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a) His numbers aside, the team he was leading(you guys were the ones making a big deal about the QB being the leader) to a dominant victory over one of the best teams in the league
b) I'll say it again....THOSE WERE THE NEW YORK GIANTS. A jr high receiver could catch 3 TD's against them.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
a) His numbers aside, the team he was leading(you guys were the ones making a big deal about the QB being the leader) to a dominant victory over one of the best teams in the league
b) I'll say it again....THOSE WERE THE NEW YORK GIANTS. A jr high receiver could catch 3 TD's against them.
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Baltimore is now one of the best teams in the league? How can you call a one dimensional offense one of the best in the league? The Brown's D was better than advertised, and Boller sucks. Did you really expect Baltimore to win with 3 fumbles? lol Ray Ray can only do so much.

Wait, first you say TO's declining, but now your excuse for his monster game was that it was against NYG? Way to backpedal. If someone was declining they wouldn't even do sht against poor defenses, their overall numbers would be down. If someone was declining, they wouldn't be smoking younger corners half their size and making cuts to break their ankles.

What will you say if NY beats Dallas this year? That Parcells is declining? Because surely if TO having a monster game against NY is "declining", then Parcells losing to them would surely be "declining". It'll be good to hear your excuse then.
 
Umm...do you read anything except insidetheeagles.com? Many, MANY people have been picking Baltimore to be the top team in the AFC. How? Possibly the best D in the league, and Jamal Lewis. it hinges on the development of Boller.

TO is declining. He is not the player he was a few years ago. How am I backpedaling???? I didn't retract a thing I said. I said he isn't as good as he once was, he had a big game cuz he was playing an awful team. Hell, Troy Hamrick led the league last year when they played the Redskins. Is he a great player now?
 
I guess McNabb should've thrown 7 TD passes and 800 yards and TO needed to catch 6 of them and 300 yds to impress Deeko.
 
Oh and Deeko I just wanted to get your thoughts on this, saw it on sportsline:

"According to the Cowboys official website, coach Bill Parcells said his team will continue to utilize a running back by committee heading into Week 2. "We're gonna use multiple backs to carry the ball, just like everybody else is trying to do," Parcells said. "

I remember how much you love the running back by committee. It can't be successful, right?
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Umm...do you read anything except insidetheeagles.com? Many, MANY people have been picking Baltimore to be the top team in the AFC. How? Possibly the best D in the league, and Jamal Lewis. it hinges on the development of Boller.

TO is declining. He is not the player he was a few years ago. How am I backpedaling???? I didn't retract a thing I said. I said he isn't as good as he once was, he had a big game cuz he was playing an awful team. Hell, Troy Hamrick led the league last year when they played the Redskins. Is he a great player now?
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Previous statements you've made:a solid #1 CB and a competant safety to double T.O., and the other WR's can be held in single man-to-man.
If TO is "declining", why would you need to "double" him?

Does Owens have things Moss doesn't? Yes.
How can a "declining" WR (Owens) possibly have something that someone that you've dubbed "most dangerous WR in the league", does not? Your statements are inconsistent and illogical.

An excuse is backpedaling, saying that TO played great b/c of a team you label as lackluster defensively is an excuse. Give the man credit where credit is due, TO got the job done against a bitter conference rival. Too bad we can't say the same about Moss in the playoffs!

Your Troy Hambrick comparison is invalid. TO has proven himself against great defenses, where Hambrick has not, so any ebola ridden monkey with half a brain can ascertain that the best in the league can put up huge numbers at any given time vs subpar players having a great game once in a blue moon.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Deeko
Umm...do you read anything except insidetheeagles.com? Many, MANY people have been picking Baltimore to be the top team in the AFC. How? Possibly the best D in the league, and Jamal Lewis. it hinges on the development of Boller.

TO is declining. He is not the player he was a few years ago. How am I backpedaling???? I didn't retract a thing I said. I said he isn't as good as he once was, he had a big game cuz he was playing an awful team. Hell, Troy Hamrick led the league last year when they played the Redskins. Is he a great player now?
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Previous statements you've made:a solid #1 CB and a competant safety to double T.O., and the other WR's can be held in single man-to-man.
If TO is "declining", why would you need to "double" him?

Does Owens have things Moss doesn't? Yes.
How can a "declining" WR (Owens) possibly have something that someone that you've dubbed "most dangerous WR in the league", does not? Your statements are inconsistent and illogical.

An excuse is backpedaling, saying that TO played great b/c of a team you label as lackluster defensively is an excuse. Give the man credit where credit is due, TO got the job done against a bitter conference rival. Too bad we can't say the same about Moss in the playoffs!

Your Troy Hambrick comparison is invalid. TO has proven himself against great defenses, where Hambrick has not, so any ebola ridden monkey with half a brain can ascertain that the best in the league can put up huge numbers at any given time vs subpar players having a great game once in a blue moon.
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You can say the very same about the Eagles in conference championship games. But the eagles have an excellent defense, a great kicker, and are overall a much better team than the Vikings are. And TO has slowed down in production. Look at his 2003 numbers compared to earlier seasons. Whether it was his fault or some outside circumstance will be shown this year.

Baltimore is now one of the best teams in the league?
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Balimore has the best defense in the league by a significant margin. It's not just ray, they have johnathan odgen at DT and Chris Mcalister at CB, as well as several other excellent players.

In anycase, I'm letting the moss/owens argument go until next week. Lito Sheppard should start praying now.
 
Kev, you're correct, I don't like running back by committee. As good a player as he was...I was almost happy when Anderson went down in the 4th quarter, because I thought it was riduclous to be running him like that. However, don't forget that a) Julius Jones wasn't in that game and b) Jones hasn't played in the NFL yet. In my opinion, after a few weeks once Jones has established himself, he will be receiving 30 carries a game. As for your first comment....Vinny T is leading the league right now in passing yards right now. He had a good game against a bad defense. Does that mean everyone can stop saying that Dallas won't have a winning record solely because of him?? After all, with Vinny T no one can win...because its not like Dallas didn't win 10 games last year with CARTER, and much worse running backs. And to think you guys say I'M illogical.

Yea, I said you should double him. Did I say anywhere that he isn't one of the top receivers in the game? I said he's declining, which he is. That doesn't mean he can't still be good. Hell, teams double guys like Joey Galloway and Keyshawn Johnson. Its not uncommon to double a teams primary receiver, especially if their #2 guy is complete sh!t. My statements are not illogical. If I'm doing any backpedalling its because I have to explain what I meant, because you Eagles fans are thick headed dolts who won't be satisfied until everyone in the world admits you've got the best team in the world, with no shortcomings whatsover...which will never happen cuz the Eagles ain't winnin the superbowl.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
You're misunderstanding me...yea, it was a clutch play that was performed well. However, so many Eagles fans act like it was nothing, thats 'just the eagles'...no, you got VERY LUCKY to pull that off. Try that same situation again this year and see if you get it.

Yes, of course you're gonna get sacked if you don't have anyone to throw to. But I don't care how bad your receivers are...if its 3rd and long and your season is on the line, you DON'T take a sack like that. At least roll out(which McNabb certainly has the ability to do) and throw it the fvck out of bounds. That play was just poor.
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I almost forgot to respond to your jock riding of Payton Manning. From last week's game against NE: "The biggest was the last -- a 13-yard sack by Willie McGinest on Peyton Manning that forced Mike Vanderjagt to attempt a potential game-tying field goal from 48 yards. It went wide right, the first miss by Vanderjagt after 42 successes."

The difference between a 35 and a 48yd FG is huge. The "smart" Peyton Manning choked and took a sack which cost them the game. Why didn't he "throw it the fvck out of bounds" like you said McNabb should have? lmao

Linkage.
 
I was wondering if you'd mention that. Yep, he screwed up. If I recall...he wasn't at the sidelines like McNabb was though. Not to make excuses for him, but the difference between Vanderjagt kicking a 48 yarder and converting 4th and 26 are pretty big...this time they worked the other way around. He also wasn't choking in the playoffs.

I'd still take Manning any day. The only reason I emphasize that sack in the playoff game is because I get so tired of hearing about how the Eagles are amazing because of 4th and 26.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
I was wondering if you'd mention that. Yep, he screwed up. If I recall...he wasn't at the sidelines like McNabb was though. Not to make excuses for him, but the difference between Vanderjagt kicking a 48 yarder and converting 4th and 26 are pretty big...this time they worked the other way around. He also wasn't choking in the playoffs.

I'd still take Manning any day. The only reason I emphasize that sack in the playoff game is because I get so tired of hearing about how the Eagles are amazing because of 4th and 26.
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Well, luckily McNabb could atone for his mistake. Peyton did not have that luxury.

 
Well...considering Vanderjagt had made 42 straight...they were probably disappointed, but not exceeedingly worried. Sucks for them. Personally I'd be happy to even have a CHANCE at beating NE...they are ungodly good.
 
"I'd be happy to even have a CHANCE at beating NE"

Which, unfortunately, the cowboys don't and eagles do. 😛
 
Yea right. Can you even name a weakness on the Patriots? All the best teams in the league at least have a weakness....except them.
 
They don't have any glaring weaknesses, they play well as a team. There are a handful of teams that could beat them though. They're not gods.
 
Eli...throwing to an ever-aging Amani Toomer and Ike Hilliard, and the Thunder and Lightning combo that hasn't been effective in years. I hope you improve your defense a shade too....He would have been better going to the Chargers...if Manning turns out to be the real deal, that along with Tomlinson...that'd be quite a pair.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Eli...throwing to an ever-aging Amani Toomer and Ike Hilliard, and the Thunder and Lightning combo that hasn't been effective in years. I hope you improve your defense a shade too....He would have been better going to the Chargers...if Manning turns out to be the real deal, that along with Tomlinson...that'd be quite a pair.
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If the Giants are smart they will build around eli, meaning drafting wideouts next couple years and trading for a solid O line. Maybe they can swing a Geoff McArthur next year.
 
Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Originally posted by: Deeko
Eli...throwing to an ever-aging Amani Toomer and Ike Hilliard, and the Thunder and Lightning combo that hasn't been effective in years. I hope you improve your defense a shade too....He would have been better going to the Chargers...if Manning turns out to be the real deal, that along with Tomlinson...that'd be quite a pair.
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If the Giants are smart they will build around eli, meaning drafting wideouts next couple years and trading for a solid O line. Maybe they can swing a Geoff McArthur next year.
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Unless they get the first five draft picks next year, they're doomed for a decade.

 
Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Originally posted by: Deeko
Eli...throwing to an ever-aging Amani Toomer and Ike Hilliard, and the Thunder and Lightning combo that hasn't been effective in years. I hope you improve your defense a shade too....He would have been better going to the Chargers...if Manning turns out to be the real deal, that along with Tomlinson...that'd be quite a pair.
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If the Giants are smart they will build around eli, meaning drafting wideouts next couple years and trading for a solid O line. Maybe they can swing a Geoff McArthur next year.
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They have one decent young receiver in Tim Carter, if he wasn't such a head case. They also have two potentially decent young O-linemen in Snee and Diehl. I'd still like to see 'em grab a receiver and an offensive lineman 1-2 in the draft though.

Offensively, they may not be bad in a year or two, with Manning, Shockey (who's still young and just needs to shake the injury bug), Carter, Diehl, Snee and a couple more draft picks. Might need a RB soon though depending on how Tiki ages and Dayne's success (or lack thereof).

EDIT: I forgot that the 1-2 mentioned above will really be 2-3 (as in second round and third round next year) because of the Manning trade. Should still be able to get something good.
 
Being right just feels good.

TO is declining. He is not the player he was a few years ago
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OK...

However, [McNabb] is NOT the kind of guy that can run a pass only offense. That requires a QB with quicker thinking and the ability to throw accurate, short passes
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Yeah...

[/quote]You don't even need a complete all-star secondary...a solid #1 CB and a competant safety to double T.O., and the other WR's can be held in single man-to-man.[/quote]
Like Antoine Winfield?

Maybe if the Vikings had 2 2nd year CB's they could cover TO. They seemed to do a good job on Randy

😉 Just busting your balls
 
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