The FL cruise ship problem.

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DisarmedDespot

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I don't agree with forcing these ships to stay at sea to teach the idiot passengers a lesson, but we're in a situation where some hospitals are thinking about or implementing do not resuscitate orders because the situation has gotten that bad, so overwhelming local healthcare systems is a legitimate fear.

This probably violates some sort of naval code, but let them dock, get the passengers and crew off and impound the ship until the cruise company pays the costs to treat the sick? It'd be insanely ironic to use the US's high healthcare costs to punish an irresponsible corporation.
 
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pete6032

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I wouldn't let them dock in Florida either. Send that ship back to Argentina where it came from. You go on a cruise ship in the middle of a freaking pandemic I have no sympathy for your sob stories. There is no reason to let a bunch of superspreaders into our country when our hospitals are already near the breaking point and will soon cross over that point.
At what date of cruise embarkment do you no longer have sympathy for the people on board? Would you have sympathy if the boat originally left on March 1? What about March 6? March 10?
 
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BUTCH1

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there's no problem in Florida, it's business as usual and no lockdown at all according to the useless governor
He's trying to go county by county and it's been wildly criticized, I live in Voulsia county, here we have "disappearing" islands, (sandbars that are uncovered at low tide) and boats flock to them for liquor-infused parties. Not a problem normally except now they can spread the virus. Still little testing in the state, no one really knows how bad it is yet.
 

hal2kilo

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Not to worry. He was about to get sued big time, so he put on his big boy pants, and finally issued a statewide stay at home order. Talk about closing the barn door after the horses got out.
 

SteveGrabowski

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At what date of cruise embarkment do you no longer have sympathy for the people on board? Would you have sympathy if the boat originally left on March 1? What about March 6? March 10?

Certainly not March 7th when it was widely known we were in a global pandemic and going on a cruise is about the farthest thing you can do from social distancing. Maybe I'm pissed because I'm in a high risk group that has a good chance of dying from this and it clouds things a bit, but I fucking hate that people knowingly spread this and it might cost me a life saving hospital bed. They can live with their decision.
 

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At what date of cruise embarkment do you no longer have sympathy for the people on board? Would you have sympathy if the boat originally left on March 1? What about March 6? March 10?
It's hard to say but damm, you must have been living in a cave not to have known about CV19's rapid spread and of the problems the ship off Cali had docking. I put the blame on the operator for even going through with going in the 1st place.
 

Blackjack200

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Certainly not March 7th when it was widely known we were in a global pandemic and going on a cruise is about the farthest thing you can do from social distancing. Maybe I'm pissed because I'm in a high risk group that has a good chance of dying from this and it clouds things a bit, but I fucking hate that people knowingly spread this and it might cost me a life saving hospital bed. They can live with their decision.

Your anger is justified, but it's better directed at the ghouls that spent the last 40 years hollowing out the US healthcare system. Unfortunately those guys have their own boats.

People paid hundreds or thousands of dollars for a cruise, maybe they were told that they could not get refunds, maybe they were assured by the cruise operator that it would be safe. Whatever the reason, Florida should have plenty of empty hotel rooms at this point. Each passenger gets a hotel room and stays in it for two weeks. Food and linens are dropped of at their doors. If they go two weeks without showing symptoms, they can go home.
 
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HomerJS

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Your anger is justified, but it's better directed at the ghouls that spent the last 40 years hollowing out the US healthcare system. Unfortunately those guys have their own boats.

People paid hundreds or thousands of dollars for a cruise, maybe they were told that they could not get refunds, maybe they were assured by the cruise operator that it would be safe. Whatever the reason, Florida should have plenty of empty hotel rooms at this point. Each passenger gets a hotel room and stays in it for two weeks. Food and linens are dropped of at their doors. If they go two weeks without showing symptoms, they can go home.
Not a bad idea but you would need the national guard surround all those hotels to enforce. If someone tries to leave, shoot them.
 
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Viper1j

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Looks like the CG agrees with you.

That will be all well and good, until people start being "disappeared" overboard. Then watch how fast the US tries to claim jurisdiction.


An anniversary celebration turned bloody, with the husband allegedly trying to throw his dead wife overboard—while vacationers enjoyed a ‘murder mystery’ dinner.

Husband Allegedly Killed Wife on Cruise Ship Because ‘She Would Not Stop Laughing at Me’
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The FBI arrested a man Thursday aboard a cruise ship for allegedly murdering his wife after telling witnesses, “She would not stop laughing at me.”

Kenneth Manzanares is accused of killing 39-year-old Kristy Manzanares aboard the Emerald Princess ship off the coast of southeast Alaska on Tuesday. The Manzanares of Utah were reportedly celebrating their wedding anniversary with their three daughters. The FBI took him into custody on Thursday after ordering all passengers on the ship to be held. The Utah couple was reportedly celebrating their anniversary.

One daughter reportedly ran out of the family’s cabin calling for help when the couple got into an argument. Witnesses say Kenneth then reached for his wife’s lifeless body, his hands and clothes already covered in her blood and began to drag her body out of the room and over to the balcony of the ship. “My life is over,” Kenneth said a security guard reaching to restrain him, a federal affidavit said.

“We don't know what he intended to do once he got her out there,” U.S. Attorney Brian Sharber said. “I don't remember the last time we had a murder on a cruise ship in Alaska. I’ve been here for 12 years and I'm a retired coast guard officer and I don't think we’ve had one since I’ve been here.”

The couple’s three daughters were on board the ship at the time of Kristy’s death. While Kenneth is detained, the FBI said at a news conference their daughters are being looked after by family members. The FBI would not confirm whether the girls were in the room at the time of Kristy’s death, though witnesses say one of the daughters reported the argument, but the FBI did say there were eyewitnesses in the room at the time of the killing.

“In an incident like this, the FBI does deploy a victim specialist so we did deploy one from Anchorage and one from the Seattle office. In an instance like this, they would be working with and supporting the family members,” FBI Special Agent Marlin Ritzman said.

At the same time as the murder, vacationers were enjoying a pre-scheduled “murder mystery” themed dinner, CBS reported. When a crew member’s announced someone died over the loudspeaker, some passengers thought it was a hoax.

Emerald Princess passenger Charles Rowlen told KTVA he and his wife were in a room two floors above Kristy’s room. “It was evening for us, I had turned in and my wife was taking a shower and I heard terrible screaming, I mean you knew it wasn’t normal,” Rowlen said. “And it sounded like two or three ladies or girls, definitely women screaming.”

WTF were the FBI doing arresting anyone in "foreign" jurisdiction? Should have been handled by the flagged country.

So much for jurisdiction on "foreign flagged ships".

I think the Feds are going to find they can't have it both ways.

"News of the Coast Guard bulletin emerged as a Carnival-owned Holland America seeks a port for the Zaandam, a cruise ship on which four people have died and nearly 200 people were sickened by suspected COVID-19."

They won't be able to do shit if these ships just start tossing bodies over board .

Can sharks catch the Trumpvirus?
 
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KMFJD

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Those ships are actually registered in the Netherlands (im shocked) , so they've got a couple of more days to go, company is located right in donny's backyard though in Doral
 

fskimospy

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These are people who made a terribly stupid decision and they may pay for it with their lives but it doesn't mean we just tell them to fuck off.

I don't think we should disembark them and let them go, but we need to get the people off those ships. We should be building quarantine quarters at the necessary ports where passengers must stay for at least two weeks and still test negative before they can leave.

I mean what is the answer here? They can't stay at sea forever.
 

BUTCH1

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These are people who made a terribly stupid decision and they may pay for it with their lives but it doesn't mean we just tell them to fuck off.

I don't think we should disembark them and let them go, but we need to get the people off those ships. We should be building quarantine quarters at the necessary ports where passengers must stay for at least two weeks and still test negative before they can leave.

I mean what is the answer here? They can't stay at sea forever.
Possibly disembark just the US citizens, then they can go to different countries and drop those who live there, ect.
 

ivwshane

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Possibly disembark just the US citizens, then they can go to different countries and drop those who live there, ect.


If we had a competent federal government we could take them all and simply fine/bill the shit out of the cruise ship operators.

This will be yet another thing democrats will have to fix.
 
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Wreckem

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If we had a competent federal government we could take them all and simply fine/bill the shit out of the cruise ship operators.

This will be yet another thing democrats will have to fix.

What exactly have the cruise lines did that were illegal? There’s no law to fine them nor is their legal authority to bill them.

Many of these ships have been at sea since late feb or before March 7 and certainly before they all stopped cruises in Mid March.

The Who didn’t declare a pandemic till mid March. All governments besides a China and Italy were denying they had problems.

Why exactly are the cruise lines taking the fall for governments bad information/planning. Government a have far more access to information than corporations. Corporations were following government information and advisories in Feb. every western government was caught flat footed. You expect corporations to respond better than government when they are relying on the government for information? No one knew of the true extent of the spread in the west until Mid March.

Y’all need to stop with the 50/50 hindsight and Monday morning quarterbacking.
 
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If we had a competent federal government we could take them all and simply fine/bill the shit out of the cruise ship operators.

This will be yet another thing democrats will have to fix.
Yea, but with 6,000 passengers (plus crew members) still out there where do they all go now?, even a port who is not strained with a local CV19 outbreak would give pause because of the fear of starting a new outbreak in their area. This could degrade into these vessels becoming the equivalent of floating leper colonies.
 

SteveGrabowski

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These are people who made a terribly stupid decision and they may pay for it with their lives but it doesn't mean we just tell them to fuck off.

I don't think we should disembark them and let them go, but we need to get the people off those ships. We should be building quarantine quarters at the necessary ports where passengers must stay for at least two weeks and still test negative before they can leave.

I mean what is the answer here? They can't stay at sea forever.

The answer is to go dock and disembark in the cruise's home nation and let them deal with it. I'm not willing to sacrifice the lives of American doctors and nurses because thousands of people with money thought they were special snowflakes who could play with peoples' lives by congregating together in huge numbers during a pandemic without repercussion.
 
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What exactly have the cruise lines did that were illegal? There’s no law to fine them nor is their legal authority to bill them.

Many of these ships have been at sea since late feb or before March 7 and certainly before they all stopped cruises in Mid March.

The Who didn’t declare a pandemic till mid March. All governments besides a China and Italy were denying they had problems.

Why exactly are the cruise lines taking the fall for governments bad information/planning. Government a have far more access to information than corporations. Corporations were following government information and advisories in Feb. every western government was caught flat footed. You expect corporations to respond better than government when they are relying on the government for information? No one knew of the true extent of the spread in the west until Mid March.

Y’all need to stop with the 50/50 hindsight and Monday morning quarterbacking.
True, but the trouble with the cruise ship trying to dock in CA went back to early March, the handwriting was then on the wall. These vessels do not have a separate HVAC unit for every cabin so any issue with a virus transmittable as an aresole is going to be problematic.
 
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