The German state of Baden-Wuerttemberg has given initial approval for headscarf ban
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OK so let me get this straight, our "progressive", enlighten Euroweenie friends are selectively banning people from wearing a scarf over their head because it is an "overt" religious symbol, but a jewish yarmulke is O.K. (i guess that must mean the krauts have a little remorse over what they did to the jews in WWII)
the French have no remorse over WWII, plus they are more devoutly egalitarian, so they will ban the yarmulke along with the head scarf...wearing a cross is still o.k. however.
Yep, gotta love those Euroweenies...
now does this mean the ash mark on the forehead for Catholics is forbidden on Ash Wednesday? oops, i bet they didn't think of that...
This kind of ban is only temporary. In another 100 years Islam will be the predominant religion in Europe. Maybe sooner. This sick type of behavior is a sign that the Euopeans are finally realizing that there time is over.
Ban all religious symbols or don't ban any.
Ban all religious symbols or don't ban any.
I dont really see a problem with that.
A: it will probably land on the desk of the supreme court
B: It is only for teachers (public offices) and nothing else - non muslim teachers also may not appear headmasks or that sort.
C: The headscarf is not really a religeous symbol but rather a symbol of womens oppression. And how do you explain that in turkey (a muslim country) headscarfs are not allowed in public offices, heck not even university STUDENTS are allowed to wear the headscarfs there. Also, a higher percentage of the turkish muslims here more orthodox than there are orthodox muslims in turkey.
A: it will probably land on the desk of the supreme court
B: It is only for teachers (public offices) and nothing else - non muslim teachers also may not appear headmasks or that sort.
C: The headscarf is not really a religeous symbol but rather a symbol of womens oppression. And how do you explain that in turkey (a muslim country) headscarfs are not allowed in public offices, heck not even university STUDENTS are allowed to wear the headscarfs there. Also, a higher percentage of the turkish muslims here more orthodox than there are orthodox muslims in turkey.
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Right... womans oppession...Is'nt everything? Have you ever met a religious woman? They oppess the men way more than the other way around. I don't like going to church but am forced to can't even watch R movies anymore. My mother did the same thing to all of us. I've also heard these women say they want to wear them. Hogwash. Here's a test for you roll into a catholic church on wednesday evening or sunday morning and I bet it's 70% woman.
gaddamnit, stupid choices
how about teaching people about diversity and that there is nothing wrong with being different from the majority
how about teaching people about diversity and that there is nothing wrong with being different from the majority
That's the problem Fritz....you don't see the problem..and curiously enough, germans didn't see the problem back in the 1940's either. I find it interesting that on the one hand you EU types spout off about how the Turks oppress the Kurds and abuse the Kurd's free speech rights, and because the Turks don't share the EU sensibilities about human rights, they are not fit to be in the EU, and then you turn around and use the Turks as an example of why it's alright for the Germans to oppress an entire class of people based upon religious beliefs.
You have no idea how terrible this looks to others.
Blatant discrimination, and racist behavior is how this appears to others.
You don't ban yarmulke's because the political baggage is to great,
but you feel banning other head coverings (whose religious intent is identical).
You probably wouldn't see this the same way if America had a sizeable and growing population of Muslims who refused to assimilate into the culture. Heck, you already have people asking for a national language, because of Central American immigration.
Ya gotta love religious persecution.......... not. Can't wait to see what this develops into
Just about the only good thing about living in this G-d-forsaken country is that everyone is still free to believe whatever they like.
If anyone tells me "if you don't like it here, get the fvck out"
I've got two words for you:
bite me.
That's right, bite me. Get a brain, then formulate a real argument and perhaps then we'll talk.
Sorry, I just get sick of hearing this repeated by the neocons and your average idiot Jingoist over and over. It's their "ultimate comeback" and they never get tired of saying it. I have just as much right to live here as the next person and if you think otherwise then you're the one who should "get the fvck out".
Sorry for the (albeit small) rant, I've been getting progressively sicker over the past few days and I feel like utter shyte right now. It felt good to get that out
Just about the only good thing about living in this G-d-forsaken country is that everyone is still free to believe whatever they like.
If anyone tells me "if you don't like it here, get the fvck out"
I've got two words for you:
bite me.
That's right, bite me. Get a brain, then formulate a real argument and perhaps then we'll talk.
Sorry, I just get sick of hearing this repeated by the neocons and your average idiot Jingoist over and over. It's their "ultimate comeback" and they never get tired of saying it. I have just as much right to live here as the next person and if you think otherwise then you're the one who should "get the fvck out".
Sorry for the (albeit small) rant, I've been getting progressively sicker over the past few days and I feel like utter shyte right now. It felt good to get that out
heartsurgeon,
there are at least 3 posters in this thread who could be called "EU types", yet you focus on one of them and generalize everyone to that one response
there are at least 3 posters in this thread who could be called "EU types", yet you focus on one of them and generalize everyone to that one response
Yeah right, Mr Highhorse. In Afganistan it was ok for u to bitch about the woman having to wear burkas, here u complain about banning this garment from a public job position. There is a big difference about the hat from the jwisch guys and having the whole haed and face covered up so that the pupils couldnt even discern if the person in disguise actually is their teacher or who she is for that matter.
In your view it is probably also racist to be against womans circumcision. After all it is a sacred religeous practice and prohibiting it would be racist.
Or how about the dictation of clothing style especially for woman in US schools isnt that against their personality to dictate long skirts small earrings certain hairstyles.
Talk about turning a fly into an elefant...
Time to cut back on the schnapps..it's a very different thing to "bitch" about women being forced to wear burkas by law, versus women choosing to wear burkas if they want to. Your law would presumbly prohibit any women from choosing to wear a head scarf..hardly s subtle distinction..
They don't call it a "hat", and the big difference is you gassed a bunch of those "jwisch guys" a few years ago, and they won't be putting up with that a second time. Apparently your Eurobuddies the French don't feel as inhibited..they plan to ban the "hat" as well. Do you really trust the French?
At least you got that right...didn't one of you countryman state it was "good that the Americans got hit on Sept. 11. Maybe it taught them a lesson." Quote from Time Magazine..i would pretty much have to say she is a Belgian Euroweenie....
do Belgians actually trust the Germans?
LOL
you are funny, because that dumbass made a comment like that we are all like that
stupidity is universal, you are the biggest evidence of that
Czar - i have nothing but admiration for Iceland..fascinating place (i've been there), and i have serveral icelandic friends (all excellent physicians), i would not consider anyone from Iceland a Euroweenie.
Freegeeks - i have to disagree with your assessment that "all religious symbols should be banned from public places" - that is authoritarian, and contrary to a free society. I am however heartened that you feel your countryman who lauded the 9/11 attacks against the U.S. was a dumbass.
The german guy has issues he just doesn't realize yet..
we have millions of latinos in the u.s., millions of blacks in the U.S., millions of muslims in the U.S...millions of immigrants...assimilating large groups of people who may have varying religious beliefs, social customs, dress habits, food preferences, appearances, etc involves society at large changing and evolving to accomodate these new groups. trying to "ban" non-violent forms of self-expression, religious or otherwise, just won't work.
Freegeeks - i have to disagree with your assessment that "all religious symbols should be banned from public places" - that is authoritarian, and contrary to a free society. I am however heartened that you feel your countryman who lauded the 9/11 attacks against the U.S. was a dumbass.
The german guy has issues he just doesn't realize yet..
we have millions of latinos in the u.s., millions of blacks in the U.S., millions of muslims in the U.S...millions of immigrants...assimilating large groups of people who may have varying religious beliefs, social customs, dress habits, food preferences, appearances, etc involves society at large changing and evolving to accomodate these new groups. trying to "ban" non-violent forms of self-expression, religious or otherwise, just won't work.
IMO religious symbols have no place in schools or other public places and a lot of muslim girls are forced by their family (father and older brothers) to wear a scarf. A couple of years ago I worked at a place where probably 20% of the employees were young (18-21) muslim girls. A couple of them complained that they were forced by their older brother to wear a scarf. When I tried to date one of these girls she told me that it would be impossible because if her brother would found out that she (and also my a$$) would be in serious trouble.
just my 0,2 eurocent
and I resent the idea that according to that article in Time Magazine that 90% of the Belgians think that 9/11 was something that the US deserved. Totally FALSE. We were among the first countries to offer help and a SAR team even flew to Iceland on stand-by if the US govt. needed the help. For months Belgian AWAC crews helped to monitor the US skies. We may disagree on certain things but 9/11 was not taken lightly here.
The actions that the government performs doesn't necessarily reflect the beliefs of the people. It might, might not.
For example, Spain supported the US's action on Iraq yet the majority of their population did not approve of such an action.
agreed, but I can only say that 9/11 was CERTAINLY not seen as something that the USA deserved
people were appaled by the WTC, Pentagon, Pensyl. tragedies
There are Belgian troops in Afghanistan right now and a very large majority of the population support our presence there because of 9/11
Heartsurgeon: I do not see where it prohibits any women from wearing a head scarf all the time. It simple prohibits them from wearing them in a public school.
My only problem with this kind of law is that it didn't include all religious symbols as part of the ban.
'Assimilate into the culture'? Sorry, but NOBODY fully integrates into a culture - even in the US. You KEEP your culture. Saying 'wahhhh, they don't fully integrate into our society' is a cop out. Shows some great intolerance, IMO.
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