The Great Flood and Noah's Ark

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

I think you have the wrong impression of the bible - Assigning to it what you THINK it should contain rather than what it does contain.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you even READ the Bible? Parts of it are nothing more than historical records keeping. Just because it's in a book with The Bible on the cover doesn't mean it was conceived, written, printed, and delivered from heaven.

The argument is supposed to be that the Bible is inspired by God, but that doesn't mean talking about the culture of the day (Jewish law on top of Abrahamic covenant, etc) means God is endorsing committing every single act that occurs between the covers. Jesus christ, this thread has taken a MAJOR turn for the stupid.

If someone else manages to get this thread back on topic or washes and rinses the dumbasses out of it, I'm out. I'm all for this type of topical discussion, but I prefer to do it with adults.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

I think you have the wrong impression of the bible - Assigning to it what you THINK it should contain rather than what it does contain.

no, I'm assigning it to contain what most of the population of my country thinks it contains.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you even READ the Bible? Parts of it are nothing more than historical records keeping. Just because it's in a book with The Bible on the cover doesn't mean it was conceived, written, printed, and delivered from heaven.

The argument is supposed to be that the Bible is inspired by God, but that doesn't mean talking about the culture of the day (Jewish law on top of Abrahamic covenant, etc) means God is endorsing committing every single act that occurs between the covers. Jesus christ, this thread has taken a MAJOR turn for the stupid.

If someone else manages to get this thread back on topic or washes and rinses the dumbasses out of it, I'm out. I'm all for this type of topical discussion, but I prefer to do it with adults.

exactly, entirely different context. why don't we clear this up?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

This this and this. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the logistics of this boat are impossible anyways.

No, the logistics of the boat are entirely possible, and it would be very stable in water. The volume of the boat would even allow enough room for all the animals and food that they would need.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faq...noahs-ark.html#fitting

That's a lot of effort to disprove a Bronze-Age Jewish myth.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

This this and this. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the logistics of this boat are impossible anyways.

No, the logistics of the boat are entirely possible, and it would be very stable in water. The volume of the boat would even allow enough room for all the animals and food that they would need.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faq...noahs-ark.html#fitting

That's a lot of effort to disprove a Bronze-Age Jewish myth.

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you even READ the Bible? Parts of it are nothing more than historical records keeping. Just because it's in a book with The Bible on the cover doesn't mean it was conceived, written, printed, and delivered from heaven.

The argument is supposed to be that the Bible is inspired by God, but that doesn't mean talking about the culture of the day (Jewish law on top of Abrahamic covenant, etc) means God is endorsing committing every single act that occurs between the covers. Jesus christ, this thread has taken a MAJOR turn for the stupid.

If someone else manages to get this thread back on topic or washes and rinses the dumbasses out of it, I'm out. I'm all for this type of topical discussion, but I prefer to do it with adults.

exactly, entirely different context. why don't we clear this up?

Without so many derogatory terms, I agree with Nik. You expect something unrealistic.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

I think you have the wrong impression of the bible - Assigning to it what you THINK it should contain rather than what it does contain.

no, I'm assigning it to contain what most of the population of my country thinks it contains.

So now you speak for most of the population? This is not the way to handle business.

If you can't back up your own argument then don't state it.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you even READ the Bible? Parts of it are nothing more than historical records keeping. Just because it's in a book with The Bible on the cover doesn't mean it was conceived, written, printed, and delivered from heaven.

The argument is supposed to be that the Bible is inspired by God, but that doesn't mean talking about the culture of the day (Jewish law on top of Abrahamic covenant, etc) means God is endorsing committing every single act that occurs between the covers. Jesus christ, this thread has taken a MAJOR turn for the stupid.

If someone else manages to get this thread back on topic or washes and rinses the dumbasses out of it, I'm out. I'm all for this type of topical discussion, but I prefer to do it with adults.

exactly, entirely different context. why don't we clear this up?

Without so many derogatory terms, I agree with Nik. You expect something unrealistic.

I expect what most people i come into contact with tell me. Should I expect anything other than what the majority will say?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: gorcorps
I don't think it was a GLOBAL flood, but a massive flood that covered most of the area which could seem like the world for anybody involved. I watched something on Discovery that was talking about it and how certain parts of the bible, including the flood, have been proven geologically. They just weren't as big as let on in the bible.

yeah I saw that too. They pretty much conclusively proved there was a flood. It is just that it was contained to a regional area. Still if that area was what you thought to be the world, then it could have seemed the world flooded.

large floods happen....?


big leap there guys....

There was a large flood at the time when the bible story would have been written . People wrote about what they saw based on the knowledge they had at the time.

No leap needed. Its fact.

Regional = large? lets use more precise terms here.

Yes it does.
The region that it flooded was large to the people of that time .
You really need to quit trolling.

so, trying to get a clearer definition is trolling now, eh? (sounds like brainwashing)

anyways, large to the people of that time is also unclear. regional is unclear, what size area do you mean?

It is trolling when you only make comments to try to get a reaction without adding anything to the discussion.

Like your brainwashing comment ? That was uncalled for and added nothing to the discussion .

If you wanted a clearer definition you could have just asked before instead of making sarcastic remarks like a know it all. Cut off the pc and go get some self esteem rather than trying to get it from trying to appear superior on a internet forum.

If you really care about the topic you are discussing then take a few history classes that study those times. They will explain what was large to the people of that era as well as what regions it covers.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101
When did I say it didn't exist? I meant it condones it. (if not directly, certainly by omission)

This is a false statement.

How so? Where in the bible does it say slavery is bad? And wait, does the bible give the price of a dead slave? why yes... sounds like it condones slavery to me.

Then your ignorance betrays you. The old testament talks about culture and slavory is an example. It wasn't god-given law. The Bible talks about murdering your brother, too. Does that mean it condones it? Don't be stupid. Use your brain.

wait, your arguing it wasn't written by god? that the context is COMPLETELY different. If it was god, than the morals are absolute. If not, then these things like price are NOT absolute, and I have no argument.

I think you have the wrong impression of the bible - Assigning to it what you THINK it should contain rather than what it does contain.

no, I'm assigning it to contain what most of the population of my country thinks it contains.

So now you speak for most of the population? This is not the way to handle business.

If you can't back up your own argument then don't state it.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions


76.5%


backed up statement ftw.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: gorcorps
I don't think it was a GLOBAL flood, but a massive flood that covered most of the area which could seem like the world for anybody involved. I watched something on Discovery that was talking about it and how certain parts of the bible, including the flood, have been proven geologically. They just weren't as big as let on in the bible.

yeah I saw that too. They pretty much conclusively proved there was a flood. It is just that it was contained to a regional area. Still if that area was what you thought to be the world, then it could have seemed the world flooded.

large floods happen....?


big leap there guys....

There was a large flood at the time when the bible story would have been written . People wrote about what they saw based on the knowledge they had at the time.

No leap needed. Its fact.

Regional = large? lets use more precise terms here.

Yes it does.
The region that it flooded was large to the people of that time .
You really need to quit trolling.

so, trying to get a clearer definition is trolling now, eh? (sounds like brainwashing)

anyways, large to the people of that time is also unclear. regional is unclear, what size area do you mean?

It is trolling when you only make comments to try to get a reaction without adding anything to the discussion.

Like your brainwashing comment ? That was uncalled for and added nothing to the discussion .

If you wanted a clearer definition you could have just asked before instead of making sarcastic remarks like a know it all. Cut off the pc and go get some self esteem rather than trying to get it from trying to appear superior on a internet forum.

If you really care about the topic you are discussing then take a few history classes that study those times. They will explain what was large to the people of that era as well as what regions it covers.

yes, beause telling me to take a history class isn't trolling at all. the brainwashing comment is comepletely accurate, not allowingtruth to be brought through, thats brainwashing.


I'm making light of your unwillingness to define regional, because youn know your position would get pwnt if you did.


Now, i need sleep, i can't take this idiocy an longer.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Tweak155
So now you speak for most of the population? This is not the way to handle business.

If you can't back up your own argument then don't state it.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions


76.5%


backed up statement ftw.

You missed the point completely.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

God is so awesome that he doesn't even have to exist in order to influence our lives!

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

God is so awesome that he doesn't even have to exist in order to influence our lives!

I find this funny even though I'm on the other side of the fence.

I just don't see how it is any more logical that the universe created / evolved / came into existence by itself, though.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

God is so awesome that he doesn't even have to exist in order to influence our lives!

I find this funny even though I'm on the other side of the fence.

I just don't see how it is any more logical that the universe created / evolved / came into existence by itself, though.

As if that's more ridiculous than the idea of a god that came into existence by itself.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

God is so awesome that he doesn't even have to exist in order to influence our lives!

John: "If you kiss Hank's ass, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the shit out of you."

Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His ass."

Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."

Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?"

Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

John: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us."

Me: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?"

Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..."

Me: "And has He given you a million dollars?"

John: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town."

Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the shit out of you."

Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?"

John: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

Me: "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

Mary: "Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street."

Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?"

John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"


Read the whole thing: http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

God is so awesome that he doesn't even have to exist in order to influence our lives!

I find this funny even though I'm on the other side of the fence.

I just don't see how it is any more logical that the universe created / evolved / came into existence by itself, though.

As if that's more ridiculous than the idea of a god that came into existence by itself.

It may sound more ridiculous to you.

Either way you look at it, you accept humans (which are intelligent beings) can come into existence by themselves but not a God. Now YOU are the law on what is, and isn't possible?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: KLin
I suppose someone could do a lot of research and find a lot of evidence that suggest the event did take place.

Please be my guest.

Just as soon as you show your evidence that the event didn't take place.

right after you show me the evidence that there isn't an invisible unicorn in my backyard

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

God is so awesome that he doesn't even have to exist in order to influence our lives!

I find this funny even though I'm on the other side of the fence.

I just don't see how it is any more logical that the universe created / evolved / came into existence by itself, though.

As if that's more ridiculous than the idea of a god that came into existence by itself.

It may sound more ridiculous to you.

Either way you look at it, you accept humans (which are intelligent beings) can come into existence by themselves but not a God. Now YOU are the law on what is, and isn't possible?

How do you define "intelligent being"?

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

This.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: bdude

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: videogames101

yeah, imagine how hard it is to disprove an omniscient omnipotent being... :roll:

So powerful that he created himself!

God is so awesome that he doesn't even have to exist in order to influence our lives!

I find this funny even though I'm on the other side of the fence.

I just don't see how it is any more logical that the universe created / evolved / came into existence by itself, though.

As if that's more ridiculous than the idea of a god that came into existence by itself.

It may sound more ridiculous to you.

Either way you look at it, you accept humans (which are intelligent beings) can come into existence by themselves but not a God. Now YOU are the law on what is, and isn't possible?

How do you define "intelligent being"?

With dictionary

Joking aside, you could disagree on the definition. In that event, I will just say humans.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: irishScott
I believe it's a possible interpretation of a large-scale natural disaster. Maybe an insane class 10 hurricane or something.

there had to be something, as just about every culture has a similar story about a huge flood. it's not like there was internet back or, or even the people traveling to see others. If 10 different groups of people on 10 different spots around the world who have never had any contact with the other 9 tel the same story, there has to be some truth to it.

proof of common flood myth?

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: irishScott
I believe it's a possible interpretation of a large-scale natural disaster. Maybe an insane class 10 hurricane or something.

there had to be something, as just about every culture has a similar story about a huge flood. it's not like there was internet back or, or even the people traveling to see others. If 10 different groups of people on 10 different spots around the world who have never had any contact with the other 9 tel the same story, there has to be some truth to it.

proof of common flood myth?

Your joking right? Go do some research, the story is common to the bible, to Indian beliefs, etc. I posted links on the most likely current explanation, but it got lost in all of the religious BS

" In Europe, there are Greek, Germanic, and Irish versions of the tale; there are


Sumerian, Hebrew, and Babylonian renditions in the Middle East; the Americas are home to Aztec, Hopi, Incan, and Mayan interpretations; there are Indian, Chinese, and Indonesian versions in the East; and Australian Aboriginal and Polynesian adaptations come out of the Pacific region ("Flood (mythology)"). In particular, the Epic of Gilgamesh from Sumeria, the ancient Greek story of Zeus's flood, and the Judeo-Christian story of Noah and the flood are three of the most prominent versions of the myth that we have record of today.

In the Sumerian flood myth, as explained in the eleventh tablet of The Epic of Gligamesh, Enlil, the god of the sky and the air is upset by the cacophony of noise that humans are making on earth and decides to wash them all away with a massive flood. The water god, Ea, or Enki, then indirectly advises Utnapishtim, a righteous king, to build a boat to save his family and a few of each animal. After having drifted on the floodwaters for a week, Utnapishtim sends birds out to search for dry land. When a raven does not return to the ark, Utnapishtim makes a sacrifice to Ea and is granted eternal life at the edge of the earth. (The Epic of Gligamesh; Tablet XI). The idea that it was mankind's excessive noise that caused Enlil to send down his deluge points out that the Sumerians were probably a very peaceful group of people who valued quiet and calm. It is also important that Utnapishtim makes a sacrifice to Ea in that we are shown that he is a thankful, humble man who gives his god, not himself, credit for being saved from the flood."