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FuzzyBee

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Uh, yes, they were oversights, in the sense that I wasn't completely comprehensive. "Dirty" is another big one, "cheerful Sambo," "Mammy." You can absolutely be racist against right-leaning black people. I don't understand how you think I suggested otherwise.
I don't know how I could have come to that conclusion, since you started off with "long-standing stereotypes and archetypes for black people", and then proceeded to only list examples (however extracted they may be) that look negative towards right-leaning people.
 

berzerker60

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That might have something to do with it being pretty rare (but certainly does happen) that a liberal/progressive uses racist stereotyping for political purposes...

Unless you want to show some racist attacks on Hermann Cain from Democrats? They certainly might have happened, but I didn't see them. Or against Scalia?

That's just today, of course. Eugenics and scientific racism were very deeply connected to the early 20th century progressive movement. There are historical lineages between that movement and 'progressives' today, though somewhat weak ones because of the distance in time (a century or so). Racism is certainly not fundamentally a "conservative" thing, but we have been moving away from institutionalized and socially acceptable racism as a society, so sticking to that framework is becoming 'conservative' by definition, and I don't think anyone would seriously dispute that most KKK types would vote Republican before Democrat, even though just as obviously most Republicans aren't KKK members.
 
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davmat787

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The whole idea is to make the 'black guy' look 'foreign' and 'unamerican'. It's disgusting race baiting. Oh and look at the disgusting and dishonest commercial romney put out about welfare and the work requirement, classic dog whistle politics trying to appeal to racists.
lol. Because Romney's success sure does hinge on wrapping up the racist segment against Obama, their votes sure could go either way. :rolleyes:
 

bononos

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Also: Dwight Eisenhower warning against the military industrial complex.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838

Remember when Republicans were decent human beings? Yeah it's been a while.
And Eisenhower also said that anyone who wanted to do away with social security was plain stupid. A fundamental shift has taken place in American politics and not just with the republicans since both sides are committed to continuing the Reagan revolution.
 

Sonikku

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Just because it didn't happen in Mayberry doesn't mean it didn't happen. People have always had sex, and birth control is a relatively new invention.
The mythical, all-white, 2.5 kids nuclear family 'moral' America you think used to be never existed. We did used to have people selling off their own children they'd created by raping their slaves, so I guess that's an American tradition we've let slip away from us somehow. We did used to have millions of children working 12+ hour days in textile mills and coal mines rather than go to school, so maybe we're letting that work ethic slip away.

Agreed. Had we hung onto the traditions of the past you can better fucking well believe we would not have seen our jobs move to China. Socialism like minimum wage/child labor laws/overtime ect only serve to put the pinch on our struggling corporations as they move jobs overseas just to stay afloat. If we just brought back the good old days we could undercut China's own work force, make more American jobs AND teach the entitlement generation a thing or two about work ethic. These fucking Liberals that want to extend all manor of specialized skills and college to the next generation are a bunch of fucking snobs. :\
 

FuzzyBee

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That might have something to do with it being pretty rare (but certainly does happen) that a liberal/progressive uses racist stereotyping for political purposes...

Unless you want to show some racist attacks on Hermann Cain from Democrats? They certainly might have happened, but I didn't see them. Or against Scalia?
Why would Democrats have concerned themselves with Cain? AFAIK, he's only run for one office, and it was a shirt-lived run at that. I'll trade your Scalia for one Clarence Thomas.
That's just today, of course. Eugenics and scientific racism were very deeply connected to the early 20th century progressive movement. There are historical lineages between that movement and 'progressives' today, though somewhat weak ones because of the distance in time (a century or so).
Ah, I see. A century is enough to wipe away that stain, but 50 years isn't, right?

Racism is certainly not fundamentally a "conservative" thing, but we have been moving away from institutionalized and socially acceptable racism as a society, so sticking to that framework is becoming 'conservative' by definition, and I don't think anyone would seriously dispute that most KKK types would vote Republican before Democrat, even though just as obviously most Republicans aren't KKK members.
Much like I don't think anyone would seriously dispute that most Black Panther types would vote Democrat before Republican, even though just as obviously most Democrats aren't Black Panther members. Of course, in comparison, I don't think we saw reports of KKK members carrying billy clubs outside polling places in '08, did we?
 

nehalem256

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and I don't think anyone would seriously dispute that most KKK types would vote Republican before Democrat, even though just as obviously most Republicans aren't KKK members.
You are free to point out what parts of the 2012 Republican Platform are racist
 

nehalem256

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And Eisenhower also said that anyone who wanted to do away with social security was plain stupid. A fundamental shift has taken place in American politics and not just with the republicans since both sides are committed to continuing the Reagan revolution.
Here is a deal we can have improved unemployment benefits, universal healthcare and protect SS as soon as the Bastard rate drops below 5% and we eliminate no-fault divorce(I believe Gov Reagan signed this into law :D) just like the 1950s.

Its called the social contract which means that obligations flow both ways.
 

bononos

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Here is a deal we can have improved unemployment benefits, universal healthcare and protect SS as soon as the Bastard rate drops below 5% and we eliminate no-fault divorce(I believe Gov Reagan signed this into law :D) just like the 1950s.

Its called the social contract which means that obligations flow both ways.
I don't know what you mean there. By Reagan revolution, I mean a sea change in economic thought in American life and politics.
 

bononos

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Agreed. Had we hung onto the traditions of the past you can better fucking well believe we would not have seen our jobs move to China. Socialism like minimum wage/child labor laws/overtime ect only serve to put the pinch on our struggling corporations as they move jobs overseas just to stay afloat. If we just brought back the good old days we could undercut China's own work force, make more American jobs AND teach the entitlement generation a thing or two about work ethic. These fucking Liberals that want to extend all manor of specialized skills and college to the next generation are a bunch of fucking snobs. :\
What you are saying is totally bizzare. Its socialism and all those 'bad laws' which you listed which are responsible for the good life that wealthy western democracies enjoy. The 'good old days' which you mentioned are anything but the free market. The minimum wage law prevents a race to the bottom which would invariably push young kids to work in order to support their families.
 

berzerker60

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Why would Democrats have concerned themselves with Cain? AFAIK, he's only run for one office, and it was a shirt-lived run at that. I'll trade your Scalia for one Clarence Thomas.
Whoops, yeah, my mistake, I meant Thomas, not Scalia. Do you have any reports of race baiting attacks against Thomas from Democrats?

Ah, I see. A century is enough to wipe away that stain, but 50 years isn't, right?
A century and explicit disavowal, combined with being essentially the party of minorities in America, helps wipe away the stain. If it was 50 years since racism was the Republican policy and they'd been working explicitly against racism since then, it too would look better, but here's the RNC chair in 2005:

"Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
The 90s aren't 50 years ago. Then there's a heavy racist element of the Tea Party protests, which you can see very easily but just looking at the signs that were being carried - try google image searching "Tea Party racism." Obama as a witch doctor, Obama the "Kenyan" and birtherism in general. It's no coincidence that 90% of GOP voters in 2008 were white, which matches every other election for the past 30 years.

Much like I don't think anyone would seriously dispute that most Black Panther types would vote Democrat before Republican, even though just as obviously most Democrats aren't Black Panther members. Of course, in comparison, I don't think we saw reports of KKK members carrying billy clubs outside polling places in '08, did we?
The New Black Panther case was two people at one polling place, one of whom was prosecuted for voter intimidation. Dear Lord, how can white America survive! I'm sure there weren't two random white guys somewhere in the country slinging racial slurs that day.
Those guys were being racist against whites, yes. They weren't being racist against blacks or other ethnic groups, they weren't part of a party's written out, explicit policy of relying on racist hatred of whites to gather votes for decades only 'ending' recently. If you could show coded racism against whites by Democratic candidates/leaders in the modern era, even, I guess you'd have some kind of weak equivalency (but still not much of one since racism against blacks has a history of lynchings and church bombings that makes it inherently worse), but this started with you bitching that I wasn't showing enough examples of racism against black right-wingers, and I asked you to show me some real life cases. I still don't see those.
 

Lithium381

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The whole idea is to make the 'black guy' look 'foreign' and 'unamerican'. It's disgusting race baiting. Oh and look at the disgusting and dishonest commercial romney put out about welfare and the work requirement, classic dog whistle politics trying to appeal to racists.
uh i was under the impression more white people are on welfare than blacks . . but then again i wasn't trying to make it an issue. .
dems are almost always the first to bring race into the equation. look our first black president!!!! um, why can't he just be our president? look, our first latino key note speaker!!!!!! um, he's a keynote speaker. .
 
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Here is a deal we can have improved unemployment benefits, universal healthcare and protect SS as soon as the Bastard rate drops below 5% and we eliminate no-fault divorce(I believe Gov Reagan signed this into law :D) just like the 1950s.

Its called the social contract which means that obligations flow both ways.
Completely agree on the bastard rate needing to drop. One of the big problems we have is women popping out babies just for welfare and since the government takes care of them there is no need to close there legs
 

zinfamous

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I remember when Dems were Klan members.
yep. that was when upstanding Dems like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms represented the central authority of democratic party....
o_O

Yeah, I also bet you consider Abraham Lincoln a republican, right? :D
 

zinfamous

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Completely agree on the bastard rate needing to drop. One of the big problems we have is women popping out babies just for welfare and since the government takes care of them there is no need to close there legs
too bad a major political party wants to remove the abortion option under all circumstances.

of course, they also don't want to pay for or deal with the adoptions that they demand of these women.

ho-hum.

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too bad a major political party wants to remove the abortion option under all circumstances.

of course, they also don't want to pay for or deal with the adoptions that they demand of these women.

ho-hum.

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Because we must defend life, life is precious.

How about people realize that actions have consequences and try to use there brain a little more often
 

nehalem256

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too bad a major political party wants to remove the abortion option under all circumstances.

of course, they also don't want to pay for or deal with the adoptions that they demand of these women.

ho-hum.

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Fact: Without modern contraceptive technology, and with abortion illegal, the bastard rate was 1/10 of what is today.
 

bononos

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You do realize that Reagan was not president until 1981 right?

Are you claiming that Reagan is some sort of wizard? o_O
The wheels were already starting to fall apart during the 1960s/70s. Reagan's term is just a popular place to pinpoint a socio-economic trend since he was unabashedly pro-market although he was alot more pragmatic in practise (as were all other western countries during this period).
 
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Fact: Without modern contraceptive technology, and with abortion illegal, the bastard rate was 1/10 of what is today.
Well said, We need much less bastards, too many of these pathetic excuses for human beings go on to commit crime and kill others and end up in jail. They cost far too much for us
 

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