The GOP is wasting no time before resorting to gridlock

[Lemon law]

Mitch McConnell doubts the stimulus bill will pass the Senate, while trying to pretend
he and the rest of the GOP will have no impact on that potential failure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...o_co/congress_stimulus

After spending the last two years in setting a new world record on the use of the Senate Filibuster, it looks like the GOP is going for an instant replay for the next four years.

Especially given the fact that the dems went along with a Paulson written bigger tarp bailout that has proven a poorly conceived largely GOP brainfart, I shudder to think of what will happen to the American economy now if some comprehensive programs are not swiftly enacted?

This basically democratic program is what GOP and Democratic State governors are also begging for now now now, and if the aid does not hit the streets very soon in terms of programs to create employment, existing laying will turn from a trickle to a flood, taking the whole economy down with it.

Already unsold inventory is piling up, and if we follow with the republican plan of more tax cuts, the American consumer is more likely to keep it rather than spend it.

Mitch McConnell fiddles while America burns.

 

[Mani]

And you'd think after running this country into the ground over the last 8 years, the republicans would learn that their one-issue approach to the economy sucks. The sad thing is, all of this is political posturing so that they can try to look like the saviors against spending when in fact they look like an obstructionist bunch of whining babies.

 

[Slew Foot]

Most of this bailout doesnt even spend any money for years. It's not a bailout to create jobs, its the worlds biggest pork handout.

 

[sandorski]

Just give them the Finger and tell them to, "Consult this!"

 

[quest55720]

Good it is about time the republican party gets some balls and fiscal responsibility. This stimulus bill is nothing but pork and social wish list items of the democratic party. Now if they want to get rid of the pork and replace it with real infrastructure spending then I will support it. I will do a dance of joy if the republicans kill porkulus.

 

[ProfJohn]

According to the Wall Street Journal only about 12% of the spending is on things that will actually stimulate the economy.

This bill is just hands out given away by the Democrats to their loyal supporters.

Also, the Democrats did not even TRY to get Republicans involved in the bill, so you can blame grid lock on them as well, if not more.

 

[Lemon law]

The GOP goes against all economic theory in wisdom regarding tax cuts. When times are bad, and they are now very bad, largely due to failed GOP policies, the Government should expand activity and maybe grant tax cuts to build the economy, when times are good, the government should contract, and raise taxes to repay the money it borrowed during bad times.

And instead the GOP answer is permanent tax cuts for good times and bad, while always borrowing ever more money to throw down ratholes that do not benefit anyone.

Bad GOP economics that has come back to bite us while the GOP has killed the middle class in favor of only the very rich.

Remember when we had a budget surplus nine years ago?

 

[Ozoned]

8 years ago, checks and balances were considered a good thing.:fukingdramaqueen;

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The GOP goes against all economic theory in wisdom regarding tax cuts. When times are bad, and they are now very bad, largely due to failed GOP policies, the Government should expand activity and maybe grant tax cuts to build the economy, when times are good, the government should contract, and raise taxes to repay the money it borrowed during bad times.

And instead the GOP answer is permanent tax cuts for good times and bad, while always borrowing ever more money to throw down ratholes that do not benefit anyone.

Bad GOP economics that has come back to bite us while the GOP has killed the middle class in favor of only the very rich.

Remember when we had a budget surplus nine years ago?

Remember 9 years ago both parties were lead by fiscal conservatives. They were replaced with fiscal liberals who spent like drunken sailors.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
According to the Wall Street Journal only about 12% of the spending is on things that will actually stimulate the economy.

This bill is just hands out given away by the Democrats to their loyal supporters.

Also, the Democrats did not even TRY to get Republicans involved in the bill, so you can blame grid lock on them as well, if not more.

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We will indeed see the non Prof John hypothesis tested as the economic stimulus already passed by the house is debated in the Senate.

Will the GOP be amenable to compromise or will they be nothing but selfish crybabies
who demand 100% of their way or the highway.

The American people will be the judge and the verdict may be rendered 11/2010.

Just a reminder that the GOP has lost some 14 Senate seats in the last two election cycles. And the American economy will get far worse in the very near future.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Good stuff. I'm happy the stim .... I mean... pork-u-lus bill is not going to pass.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The GOP goes against all economic theory in wisdom regarding tax cuts. When times are bad, and they are now very bad, largely due to failed GOP policies, the Government should expand activity and maybe grant tax cuts to build the economy, when times are good, the government should contract, and raise taxes to repay the money it borrowed during bad times.

And instead the GOP answer is permanent tax cuts for good times and bad, while always borrowing ever more money to throw down ratholes that do not benefit anyone.

Bad GOP economics that has come back to bite us while the GOP has killed the middle class in favor of only the very rich.

Remember when we had a budget surplus nine years ago?

The real conservative principal should be making government smaller in good times and bad. Sadly, it hasn't really ever been practiced... they just use it as lip service.

And about the "budget-surplus", if you look at the "surplus" during the Clinton years... we were actually running a deficit in all but one year if you take out the social-security surplusses that were being spent.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
According to the Wall Street Journal only about 12% of the spending is on things that will actually stimulate the economy.

This bill is just hands out given away by the Democrats to their loyal supporters.

Also, the Democrats did not even TRY to get Republicans involved in the bill, so you can blame grid lock on them as well, if not more.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We will indeed see the non Prof John hypothesis tested as the economic stimulus already passed by the house is debated in the Senate.

Will the GOP be amenable to compromise or will they be nothing but selfish crybabies
who demand 100% of their way or the highway.

The American people will be the judge and the verdict may be rendered 11/2010.

Just a reminder that the GOP has lost some 14 Senate seats in the last two election cycles. And the American economy will get far worse in the very near future.

If the GOP way is all stimulus and no pork then I am all for it. It is the democratic party who blew this chance. They could of put out a bill that was all stimulus and been heros. Instead they took out stimulus spending then loaded it with pork and social spending. As the public finds out more and more about porkulus they will be against it.

 

[woodie1]

Seems the GOP is representing their constituents for once. If we wanted a one party system more of them would have been removed during the last election. Get over it.

 

[Balt]

Tax cuts alone aren't going to do much. A contractor isn't going to keep an extra employee around just because he gets to save an extra $500 or $1000 on his taxes. A guy who is worried he might lose his job isn't going to go on a spending spree and put his money back into the economy when he gets his tax refund either.

At the moment the only entity with the security to spend money (rather than hide it in their mattress) is the government. Pump some money into the economy and the contractor may have enough work to keep people employed.

The current plan isn't perfect, but if you think we can just nickel and dime our way back to GDP growth with only a short-term stimulus plan I don't think you have an appreciation for the scope of the problem.

 

[trenchfoot]

So when Bush and his rubber-stamping Repub owned Congress had things all their way they decided to get our Nation into this huge deficit spending binge while cutting taxes to "stimulate" the economy, as if the ever leaping deficit they were creating was just a tiny bump in the road toward their big grab at the public coffers. After Bush and pals turned off the lights and handed over the keys all he and cronies left us was two badly run wars, a huge deficit and a ruined economy.

Now, all of a sudden, when they're not in control of busily running our nation even deeper into the abyss, they miraculously find that their sense "fiscal responsibility" and small gov't has returned. How convenient. How arrogant. How shamelessly forgetful of their own record of the past eight years.

They want to convince us that eight more years of their fiscal insanity that brought us to the utter mess we now find ourselves in will make it all better.

Sheeeeeesh.....give it a rest already. This tragic humor play they're now presenting on stage is stifling, tiring and just plain worn out from abuse.

Trust them, they know better. After eight years of all that "stimulating", I'm supposed to believe that. Yeah, OK, Suuuurrre.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Balt
Tax cuts alone aren't going to do much. A contractor isn't going to keep an extra employee around just because he gets to save an extra $500 or $1000 on his taxes. A guy who is worried he might lose his job isn't going to go on a spending spree and put his money back into the economy when he gets his tax refund either.

At the moment the only entity with the security to spend money (rather than hide it in their mattress) is the government. Pump some money into the economy and the contractor may have enough work to keep people employed.

The current plan isn't perfect, but if you think we can just nickel and dime our way back to GDP growth with only a short-term stimulus plan I don't think you have an appreciation for the scope of the problem.

The current plan is complete BS. It was sold as an immediate fix for raods and such, but only 30 bill out of 800 bill is going to be spent on infrastructure, the rest on social programs and handouts.

 

[Lemon law]

Quest55720 comes out with a dubious contention with, "They could of put out a bill that was all stimulus and been heros."

What is pork and what is stimulus is debatable, but all pork is still stimulus if it creates jobs, jobs, and jobs. The long term jobs and future repayment on capital investments are another question. This stimulus bill includes funding to create a better electrical grid and alternate sources of energy, investments that have the potential to pay back for centuries. The GOP has done what in this area?

Years post 2000 to 2006, the GOP had a piss poor understanding of pork? Years post 2006 to 2008, pork decreased. And now the GOP has the unmitigated Gaul to assert it understand the difference between pork and bad investments defies all logic after all their 4 trillion dollars added to the national debt left the entire middle class behind.

Suck it up Quest55720, the American people fired the GOP, and the GOP certainly cannot claim any right to lead, they can claim some right to constructively follow, but they are morally bankrupt fools if they can't get out of the way of progress.

Wow what a term, porkilous, that really adds to the intellectual argument.

And cheer up, only 1/3 of the Senate can be removed in any given 2 year election cycle, at this rate, we will have have only 34 GOP Senators after 11/2010.

 

[compuwiz1]

The GOP is a joke and should learn to cooperate. Doing it their way would be the definition of insanity. Anyone really think letting them have their way with anything is gonna turn out good, especially after they way they fubared this country the past 8 years? Gridlock...what a bunch of little kindergartners.

Republicans have become the exact kind who give out large bonuses during economic crisis, from bailout money. Republicans have become the kind who buy $35,000 comodes and $80,000 persian rugs, during economic crisis. :|

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The GOP is a joke and should learn to cooperate. Doing it their way would be the definition of insanity. Anyone really think letting them have their way with anything is gonna turn out good, especially after they way they fubared this country the past 8 years? Gridlock...what a bunch of little kindergartners.

Republicans have become the exact kind who give out large bonuses during economic crisis, from bailout money. Republicans have become the kind who buy $35,000 comodes and $80,000 persian rugs, during economic crisis. :|

And democrats don't pay taxes until they are vetted right? If the democrats would replace 200 billion of pork and social spending with infrastructure spending the GOP would be forced to pass it. It is the democrats who got greedy and tried to shove near 700 billion of pork and social spending in a stimulus bill.

 

[Jhhnn]

If McConnell & crew want to hold their more moderate repub compatriots' heads down on the chopping block for the next election, there's little that anybody other than those potential victims can do about it.

He's probably just blowing smoke, anyway- it'll only require a few defections for his version of leadership, aka "pandering and misdirection" to be tossed aside... Funny how they're all about fiscal responsibility, now, when they didn't have a clue about it when in the majority...

One man's pork is another man's profit- ask Halliburton, Big Pharma, and a few others about that...

 

[theeedude]

Nuclear Option, NOW!

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Mitch McConnell doubts the stimulus bill will pass the Senate, while trying to pretend
he and the rest of the GOP will have no impact on that potential failure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...o_co/congress_stimulus

After spending the last two years in setting a new world record on the use of the Senate Filibuster, it looks like the GOP is going for an instant replay for the next four years.

Especially given the fact that the dems went along with a Paulson written bigger tarp bailout that has proven a poorly conceived largely GOP brainfart, I shudder to think of what will happen to the American economy now if some comprehensive programs are not swiftly enacted?

This basically democratic program is what GOP and Democratic State governors are also begging for now now now, and if the aid does not hit the streets very soon in terms of programs to create employment, existing laying will turn from a trickle to a flood, taking the whole economy down with it.

Already unsold inventory is piling up, and if we follow with the republican plan of more tax cuts, the American consumer is more likely to keep it rather than spend it.

Mitch McConnell fiddles while America burns.

I wouldn't try that approach just yet. The minority democrats from 2000-2006 were no more friendly.

Karma, my friend.

 

[miketheidiot]

so, anyone have a link to the stimulus bill and its breakdown? I had read that it was mostly 3 things: aid to localities so they don't have to make cuts, more money for unemployment insurance and healthcare for people losing jobs, and infrastructure rebuilding.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Mitch McConnell doubts the stimulus bill will pass the Senate, while trying to pretend
he and the rest of the GOP will have no impact on that potential failure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...o_co/congress_stimulus

After spending the last two years in setting a new world record on the use of the Senate Filibuster, it looks like the GOP is going for an instant replay for the next four years.

Especially given the fact that the dems went along with a Paulson written bigger tarp bailout that has proven a poorly conceived largely GOP brainfart, I shudder to think of what will happen to the American economy now if some comprehensive programs are not swiftly enacted?

This basically democratic program is what GOP and Democratic State governors are also begging for now now now, and if the aid does not hit the streets very soon in terms of programs to create employment, existing laying will turn from a trickle to a flood, taking the whole economy down with it.

Already unsold inventory is piling up, and if we follow with the republican plan of more tax cuts, the American consumer is more likely to keep it rather than spend it.

Mitch McConnell fiddles while America burns.

I wouldn't try that approach just yet. The minority democrats from 2000-2006 were no more friendly.

Karma, my friend.

remember how much republicans cried about filibustering? Maybe this time they will understand it.