The future of AMD in graphics

[tamz_msc]

TPU is only one site, other reviews have them almost equal.

Both Hardware Unboxed and Anandtech have the 1660 ~7% faster than the 590.

 

[AtenRa]

Both Hardware Unboxed and Anandtech have the 1660 ~7% faster than the 590.

OK I will give you 5-7% BUT both will play the same games at the same Image Quality settings. So both are equal with the RX 590 having +2GB of extra Vram.

Also the RX 590 will come significantly cheaper if you sell the games or if you want to play one or two or all three games in the bundle.

Sell all three games
RX 590 -3x Games = $220 - 3x $20 = $60 = $160 Total
GTX 1660 = $220


If you only want to play one game
RX 590 + 1 Games = $220 - 2x $20 = $40 = $180 Total
GTX 1660 = $220 + 1 Game @ $60 = $280 total


If you only want to play two games
RX 590 + 2 Games = $220 - $20 = $200 Total
GTX 1660 = $220 + 2 Game @ 2x $60 = $340 total


If you want to play all three games
RX 590 + 3 Games = $220
GTX 1660 = $220 + 3 Games = 3x $60 = $180 = $400 total

 

[Elfear]

OK I will give you 5-7% BUT both will play the same games at the same Image Quality settings. So both are equal with the RX 590 having +2GB of extra Vram.

Also the RX 590 will come significantly cheaper if you sell the games or if you want to play one or two or all three games in the bundle.

AMD and Nvidia have made it very hard to sell game bundles. I wouldn't count on most people being able to do that. The bundle should definitely be factored into a purchased decision as it could potentially save the buyer a wad of cash if they were planning on buying the games anyway, I just wouldn't assume that they can be easily sold.

 

[ozzy702]

AMD and Nvidia have made it very hard to sell game bundles. I wouldn't count on most people being able to do that. The bundle should definitely be factored into a purchased decision as it could potentially save the buyer a wad of cash if they were planning on buying the games anyway, I just wouldn't assume that they can be easily sold.

^ This. It's not like during the good old days where you pickup a 7970 and it comes with cards you can just sell. They've really locked things down. Games shouldn't factor into the equation unless they are games you plan to play.

 

[Yotsugi]

This is going absolutely nowhere.
You're not even discussing the future of AMD dGPUs anyway.

Games shouldn't factor into the equation unless they are games you plan to play.

Fortunately, AMD bundled some pretty good ones, g-d bless current Capcom.

 

[Head1985]

Here in eu/czech republic rx590 cost 270euro cheapest so it cost way more than gtx1660

 

[whm1974]

This is going absolutely nowhere.
You're not even discussing the future of AMD dGPUs anyway.

Fortunately, AMD bundled some pretty good ones, g-d bless current Capcom.

What is the current game Bundle?

 

[tamz_msc]

What is the current game Bundle?

Resident Evil 2, Devil May Cry 5 and Tom Clancy's The Division 2.

 

[whm1974]

Resident Evil 2, Devil May Cry 5 and Tom Clancy's The Division 2.

RR2 I would play if I can get it work to under SteamPlay for Linux, and maybe The Division 2. However not sure about DMC 5.

 

[AtenRa]

Here in eu/czech republic rx590 cost 270euro cheapest so it cost way more than gtx1660

RX 590 starts at 219 Euro

GTX 1660 starts at 248 Euro

Unfortunately those prices are not found in every EU country but still the GTX 1660 now is more expensive.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD and Nvidia have made it very hard to sell game bundles. .

I dont see any problem selling those games, you simple get the key but you dont activate the game in steam or uplay.

 

[jpiniero]

AMD's gonna have to cut the 590's price. Which they will.

 

[AtenRa]

^ This. It's not like during the good old days where you pickup a 7970 and it comes with cards you can just sell. They've really locked things down. Games shouldn't factor into the equation unless they are games you plan to play.

The only thing they locked down is that you need to have the GPU (RX570/580/590) in order to gain the game key. After that you can sell the key and you can activate the game in any steam/uplay account.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD's gonna have to cut the 590's price. Which they will.

The RX 590 was overpriced at $270, Polaris 30 is a smaller die than the TU116 in GTX1660 so they could go even bellow $200 if they need to.

 

[railven]

If you're gonna scam the system, might as well just do the following:

Buy RX 590, sell/claim games whatever, return card get full refund (already pocketed money/games)
Buy RTX 2080, sell/clam games whatever, return card get full refund (already pocketed money/games)
Buy best card in your price range (used if it gets you higher tier).

Win for you, cheapest best card, win for you tons of free games/money, lose for NV/AMD.



This post is mostly sarcastic, but food for thought.

 

[Hitman928]

If you're gonna scam the system, might as well just do the following:

Buy RX 590, sell/claim games whatever, return card get full refund (already pocketed money/games)
Buy RTX 2080, sell/clam games whatever, return card get full refund (already pocketed money/games)
Buy best card in your price range (used if it gets you higher tier).

Win for you, cheapest best card, win for you tons of free games/money, lose for NV/AMD.



This post is mostly sarcastic, but food for thought.

Unless something has changed, if you return the cards with a game bundle, they subtract the game values from the refund so that you can't do this (the keys stay active obviously).

 

[Ajay]

No one is really taking about the future of AMD graphics. This thread is just becoming another boring AMD vs Nvidia proxy battle

 

[Yotsugi]

No one is really taking about the future of AMD graphics

There's so little known about Navi besides the launch date that discussing anything is pointless.

 

[tamz_msc]

No one is really taking about the future of AMD graphics. This thread is just becoming another boring AMD vs Nvidia proxy battle

Well with Navi supposedly only coming in q4 or October at the earliest, it'll be a year late. Unless it is magical like what some of the "leaks" suggest, in terms of price, performance and possibly power consumption, the only thing we can say about the future of AMD graphics is that it is going to be in a lot of trouble.

 

[guskline]

If you're gonna scam the system, might as well just do the following:

Buy RX 590, sell/claim games whatever, return card get full refund (already pocketed money/games)
Buy RTX 2080, sell/clam games whatever, return card get full refund (already pocketed money/games)
Buy best card in your price range (used if it gets you higher tier).

Win for you, cheapest best card, win for you tons of free games/money, lose for NV/AMD.



This post is mostly sarcastic, but food for thought.

Railven, that rivals the College admission scam burning up in the news.

 

[arandomguy]

I dont see any problem selling those games, you simple get the key but you dont activate the game in steam or uplay.

I don't believe that is how it works anymore. In the case of both Nvidia and AMD neither of their promotions directly provide redeemable keys for the games themselves for whatever game service. You have to link your account while redeeming the bundle key at which point they directly activate it on the linked account. The games also have to be redeemed at the same time I believe so you cannot split sell them either.

I suspect in the future they'll be looking to further lock this down as well due to pressure from the publishers (or pay more for the bundles).

 

[GodisanAtheist]

There's so little known about Navi besides the launch date that discussing anything is pointless.

- I don't think its unfair to say that with the launch of the Radeon VII that AMD has put a sort of cap on the performance we can expect from Navi later this year. We're likely getting something in the Vega 64 territory at most. Any more and it starts cramping the VII, any less and you have a massive hole in AMD's line-up.

Its something worth discussing, at least.

 

[Qwertilot]

Massive holes, alas, to be expected right now AMD haven't really had a proper top to bottom range for ages.

I mostly hope they can get the perf/watt closer. 2:1 is a bit sarcastic.

 

[Yotsugi]

I don't think its unfair to say that with the launch of the Radeon VII that AMD has put a sort of cap on the performance we can expect from Navi later this year.

Nah, that Vega20 cutoff will get EOLed pretty fast.

 

[Topweasel]

- I don't think its unfair to say that with the launch of the Radeon VII that AMD has put a sort of cap on the performance we can expect from Navi later this year. We're likely getting something in the Vega 64 territory at most. Any more and it starts cramping the VII, any less and you have a massive hole in AMD's line-up.

Its something worth discussing, at least.

Well you are both wrong and right. Ever since we heard of Navi we know of it as the Polaris replacement. So I take that as having a size limit that would probably prevent it from being competitive Nvidia's offering. So I think you are right best we can hope for is something like the Vega 56 or 64. But I think people over value the Radeon VII's spot in AMD's lineup.

Vega 20 is a pipecleaner and for the most part it's only job is to be sold as MI50's and MI60's. It's over all performance and Nvidia's pricing on Turing gave AMD an opportunity to sell it as a high end gaming card (and personally I think its bandwidth and total memory gives it more legs than 2080 in the long run). But I don't think it's spot is protected and that AMD would want to stop its sales cannibalization in the future. If AMD has a card based on Navi that can compete with the 2080, AMD will just shift Radeon VII production back to MI production and if there are dies that can't hit MI50 range, they can just make a MI45 or something.

But there is a difference between AMD caring if Navi eclipses Radeon VII and actually having a product that could. I don't think they will.