i'd probably have more respect for them
id also have more respect if i knew these questionable "green" taxes were actually going to be used to further research into clean energy sources....but with the monumental waste of money that our government seems be i doubt that will be the case, it'l go towards new office furniture, speed cams and civil servants.
the climate as swung from hot to cold throughout history, i cant see why today it should be classed as any significantly different and worrying. this is where our own advancements in knowledge come to bite us in the butt. we understand more about whats happening in our world and are taking an interest in it.
100's of years ago, no one will of cared, they'll of just been glad for the sunny weather.
hahah...i sound like a creationist is pretty funny. I am just talking scientific fact. I am not making anything up. did you even watch the show?
dug777
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did you even read the IPCC report conclusions?
I think you'll find its 'scientific conclusion' is exactly that, climate change has been accelerated by human greenhouse gas emissionsl, with a 90% certainty, and that 90% takes into account the research you are talking about.
Originally posted by: dug777
did you even read the IPCC report conclusions?
I think you'll find its 'scientific conclusion' is exactly that, climate change has been accelerated by human greenhouse gas emissionsl, with a 90% certainty, and that 90% takes into account the research you are talking about.
not even everyone in the IPCC agrees...there are members of the IPCC on that show that disagree with the report
again, I don't care that people believe global warming, because it will be better to stop pollution and such for many reasons, but I just find it funny sometimes as a lot of the scientific data shows otherwise.
dug777
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Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
Originally posted by: dug777
did you even read the IPCC report conclusions?
I think you'll find its 'scientific conclusion' is exactly that, climate change has been accelerated by human greenhouse gas emissionsl, with a 90% certainty, and that 90% takes into account the research you are talking about.
not even everyone in the IPCC agrees...there are members of the IPCC on that show that disagree with the report
That's what i said.
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
Originally posted by: dug777
did you even read the IPCC report conclusions?
I think you'll find its 'scientific conclusion' is exactly that, climate change has been accelerated by human greenhouse gas emissionsl, with a 90% certainty, and that 90% takes into account the research you are talking about.
not even everyone in the IPCC agrees...there are members of the IPCC on that show that disagree with the report
That's what i said.
sorry i added the last bit after u responded... I hate arguing this because it is probably better that people believe in global warming, because people waste way too much and use too much gas, etc... I totally agree with that and if it takes this belief to stop people i guess its good.
But for me personally I like looking at all the data, I try and be as environmentally friendly as I can be, but not because of global warming
dug777
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Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
Originally posted by: dug777
did you even read the IPCC report conclusions?
I think you'll find its 'scientific conclusion' is exactly that, climate change has been accelerated by human greenhouse gas emissionsl, with a 90% certainty, and that 90% takes into account the research you are talking about.
not even everyone in the IPCC agrees...there are members of the IPCC on that show that disagree with the report
That's what i said.
sorry i added the last bit after u responded... I hate arguing this because it is probably better that people believe in global warming, because people waste way too much and use too much gas, etc... I totally agree with that and if it takes this belief to stop people i guess its good.
But for me personally I like looking at all the data, I try and be as environmentally friendly as I can be, but not because of global warming
:thumbsup:
Yawn.... another propaganda video supported by psuedo-evidence and statements from a small group of "scientists". Nevermind the mountains of evidence to the contrary, the scores of scientific associations and groups of people that actually study the environment, lets go with a propaganda film instead. :roll:
lol so they have done a little bit of a borat and filmed them without telling them the real reasons behind the filming.
obviously you wouldnt be happy that you have been duped, but.... fo you think if they knew the title they would of said something different? afterall the guys in the film mention numerous times about being ostrasized etc for pointing out other GW theories....C4 has got them to do just that and packaged it in such a way that it looks like they really mean business.
while i think the film does have a propaganda edge to it. i think it does highlight the complexities of GW very well.
while i am not denying GW is happening, nor denyig that we have played a big role in it, i am saying that currently the issue just isnt being explained enough. we get the same "its mans fault" line drummed into us everyday, when in actual fact the problem is way more complex than just being our fault, theres more to it than that and this film shows that very well.
anyway in your link, they then discredit the films points by referencing the ITCC. as far as im concerned the ITCC isnt very reliabe itself.
thats like fighting fire, with fire. one side has an opinion based on assumption, then the other side try to discredit that opinion by posting their opinions which are based on assumptions....theres no 100% concrete proof from eitherside.
obviously you wouldnt be happy that you have been duped, but.... fo you think if they knew the title they would of said something different? afterall the guys in the film mention numerous times about being ostrasized etc for pointing out other GW theories....C4 has got them to do just that and packaged it in such a way that it looks like they really mean business.
while i think the film does have a propaganda edge to it. i think it does highlight the complexities of GW very well.
while i am not denying GW is happening, nor denyig that we have played a big role in it, i am saying that currently the issue just isnt being explained enough. we get the same "its mans fault" line drummed into us everyday, when in actual fact the problem is way more complex than just being our fault, theres more to it than that and this film shows that very well.
anyway in your link, they then discredit the films points by referencing the ITCC. as far as im concerned the ITCC isnt very reliabe itself.
thats like fighting fire, with fire. one side has an opinion based on assumption, then the other side try to discredit that opinion by posting their opinions which are based on assumptions....theres no 100% concrete proof from eitherside.
Actually obviously the best course would be to drive more SUV's to promote a cooling effect to counteract the sun melting us according to the video.
So all you SUV haters are wrong and SUV drivers are heroes for the planet.
Kind of telling when they have to selectively quote and manipulate to make their point.
If the science on the skeptic side was so robust, they shouldn't have a problem getting people on camera to explain it without trickery.
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