The Great Flood and Noah's Ark

[Mr. Lennon]

Do you believe that our Earth experienced a great flood on a global scale. Also more specifically, do you believe in the story of Noah's Ark?


If you do a bit of scientific research on the subject, you will find that there is a large amount of evidence that suggests that this event did not take place. What do you think?


Keep in mind The Great Flood = Earth being COMPLETELY DROWNED IN WATER. I'm not talking about small floods which we do have evidence to support.

Food for thought: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

 

[spaceman]

noahs ark was built by ranger boats because they still build em one at a time.
ranger boats.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: spaceman
noahs ark was built by ranger boats because they still build em one at a time.
ranger boats.

ranger boats.

 

[KLin]

I suppose someone could do a lot of research and find a lot of evidence that suggest the event did take place.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: KLin
I suppose someone could do a lot of research and find a lot of evidence that suggest the event did take place.

Please be my guest.

 

[Nik]

There's been several different claims about sneaking into Turkey against the Turkish government's will and finding the Ark. However, each group produces drastically different "pictures" of it.

Whatever.

I don't know and I don't rightly give two shits

 

[Crono]

Yes, I believe in the story of Noah's ark, and a global flood that occurred around 5,000 years ago.
I know current science regarding the matter is to the contrary, but scientific findings always change the previously held views as time moves forward. A lot of the ideas that we hold true today were once thought as foolish, and many ideas that were believed to be true at one point by scientists (ether, anyone?) are now shown to be false.
Interpretation of data is highly dependent on the core beliefs and opinions of those doing the interpreting.

If 20,000 feet of water or more covered the earth at one time, what would the effects on the earth be, due to the massive pressure? What would happen after the water eventually receded? Would it freeze at the poles?

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: KLin
I suppose someone could do a lot of research and find a lot of evidence that suggest the event did take place.

Please be my guest.

Just as soon as you show your evidence that the event didn't take place.

 

[Baked]

Fairy tales. Some people believe in Santa Claus too.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Depends. What do you define a great flood? I'm not going to doubt the fact that there might have been a huge localized flood that lasted for over a month. What I AM going to doubt is that the entire world was flooded causing the mass extinction of everyone but a single family and a pair of every animal on earth who then somehow repopulated the world with a significant amount of incest.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Depends. What do you define a great flood? I'm not going to doubt the fact that there might have been a huge localized flood that lasted for over a month. What I AM going to doubt is that the entire world was flooded causing the mass extinction of everyone but a single family and a pair of every animal on earth who then somehow repopulated the world with a significant amount of incest.

As said in the OP, a great flood on a global scale (whole Earth drowned).

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: Crono
Yes, I believe in the story of Noah's ark, and a global flood that occurred around 5,000 years ago.
I know current science regarding the matter is to the contrary, but scientific findings always change the previously held views as time moves forward. A lot of the ideas that we hold true today were once thought as foolish, and many ideas that were believed to be true at one point by scientists (ether, anyone?) are now shown to be false.
Interpretation of data is highly dependent on the core beliefs and opinions of those doing the interpreting.

If 20,000 feet of water or more covered the earth at one time, what would the effects on the earth be, due to the massive pressure? What would happen after the water eventually receded? Would it freeze at the poles?

Interesting that one would decry science as it is ever changing and self improving, yet cling to stories written in the Bronze Age as undeniable truth.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem.

 

[sandorski]

Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Crono
Yes, I believe in the story of Noah's ark, and a global flood that occurred around 5,000 years ago.
I know current science regarding the matter is to the contrary, but scientific findings always change the previously held views as time moves forward. A lot of the ideas that we hold true today were once thought as foolish, and many ideas that were believed to be true at one point by scientists (ether, anyone?) are now shown to be false.
Interpretation of data is highly dependent on the core beliefs and opinions of those doing the interpreting.

If 20,000 feet of water or more covered the earth at one time, what would the effects on the earth be, due to the massive pressure? What would happen after the water eventually receded? Would it freeze at the poles?

Interesting that one would decry science as it is ever changing and self improving, yet cling to stories written in the Bronze Age as undeniable truth.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem.

If science is ever changing, then that means many things are most definitely wrong right now, and that we will only discover in the future what is correct.

I hold to the absolute truth of the Bible. Not that it is a scientific document, but a self disclosure of God, and a moral guide. All that is contained in the Bible, I hold to be true.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem does not apply, because I am not making mention of how old the Bible is. My argument is not that the Bible is old, and therefore truer, I am saying that science is always changing and therefore you cannot state with certainty that we won't find evidence that a global flood did indeed take place.

 

[EGGO]

According to the Bible, enough water to cover the Earth to a depth of 15 cubits above the tallest mountain (Gen 7:19-20) fell in a time frame of 40 days and 40 nights (Gen 7:4).

To err on the low side, and because that's what the source I am using did too, I will assume that the Israelites had no knowledge of Mount Everest and use the tallest mountain in Palestine, Mount Hermon, which is about 2,814 meters high.

The volume of all that water would be the volume of the Earth covered with that water, minus the volume of the Earth without that extra layer of water.

The Earth is about 6,372,795 meters in radius. So the volume of the Earth is 4/3 * p * R^3. R in this case is 6,372,795 m, so volume is about 1.084123 * 10^21 cubic meters. (Apologies for being kind of confusing with the significant digits.)

The volume of the Earth plus the water is 4/3 * p * (6,372,795m + 2,814m)^3 = 1.085560 * 10^21 cubic meters.

So the water volume was 1.436765 * 10^18 cubic meters.

Skipping to the punchline...

This much water hitting the ground in the timeframe specified leads to a water pressure of about 2,700 psi being applied to the entire Earth's surface every second, for 40 days and 40 nights. To put this in perspective, fire hoses typically operate at 800 psi. The atmosphere is about 14 psi, so this much water is 189 atmospheres worth of pressure.

Every second, of every day, for 40 days.

There was a site I had that talked into specifics about the biology, geology, and physics over it. Discovery Channel also did a good show.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

This this and this. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the logistics of this boat are impossible anyways.

 

[BeauJangles]

No, like most things in the Bible the authors took something real (Black Sea flood) and stretched it into a global tale. I'm sure there were individuals who tried to save animals and whatever, but they didn't build a giant boat and single-handedly save the world's biodiversity.

 

[TehMac]

Its a conspiracy set up by the government to convince us about global warming...right Zepplin? back me up on this, the government did it.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Crono
Yes, I believe in the story of Noah's ark, and a global flood that occurred around 5,000 years ago.
I know current science regarding the matter is to the contrary, but scientific findings always change the previously held views as time moves forward. A lot of the ideas that we hold true today were once thought as foolish, and many ideas that were believed to be true at one point by scientists (ether, anyone?) are now shown to be false.
Interpretation of data is highly dependent on the core beliefs and opinions of those doing the interpreting.

If 20,000 feet of water or more covered the earth at one time, what would the effects on the earth be, due to the massive pressure? What would happen after the water eventually receded? Would it freeze at the poles?

Interesting that one would decry science as it is ever changing and self improving, yet cling to stories written in the Bronze Age as undeniable truth.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem.

If science is ever changing, then that means many things are most definitely wrong right now, and that we will only discover in the future what is correct.

I hold to the absolute truth of the Bible. Not that it is a scientific document, but a self disclosure of God, and a moral guide. All that is contained in the Bible, I hold to be true.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem does not apply, because I am not making mention of how old the Bible is.

You got a couple major errors right there. Errors that blind you to truth.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

This this and this. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the logistics of this boat are impossible anyways.

No, the logistics of the boat are entirely possible, and it would be very stable in water. The volume of the boat would even allow enough room for all the animals and food that they would need.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

This this and this. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the logistics of this boat are impossible anyways.

No, the logistics of the boat are entirely possible, and it would be very stable in water. The volume of the boat would even allow enough room for all the animals and food that they would need.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faq...noahs-ark.html#fitting

 

[frostedflakes]

Voted no on both. Sorry, but I don't believe in fairy tales.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
Voted No on both. However, it might have some truth to it, but certainly nohing like how the Bible describes it. Like already mentioned, probably a Local event, smaller boat, fewer animals, and occuring far before any Known history. I suspect it's more a work of Fiction for teaching a Lesson rather than an actual Legend of some Event.

This this and this. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the logistics of this boat are impossible anyways.

No, the logistics of the boat are entirely possible, and it would be very stable in water. The volume of the boat would even allow enough room for all the animals and food that they would need.

No. It would've caved in on itself.

 

[Anubis]

Many cultures across the world share a "great flood" myth, so i believe something happened at roughly the same tome for the differing cultures to all have a similar story (massive volcanic eruption, asteroid impact, earthquake....)

But no I don?t believe some dude got 2 of every animal in a boat and boated around for a month.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Its a conspiracy set up by the government to convince us about global warming...right Zepplin? back me up on this, the government did it.