The Giants Defense

[dmw16]

Giants Suck!!!


GO EAGLES!!!!!!!!

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Sure.

Colts
Chiefs
Patriots
Vikings
Seahawks
Broncos
Rams
Packers(if favre plays well)
Panthers(if the RB's keep up last year's pace)
Redskins(if they live up to their preseason hype)

There's a few off the top of my head.

You are almost as bad as Carbo when it comes to blind hatred the Eagles

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Sure.

Colts
Chiefs
Patriots
Vikings
Seahawks
Broncos
Rams
Packers(if favre plays well)
Panthers(if the RB's keep up last year's pace)
Redskins(if they live up to their preseason hype)

There's a few off the top of my head.

The only teams that I'd rank with the Eagles offense are the Chiefs, Pats and Vikings. The other teams may have prolific offenses, but they do not have as many weapons as Philly, therefore a decent defense can beat them.

 

[Deeko]

I certainly have blind hatred for the Eagles. Except I have educated blind hatred. I know more about the Eagles than most of their fans.

ThePresence, what about the Colts?? You COULD argue against some of those others...argue taht they are unproven or have certain deficiancies...but the Colts?? First off, they have a receiver just as good, if not better in some ways, than T.O. They also have a healthy Edge. And, the only thing any offense needs....Peyton Manning.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Deeko
Sure.

Colts
Chiefs
Patriots
Vikings
Seahawks
Broncos
Rams
Packers(if favre plays well)
Panthers(if the RB's keep up last year's pace)
Redskins(if they live up to their preseason hype)

There's a few off the top of my head.

You are almost as bad as Carbo when it comes to blind hatred the Eagles

Hey! I hate the Eagles too! :| But I face reality.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I certainly have blind hatred for the Eagles. Except I have educated blind hatred. I know more about the Eagles than most of their fans.

As evidenced by the above post of 10 offenses better than the Eagles?

:roll:

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Sure.

Colts
Chiefs
Patriots
Vikings
Seahawks
Broncos
Rams
Packers(if favre plays well)
Panthers(if the RB's keep up last year's pace)
Redskins(if they live up to their preseason hype)

There's a few off the top of my head.

Colts and Chiefs, yes, definitely.

Patriots, Vikings, and Hawks? They are about equal, except with the Pats it has more to do with their D. You have to be joking about the rest of them. Especially the Panthers and Skins.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I certainly have blind hatred for the Eagles. Except I have educated blind hatred. I know more about the Eagles than most of their fans.

ThePresence, what about the Colts?? You COULD argue against some of those others...argue taht they are unproven or have certain deficiancies...but the Colts?? First off, they have a receiver just as good, if not better in some ways, than T.O. They also have a healthy Edge. And, the only thing any offense needs....Peyton Manning.

You're right. Colts too.
So let's see: Colts, Chiefs, Vikings and maybe the Pats. That is not PLENTY of teams, it's a select few.

 

[Deeko]

I already gave my reasons as to the Eagles offensive problems.

Many Eagles fans that I talk to agree that Westbrook is gonna get hurt. But they say, it doesn't matter, "all Andy Reid does is pass pass pass"...god I'm getting tired of that phrase. McNabb is a great QB...one of the best, no doubt. However, he is NOT the kind of guy that can run a pass only offense. That requires a QB with quicker thinking and the ability to throw accurate, short passes. I would say Tom Brady is the best in the league as that. McNabb loves to run around all day till someone gets open - and he's very good at it. However, for a pass-only offense, that well only work so much. You gotta throw more quick, short passes, which is not McNabb's forte. Don't forget that the Eagles had over 2000 yards rushing last year. If Westbrook gets hurt, the Eagles offense is finished.

 

[Deeko]

Kev - the Panthers and Skins have the CHANCE to be better, hence why they are at the bottom of the list with disclaimers.

Hey, its just my opinion...but I'm not sure if anyone saw the Bronco's offense last night, looked pretty damn efficient. So do the Seahawks. The Rams didn't have a very good game, but if Bulger is on, their offense is near unstoppable.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I already gave my reasons as to the Eagles offensive problems.

Many Eagles fans that I talk to agree that Westbrook is gonna get hurt. But they say, it doesn't matter, "all Andy Reid does is pass pass pass"...god I'm getting tired of that phrase. McNabb is a great QB...one of the best, no doubt. However, he is NOT the kind of guy that can run a pass only offense. That requires a QB with quicker thinking and the ability to throw accurate, short passes. I would say Tom Brady is the best in the league as that. McNabb loves to run around all day till someone gets open - and he's very good at it. However, for a pass-only offense, that well only work so much. You gotta throw more quick, short passes, which is not McNabb's forte. Don't forget that the Eagles had over 2000 yards rushing last year. If Westbrook gets hurt, the Eagles offense is finished.

Did it look like Reid was just passing yesterday? Not to me. Seems like Westbrook had a big game on the ground. They might go to a pass only offense if Westbrook got hurt, BUT I CAN'T ASSUME AN INJURY WILL HAPPEN. It may, but I cant count on that. The best short passer in the NFL IMO is Chad Pennington, but that's arguable.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Kev - the Panthers and Skins have the CHANCE to be better, hence why they are at the bottom of the list with disclaimers.

Hey, its just my opinion...but I'm not sure if anyone saw the Bronco's offense last night, looked pretty damn efficient. So do the Seahawks. The Rams didn't have a very good game, but if Bulger is on, their offense is near unstoppable.

Broncos were playing the Chiefs D, it proves nothing really.
Bulger, like Favre throws too many picks for me to consider his team one of the best offenses.

 

[Deeko]

That's what I mean. They NEED Westbrook. And I'm not the only person who thinks that there's a good chance he will. So we'll see.

 

[Carbo]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Carbo
The bottom line to this thread? That Eagles fans are a very insecure lot. If you are measuring the worth of that team based on bashing the lowly, 4 -12 Giants, you must really need some hand holding this season. Hopefully the Eagles players won't need as much reassurance as you fools do.
The Eagles..........sheesh! Gimme a break! NFL 2004: 11 - 5. Win the division. McNabb crashes and burns in the playoffs, throws his usual critical interception, the finger pointing begins, and the fans behave like animals. Another season, but nothing changes.......

No, the bottom line is this... you're a moron. You said earlier "They just aren't good enough to win a championship. And Andy Reid leaves much to be desired as a head coach. " Based on what? Because they didn't win it the past 3 years? You could say the same for 31 other teams in the league. And your statement about Reid is just flat out dumb. He has the highest winning % over the past 4 years of any head coach, and the way he manages the team with the salary cap, we are set for the future as well. If being "insecure" means refuting your bullsh*t with actual facts, then by all means call us insecure.

And poke at the running defense all you want, but the only reason the Giants even got over 100 yds rushing was because the Eagles had the game in the bank and let that garbage 72 yard run go - they were in a quarter D expecting a pass, oh well, big deal.

Bottom line, if the Eagles stay healthy, no reason they shouldn't be one of the favorites to get to the Super Bowl.

Guess I hit a nerve, huh, Kev? Sorry, but sometimes reality is a smack upside the head.

No, the bottom line is this... you're a moron.

Classic! When all else fails, resort to name calling and personal attacks. You really are an Eagles fan, aren't you!

You said earlier "They just aren't good enough to win a championship. And Andy Reid leaves much to be desired as a head coach. " Based on what? Because they didn't win it the past 3 years?

Uh, yeah....

You could say the same for 31 other teams in the league.

Yes, but this is a thread about the Eagles. If you want/need to compare them to the Cardinals and the Bengals, you're even more insecure than I originally suspected.

And your statement about Reid is just flat out dumb. He has the highest winning % over the past 4 years of any head coach,

And you know Bill Belichick is envious as hell at that winning percentage, too!

If being "insecure" means refuting your bullsh*t with actual facts, then by all means call us insecure.

What facts did you present? That the Eagles haven't won a Super Bowl? We all know that already.

 

[Deeko]

Kev, and the Eagles were playing the Giants D. Also proves nothing. But you can still see the quality of the players.

Bulger is still pretty green. If he matures and fixes his interception problem, their offense is undeniably good. Holt is among the top 5 receivers in the league, Bruce is possibly the best #2 receiver, Faulk is healthy, and now being supplemented by Jackson, who will be a great back(damn you parcells for skipping him...JJ better turn out amazing).

On that note, I'm going to get me an authentic Philly cheesesteak from a lunchcart. Ahh to be a Dallas fan in Philadelphia.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I already gave my reasons as to the Eagles offensive problems.

Many Eagles fans that I talk to agree that Westbrook is gonna get hurt. But they say, it doesn't matter, "all Andy Reid does is pass pass pass"...god I'm getting tired of that phrase. McNabb is a great QB...one of the best, no doubt. However, he is NOT the kind of guy that can run a pass only offense. That requires a QB with quicker thinking and the ability to throw accurate, short passes. I would say Tom Brady is the best in the league as that. McNabb loves to run around all day till someone gets open - and he's very good at it. However, for a pass-only offense, that well only work so much. You gotta throw more quick, short passes, which is not McNabb's forte. Don't forget that the Eagles had over 2000 yards rushing last year. If Westbrook gets hurt, the Eagles offense is finished.

Well a lot of Eagles fans don't know jack, hence the "We want AJ" garbage last year. Westbrook suffered a sprained ankle that put him out for a game or 2 last year I think, and then a freak pulled tricep at the end of the season. That's pretty much it. All RB's are going to take their bumps and bruises, it's the nature of the position.

He's not as injury prone as everyone thinks he is, and he'll prove that this year. Hell, Ricky Williams missed 10 games over the course of his first 2 years, and he's huge. People were worried about Holmes' durability too, somehow he manages.

 

[Kev]

Classic! When all else fails, resort to name calling and personal attacks. You really are an Eagles fan, aren't you!

I believe you were the one who called Eagles fans "fools" and "animals" in your first post.

What facts did you present? That the Eagles haven't won a Super Bowl? We all know that already.

The winning %, the salary cap management. You said they just aren't good and Reid leaves a lot to be desired, and those were the reasons I gave that you were wrong.

I'm not even going to wast time with the rest of the garbage you typed.

 

[Carbo]

You said they just aren't good and Reid leaves a lot to be desired, and those were the reasons I gave that you were wrong.

I said, "Yes, they are SOLID. They just aren't good enough to win a championship. And Andy Reid leaves much to be desired as a head coach." Those are opinions. You countered with your opinions. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your opinions are not facts. And the only fact you gave was that AndyBoy has the best winning percentage over the past four years. Unfortunately, that just supports my opinion: the man can't get this team to the Super Bowl despite having the potential talent to do so.

I'm not even going to wast time with the rest of the garbage you typed.

You mean the garbage about Bill Belichick being envious of Andy's regular season winning percentage? Yeah, I read in the Boston Globe he'd trade his two Super Bowl championships for that record. :roll:

 

[Kev]

Yeah, I countered with my opinions and I use facts to back them up, whereas you didn't. You just spouted off nonsense. Whereas a normal person might think that being the winningest coach over a 4 year span is a positive thing, you do not for some reason. Whatever.

 

[Deeko]

Reid is a very good practice coach. He prepares his team well and definitely promotes the team aspect, which is very important in the NFL. However, he is not the best gameday coach you'll find. I've never been a huge fan of his playcalling. Calling that onside kick against Dallas last year was about the stupidest thing they could have done. Of all the teams in the NFL...they had just done that to Dallas two years prior. Did he honestly think they weren't gonna prepare for it? Terrible idea. His offensive playcalling leaves something to be desired in my book as well.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Deeko
I certainly have blind hatred for the Eagles. Except I have educated blind hatred. I know more about the Eagles than most of their fans.

ThePresence, what about the Colts?? You COULD argue against some of those others...argue taht they are unproven or have certain deficiancies...but the Colts?? First off, they have a receiver just as good, if not better in some ways, than T.O. They also have a healthy Edge. And, the only thing any offense needs....Peyton Manning.

You're right. Colts too.
So let's see: Colts, Chiefs, Vikings and maybe the Pats. That is not PLENTY of teams, it's a select few.

You could argue that McNabb is just as good as Peyton b/c of his scrambling ability, and how hard he is to sack. The wildcard that makes Indy better is easy, VANDERJAGT (from my alma mater I might add, WVU!). He is easily the best kicker in the NFL... Oh and don't be surprised to see TO rack up better numbers than Harrison, and Westbrook better numbers than Edge. Philly is THAT good. You could take any of the teams listed above and it would be a toss up: Chiefs b/c of Gonzalez and Holmes (who is their QB again? *snicker*), Philly b/c of TO/Westbrook/McNabb, Minny because of Daunte/Randy. All these parts are interchangeable.

 

[Deeko]

No one of sound mind would argue McNabb is as good as Peyton. No offense...he's a good QB...but Peyton is much better, regardless of his scrambling ability. He doesn't NEED to scramble like McNabb. If the rush is coming...he'll find a way to get the ball to a covered receiver.

No offense dude...Culpepper is better than McNabb in just about every way. Stronger, faster, more accurate, smarter...Moss is without a doubt the most dangerous receiver in the league. Again...no one of sound mind would take McNabb/Owens over Culpepper/Moss.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Deeko
I certainly have blind hatred for the Eagles. Except I have educated blind hatred. I know more about the Eagles than most of their fans.

ThePresence, what about the Colts?? You COULD argue against some of those others...argue taht they are unproven or have certain deficiancies...but the Colts?? First off, they have a receiver just as good, if not better in some ways, than T.O. They also have a healthy Edge. And, the only thing any offense needs....Peyton Manning.

You're right. Colts too.
So let's see: Colts, Chiefs, Vikings and maybe the Pats. That is not PLENTY of teams, it's a select few.

You could argue that McNabb is just as good as Peyton b/c of his scrambling ability, and how hard he is to sack. The wildcard that makes Indy better is easy, VANDERJAGT (from my alma mater I might add, WVU!). He is easily the best kicker in the NFL... Oh and don't be surprised to see TO rack up better numbers than Harrison, and Westbrook better numbers than Edge. Philly is THAT good. You could take any of the teams listed above and it would be a toss up: Chiefs b/c of Gonzalez and Holmes (who is their QB again? *snicker*), Philly b/c of TO/Westbrook/McNabb, Minny because of Daunte/Randy. All these parts are interchangeable.

Get real. Westbrook is not gonna have better numbers than Edge. COME ON!

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Deeko
I certainly have blind hatred for the Eagles. Except I have educated blind hatred. I know more about the Eagles than most of their fans.

ThePresence, what about the Colts?? You COULD argue against some of those others...argue taht they are unproven or have certain deficiancies...but the Colts?? First off, they have a receiver just as good, if not better in some ways, than T.O. They also have a healthy Edge. And, the only thing any offense needs....Peyton Manning.

You're right. Colts too.
So let's see: Colts, Chiefs, Vikings and maybe the Pats. That is not PLENTY of teams, it's a select few.

You could argue that McNabb is just as good as Peyton b/c of his scrambling ability, and how hard he is to sack. The wildcard that makes Indy better is easy, VANDERJAGT (from my alma mater I might add, WVU!). He is easily the best kicker in the NFL... Oh and don't be surprised to see TO rack up better numbers than Harrison, and Westbrook better numbers than Edge. Philly is THAT good. You could take any of the teams listed above and it would be a toss up: Chiefs b/c of Gonzalez and Holmes (who is their QB again? *snicker*), Philly b/c of TO/Westbrook/McNabb, Minny because of Daunte/Randy. All these parts are interchangeable.

Get real. Westbrook is not gonna have better numbers than Edge. COME ON!

How do you know this? Just because it's Westbrook's first year? COME ON!

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Deeko
No one of sound mind would argue McNabb is as good as Peyton. No offense...he's a good QB...but Peyton is much better, regardless of his scrambling ability. He doesn't NEED to scramble like McNabb. If the rush is coming...he'll find a way to get the ball to a covered receiver.

No offense dude...Culpepper is better than McNabb in just about every way. Stronger, faster, more accurate, smarter...Moss is without a doubt the most dangerous receiver in the league. Again...no one of sound mind would take McNabb/Owens over Culpepper/Moss.

Daunte/Randy haven't even been to the playoffs in 3 years. McNabb has gone to 3 NFC championships without a reciever, and now he has TO. I'll take McNabb.