Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: Vic
Unfortunately, I see the Republican party moving farther right towards the religious fundies and nationalism, essentially marginalizing themselves.
That's entirely possible. That would be a shame, and I'm not all that trusting of the Democrats to keep spending under control, and taxes in line. Though at this point in time, this conservative feels fully that the continuation of recent GOP policy would be a total disaster for this country. I hope Obama proves worthy of this chance, and I have a good feeling he will be.
Yeah, I'm optimistic about Obama. Largely due to what we're talking about here, the Dems are not all hippie liberals anymore. The farther the Pubs moved to the right, the more moderates found themselves with the Dems. There's a good number of conservative and moderate Dems in Congress now. Obama is going to have to take the moderate, centrist stance if he wants to get anything done, and IMO he seems to know that already.
Still, I'm like you. I don't trust the Dems any more than I trust the Pubs, and the last thing I want is a one-party state. OTOH, I can't support the Pubs when they refuse to be fiscally conservative, when they insist on putting their religion into the laws, and when they insist on ignoring our country's internal problems for the sake of pursuing unnecessary and costly wars. Of course, then there's the issue that nothing is ever their fault.... sigh.
What I would like to see is the Pubs move back to more of a Goldwater/Buckley conservatism. I'm not convinced that's gonna happen though, especially with Rush&co calling for an "ideological purity." So maybe a 3rd party rises up or is created to fill the gap. That would be interesting to see in our lifetimes.
The problem with a third party, as I see it, is that one is needed for the middle and that forming it would advantage one of the extremes. The only way I can see it happening is if both parties split and the center were to coalesce.
But even that could leave us nowhere but in the middle of muddle.
Let's take welfare as an example. The right wants no reward without work. They are assholes whose self image is built on the illusion they have worked for what they've got. They can't feature that if they were born genetically identical in Africa they would own bags and bags of dirt.
The liberal believes in redemption when people are given a chance. The legacy is generations on welfare.
The answer, as with all real answers lies is a resolution of opposites that comes from higher understanding:
You can and should help people caught in the cycle of downward self hate, by teaching them how to fish for themselves without their knowing the intention. You have to create situations where people, via their own efforts, can do something to help themselves. You have to provide opportunity, and it has to be real. This is illustrated in the story of stone soup.
