The Great Global Warming Swindle

Flyback

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There has been a tonne of global warming threads here lately. While they have lots of people posting with positions, I didn't really "learn" anything from them. I went out and sought some videos to learn more about it and this is one that I found on google videos.

The Great Global Warming Swindle

A great little piece of work. 1 hr, 15 mins.

The premise of the video is that global warming is real but that it isn't man-made. It goes on to explore how evidence suggests that the activities of the Sun are what controls the earth's rising temperature.

The documentary shows that the temperature went up significantly up to 1940 while human-generated carbon dioxide was actually low (relative to the post-war boom). And that during the post-war economic boom the temperature actually fell for 35 years while carbon dioxide rose (1940->1975).

Also investigates the actual atmospheric evidence that while greenhouse warming model should produce more warming in the middle of the troposphere (altitude of 10km), the evidence shows the warming that has occurred is on the surface (satellite and weather balloon data shows that surface temperatures are warming more than upper air temperatures). This means that the warming is unlikely to be caused by greenhouse gases.

The video charges that higher temperatures cause higher levels of co2 in the atmosphere rather than the other way around (ala the human-driven global warming phenomenon).

Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace explains that to remain confrontational and anti-establishment they adopted more extreme positions. Environmental extremism emerged when communism failed and the Berlin Wall fell while people moved into the environmental movement to "...use green language in a very clever way to cloak agendas that actually have more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than they do with anything ecology or science." Another of the interviewed states that the failure of socialism and communism required them to find a "new guise for anti-capitalism".

Finally it goes on to explore how the large amounts of money have distorted the scientific approach and the IPCC is a largely bully organization that is corrupt in many ways (explored in the video--watch and find out all the bits).

It contains interviews from some scientists from recognized institutes (MIT, NASA to name a few) and shows some evidence from Harvard astrophysicists.

I thought the video was very interesting and at least worth watching. (I'm going to try and watch the alternative view--Gore's movie, next. Tried once but I fell asleep about 10 minutes into it :p)
 

misle

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I watched it. Very interesting. It's nice to hear scientists talk about global warming and not yesterday's politicians.
 

Flyback

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Originally posted by: misle
I watched it. Very interesting. It's nice to hear scientists talk about global warming and not yesterday's politicians.

That was fast! :eek:
 
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Your right ... we aer better off assuming it's not real.

As far as I am concerned, the only risk to renewable eenrgy is the risk of loosing various industries that depend on things like oil. The thing is, new industries will be born.
 

IGBT

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..swindle..grift and a scam on a global scale driven by the manic neolib quest for co2 taxes and emissions credits and the big government programs that will go along with it. So who do ya think will be the first co2 czar??
 

WHAMPOM

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Does it also discus Solar Diming? If not they are only showing you half the facts.
Yu's been Paw'd, Boy!
 
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Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: misle
I watched it. Very interesting. It's nice to hear scientists talk about global warming and not yesterday's politicians.

That was fast! :eek:

Whos to say this video is not simply anti-greenpeace? Why is it that a vasst majority of scientists 999%) think the rise in CO2 and global warming are correlated.

True ..... as the ice cap melts, ore CO2 is introducedinto the air. Can't argue with that. Wait till the methane deposits start escaping.... then you'll have somethign to really worry about.
 

misle

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Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: misle
I watched it. Very interesting. It's nice to hear scientists talk about global warming and not yesterday's politicians.

That was fast! :eek:

:eek: Yeah, yeah. So, I guess that is grammatically incorrect? I knew I should have paid attention in language arts...

I saw it over the weekend. They make some good arguments that seem to be more plausible than current arguments on the issue (IMO). Watch it for yourself and see what you think.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: IGBT
..swindle..grift and a scam on a global scale driven by the manic neolib quest for co2 taxes and emissions credits and the big government programs that will go along with it. So who do ya think will be the first co2 czar??

or a clever scheme by the EU to both modernize eastern europe and benefit western europe at the same time
 

misle

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: misle
I watched it. Very interesting. It's nice to hear scientists talk about global warming and not yesterday's politicians.

That was fast! :eek:

Whos to say this video is not simply anti-greenpeace? Why is it that a vasst majority of scientists 999%) think the rise in CO2 and global warming are correlated.

True ..... as the ice cap melts, ore CO2 is introducedinto the air. Can't argue with that. Wait till the methane deposits start escaping.... then you'll have somethign to really worry about.

The show does point out the CO2 / Global warming correlation, but it's the other way around. CO2 rises because of Warming, that is their argument and it is supported by some pretty interesting data.
 

3NF

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Whether it's man made or not, the fact that we pump a lot of crap and CO2 into the air is probably not a good thing.
 

Flyback

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


Whos to say this video is not simply anti-greenpeace? Why is it that a vasst majority of scientists 999%) think the rise in CO2 and global warming are correlated.

True ..... as the ice cap melts, ore CO2 is introducedinto the air. Can't argue with that. Wait till the methane deposits start escaping.... then you'll have somethign to really worry about.

Watch the video and find out. The IPCC--the organization that the UN founded and which produces much of the man-made global warming "research"--actually adds scientists names to their work who are in OPPOSITION to what they claim. One of the scientists interviewed said he had to use the threat of suing them before his name was removed from a body of work!

The IPCC, aka the "large majority of scientists" parades around with some thousands of scientists they list who "support" the organization, when, in fact, the documentary contends that many aren't even scientists but simply lab techs and other people who have little-to-no scientific background.

I thought that part was interesting at least. I'm not saying the documentary is gospel but it is worth watching to see another side to the argument.
 

hjo3

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Your right ... we aer better off assuming it's not real.

As far as I am concerned, the only risk to renewable eenrgy is the risk of loosing various industries that depend on things like oil. The thing is, new industries will be born.
You're, are, energy, losing.
 

Flyback

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Wow, you trusted a video called "The Great Global Warming Swindle"?

If it has some important (learned) people in it from top institutes? Absolutely.
 

Flyback

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Originally posted by: eits
omg i just watched the first minute of the movie and it already made me crack up.

i've got to watch this... :) i'm in the mood for a good comedy flick.

:roll: at least you came to it with an open mind, right? cool.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: eits
omg i just watched the first minute of the movie and it already made me crack up.

i've got to watch this... :) i'm in the mood for a good comedy flick.

:roll: at least you came to it with an open mind, right? cool.
well, seeing how no one talked up this movie, it's gonna be hard for me to NOT have an open mind about it. usually, whenever someone really talks-up a comedy, i go in with the mindset that it'll be awesome, but it ultimately sucks. with this, i had no one talking it up... from what i saw so far, it's sure to be a riot :)

:thumbsup: to op for this find
 

Excelsior

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No matter how one feels about global warming, I think we all agree that less pollution is good. :)
 

hjo3

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Wow, you trusted a video called "The Great Global Warming Swindle"?
You're right, he should have made an ignorant snap judgment based only on the title.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
No matter how one feels about global warming, I think we all agree that less pollution is good. :)
<Stephen Colbert>
Oh please! Smog and soot are good for your lungs. I mean, come on, the Eco-Nazi's are trying to tell us that it's bad that car exhaust contains ozone! Oh right, I'm supposed to believe that the stuff that protects us from UV is bad when it's inhaled? What else are the lefty crazies going to tell us next? That water can in be harmful under the right circumstances? I tell you what that's called: Insanity. And that's The Word, we'll be right back.
</Stephen Colbert>
 

kinev

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Excellent. I was just having this argument with my girlfriend the other night. I cited all the NASA studies showing that MARS is experiencing global warming almost exactly similar to Earth's as proof. She still doesn't believe me.

I'll give this a watch and send her the link, too. Thanks!
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: misle
The show does point out the CO2 / Global warming correlation, but it's the other way around. CO2 rises because of Warming, that is their argument and it is supported by some pretty interesting data.

Ever hear about an autocatalytic process?

Didn't think so.

Yet another horribly slanted global warming video. It's next to impossible to get data that even TRIES to be unbiased anymore.