The GPU Vendor Bias Admission Thread

[desprado]

It's changing everywhere, in all the forums where I post.

If AMDs Polaris performs well, expect to see people ditching NVIDIA. They've burned far too many bridges.

I for one welcome open standards becoming the predominant ideology. This will push innovation forward and every consumer will benefit from that.

Yes it has change though. In 2014 it was AMD was above 30% and nvidia was less then 70%. However, now Nvidia has 80% and AMD has 20% yes definitely a big improvement for AMD.

 

[Mahigan]

Yes it has change though. In 2014 it was AMD was above 30% and nvidia was less then 70%. However, now Nvidia has 80% and AMD has 20% yes definitely a big improvement for AMD.

Mindshare my friend, mindshare. You'll see

 

[desprado]

edited.

 

[Silverforce11]

You are right that AMD has improved that why you see 4:1 split. A very effort of AMD and AC factor played a big roll in it because now new or recent games support AC is giving AMD 30% advantage over all games.

Only when they use AC.

GoW is a prime example why AMD can't count on DX12 running well on their GPUs, Xbone has SSAO + AC, PC port nope, that's gone, erased, replaced with NV HBAO+... which I bet since only NV can write the code for that library, any guesses if they would write it to take advantage of DX12 AC?!

But yeah, there's definitely backlash against GameWorks. You just need to watch any official NV youtube vid on their channel with GW in it, the comments are hilarious.

For a healthy competition, hopefully Polaris isn't a dud.

 

[thilanliyan]

I have switched back and forth over the years but have stuck with AMD recently as they are better at mining.

 

[parvadomus]

I think Nvidia is destroying the gaming industry with their software ecosystem. They are killing games just to put in best light their inferior architectures.
If games were actually programmed for maximum performance and best practices, every actual game would run 60fps on old harware like 7870s/670s, at 1440p.
Believe me, graphics are not progressing, and performance is always worse, just to continue selling more powerfull hardware.

 

[n0x1ous]

I lean green slightly due to (IMO) better software support and features (adaptive vsync, custom rez, day one sli etc) and I voted that way, but I'll buy either or both depending on what suits my fancy. Im like Moonbogg in a way, in that I let it become emotional at times. I like how Nvidia always builds the biggest chip possible on a given node and does everything possible to keep the crown. I think RTG under Raja is becoming more aggressive in that way and look forward to both companies products in the years ahead.

 

[desprado]

I think Nvidia is destroying the gaming industry with their software ecosystem. They are killing games just to put in best light their inferior architectures.
If games were actually programmed for maximum performance and best practices, every actual game would run 60fps on old harware like 7870s/670s, at 1440p.
Believe me, graphics are not progressing, and performance is always worse, just to continue selling more powerfull hardware.

Yes nvidia is to be blamed for making PS4 and Xbox One and getting console ports out of them.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

Whatever is the better deal at my price point.

THUNDERDOME! Two vendors enter, one vendor leaves.

Number one philosophy concerning PC:

 

[sm625]

Barring any serious driver issues, the product with the best fps / dollar wins. FPS / watt is also a consideration, but only secondary. As long as the two year TCO is still lower then fps / watt doesnt matter.

 

[MrTeal]

What's a bit shocking is how few are "unbiased" (currently 21|6|15). This place is getting as extreme as American politics. Says something to people coming here trying to get unbiased advice on what is the best video card for there needs.

Really, the OP and poll questions don't match the thread title. I took it in the spirit of what brand do you prefer, and in that case the high number of "unbiased" people is the most surprising part. I would think the vast majority of people have a brand preference, if even a small one. I prefer AMD, so while I'm not opposed to nVidia and haven't had a bad experience with them for the few mobile parts I've used it would take a pretty clear win to get me to switch. It wouldn't keep me from recommending an nVidia part to someone else though.

Bias implies a reinterpretation of the truth to suit ones own viewpoint. While that certainly happens and is already evident in this thread, I would say most people here are relatively unbiased and will give good advice to someone looking for some information. They just get often drowned out by a few people shouting at each other.

 

[Face2Face]

Whoever has the best performing card in the $300-$400 will be earning my money - I don't care about brand.

 

[tential]

What's a bit shocking is how few are "unbiased" (currently 21|6|15). This place is getting as extreme as American politics. Says something to people coming here trying to get unbiased advice on what is the best video card for there needs.

I don't think people realize they're biased at all. I think people recommend based on how they game or believe people game.

1. Generally I see recommendations that don't take into account VSR/DSR (I see so few people use this and I don't know why).
2. Recommendations that don't take into account when a user actually buys games (Launch date vs 3 months later)
3. Recommendations that don't take into account monitor/purchasing a new/compliant Gsync/Freesync monitor (980Ti 1440p with no Gsync or a 980 with Gsync? Which is smoother? A test should be done but you get the point, Gsysnc/Freesync is CRUCIAL to a good gaming experience. If you're getting a new monitor AND gpu, that COMPLETELY changes recommendations).
4. Recommendations that don't take into account how often a user upgrades.
5. Recommendations that don't take into account whether a user sells their GPUs.
etc.

With so many unknowns, it's clear of course people have bias because they fill in the blanks instead of asking more questions.

 

[parvadomus]

Yes nvidia is to be blamed for making PS4 and Xbox One and getting console ports out of them.

Idk, but to take some of them and put GameWorks BS over the code, for sure.

 

[crashtech]

Really, the OP and poll questions don't match the thread title. I took it in the spirit of what brand do you prefer, and in that case the high number of "unbiased" people is the most surprising part. I would think the vast majority of people have a brand preference, if even a small one. I prefer AMD, so while I'm not opposed to nVidia and haven't had a bad experience with them for the few mobile parts I've used it would take a pretty clear win to get me to switch. It wouldn't keep me from recommending an nVidia part to someone else though.

Bias implies a reinterpretation of the truth to suit ones own viewpoint. While that certainly happens and is already evident in this thread, I would say most people here are relatively unbiased and will give good advice to someone looking for some information. They just get often drowned out by a few people shouting at each other.

I agree with this. My preference is pretty slim and just based on my own experiences from having both brands. But it wouldn't stop me from recommending an Nvidia card if it made sense for the use case.

 

[tential]

I agree with this. My preference is pretty slim and just based on my own experiences from having both brands. But it wouldn't stop me from recommending an Nvidia card if it made sense for the use case.

THere are TONS of use cases that directly corner you into Nvidia or AMD.

It's such a simple flow chart really someone should just write one out.

I'm cornered into AMD products currently based on my gaming habits/tastes.
Other users are cornered into Nvidia products.

I'd say though that most users are in the wrong freaking corner and are thus getting horrible value for their money.

Example would be like getting a R9 390x now and gaming on a 1080p TN monitor. When you could get a R9 390 + cheap Freesync monitor and vastly improve your experience.

In this example it's not even a brand bias, it's just not utilizing the money as efficiently as possible to improve your gaming experience.

That's really the problem here. People's brand bias hurts them from utilizing their money as efficiently as possible to further their goal.
Lack of knowledge of how technologies like VSR/DSR/Freesync/Gsync/etc. also hurts them.

 

[desprado]

THere are TONS of use cases that directly corner you into Nvidia or AMD.

It's such a simple flow chart really someone should just write one out.

I'm cornered into AMD products currently based on my gaming habits/tastes.
Other users are cornered into Nvidia products.

I'd say though that most users are in the wrong freaking corner and are thus getting horrible value for their money.

Example would be like getting a R9 390x now and gaming on a 1080p TN monitor. When you could get a R9 390 + cheap Freesync monitor and vastly improve your experience.

In this example it's not even a brand bias, it's just not utilizing the money as efficiently as possible to improve your gaming experience.

That's really the problem here. People's brand bias hurts them from utilizing their money as efficiently as possible to further their goal.
Lack of knowledge of how technologies like VSR/DSR/Freesync/Gsync/etc. also hurts them.

I agree though that R9 390 is a amazing card for 1080p but for Freesync i do not think so because now a days R9 390 on new games barely keeps 60fps on 1080p at max out.

 

[Dribble]

I agree though that R9 390 is a amazing card for 1080p but for Freesync i do not think so because now a days R9 390 on new games barely keeps 60fps on 1080p at max out.

So the whole point of freesync is that if the card can't manage 60fps you get a better gaming experience ... if the card does a steady 120fps you don't need it.

 

[Leadbox]

These forums are not as pro AMD as those numbers suggest, what gives?

 

[showb1z]

Really, the OP and poll questions don't match the thread title. I took it in the spirit of what brand do you prefer, and in that case the high number of "unbiased" people is the most surprising part. I would think the vast majority of people have a brand preference, if even a small one. I prefer AMD, so while I'm not opposed to nVidia and haven't had a bad experience with them for the few mobile parts I've used it would take a pretty clear win to get me to switch. It wouldn't keep me from recommending an nVidia part to someone else though.

Bias implies a reinterpretation of the truth to suit ones own viewpoint. While that certainly happens and is already evident in this thread, I would say most people here are relatively unbiased and will give good advice to someone looking for some information. They just get often drowned out by a few people shouting at each other.

Yea, I agree about the wording of this topic. I don't consider myself biased. I've bought more NV GPU's over the years. I will always buy what gives me the best performance in the $300-400 range.
However if perf/$ is a toss up I prefer AMD right now. Because I didn't enjoy getting lied to over the 970, I dislike GW and I sure as hell don't look forward to a monopoly in the dGPU market like some of the nutjobs around here seem to hope for. Freesync being considerably cheaper than Gsync also played into my current preference.
As long as you have rational reasons to prefer one's current offering over the other it's not bias.

 

[96Firebird]

These forums are not as pro AMD as those numbers suggest, what gives?

I disagree.

 

[Leadbox]

I disagree.

I bet you do!

 

[Worthington]

I'm not a huge fan of AMD, so that forces me to be somewhat "pro nvidia". Every time I've used an AMD card it's been more hassle than it's worth (granted it's been a while). I generally have zero issues with Nvidia, at least for my use.

If there were more than 2 vendors (cough Matrox, S3) I'd definitely consider them as well.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

These forums are not as pro AMD as those numbers suggest, what gives?

I disagree.

"Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent."

- Kanye West oops, Napoleon Bonaparte

 

[96Firebird]

I bet you do!

Case in point.