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The First Republican Debate: Three Of Them Don't Believe In Evolution!

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: Fern
I was surprised to see the large numbers of those who belived in the 6,000 year thingy. Does not reconcile with my 47 years of experience, so i discount it.

Just like a good ol' Christian! Never let the facts get in the way of your preconceived beliefs!

From Google (what I discount):

Young Earth creationism.....snip....

This view is held by many Protestant Christians in the USA, and by many Haredi Jews. It is also estimated that 47% of Americans hold this view ("this view" being the 6k yrs)

So, Google says it's estimated that 47% of people hold the 6,000 - 10,000 yr opinion.

Only 2 out of 6 different views on creationism believe in the 6k-10k yr thingy.

Either the other 4 are extreme minorites, or they're likely gonna come up with a total creationism population in excess of 100%.

But since you seem to dismiss me so easily (for me, personal observation and common sense trump seemingly fantastical "factiods" lacking any proof) , how about you coming up with some facts to bolster Google's claim?

TIA,
Fern
 
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I wouldn't even vote for a mayor that didn't believe in evolution

Would any of you support a president that was fundie enough to think foreign policy is unimportant because we are in the end-of-times anyway? Or that environmental issues aren't worth considering because the Rapture is soon to come?

Though the above are the extremes, there are a multitude of mainstream fundie positions that when taken together, could add up to something just as bad for law and policy, i.e. gender equality, sexual orientation equality, education, research, abortion, etc..


yeah, and this is why I think Republicans are pissed that they let these whackos hijack their party. (at least, I hope they are). Clinton was more Republican than Bush, if you look at his spending.

A president that doent' belive in evolution is an embarrasment, and it's safe to say that such beliefs will influence public education, in extremely negative ways.
 
Originally posted by: smashp
Everyone that Thinks Evolution isnt Real needs to turn off the Computer they Are using right now. It is a product of Science... EVIL.... Science. Go back To Best Buy and Ask for a "Faith based computer"


lol
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Only fundamentalist Christians believe in young-earth creationism. The total percentage of fundies is around 8% of total Christians. So it's a vast minority, but if you consider the population of the U.S. and the percentage of the population who claim to be Christian (~85%), you're looking at: 300 million people x 85% = 255 million people x 8% = 20 million people.
Guess who would be the first to object if we taught the mainstream Christian view of the first few chapters of Genesis as an "alternative" to evolution. If you think fundies are up in arms now that their particular literalist heresy isn't being forced on everyone's kids, just imagine what'll happen if the schools teach that most Christians believe Genesis is allegory. Those asking for equal time need to realize that if we don't use evidence to determine what is and isn't science, then it becomes a popularity contest that they're going to lose.
 
Math is evil. And school, reveling in the fruit of the tree of knowledge, exposes our kids to deadly sin by its very nature. Down with school! Education be damned!
 
This asinine debate of fact and fiction, is the reason why we are moving backwards scientifically as a nation, and the number of cutting edge thinkers in our country drops like a stone.

Religion is a personal choice, keep your madness in your home and your church, science is factually supported, religion is a matter of blind faith, There is no way creationism should ever make it into our public schools, as it would merely be a concession to teaching widespread ignorance and delusion.

If you believe in it so what no one cares, everyone has a right to believe what they want, but evolution is not subject to your belief it is a fact, it's like saying that the notion that the earth was flat vs round was actually a matter worth debating when columbus proved it was a total crock of ****, evolution has been substanciated repeatedly by thousands of scienctists in numerous different fields, and that holds more credibilty than any religous book....


The bible lost it's credibilty centuries ago, was it not the church who claimed the sun revolved around the earth, because the earth was supposedly the center of the heavens? why is it the church omitted that little passage from the bible after it was disproved if the word of god is so infallible? I think if evolution was to gain strong enough support among the religous the book of genesis would just mysteriously dissappear as well....
 
The Onion strikes a middle ground much like this thread, which was both created, and has evolved.


http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_believe_in_evolution_except

I Believe In Evolution, Except For The Whole Triassic Period
By Stephen Jossler
May 30, 2007 | Issue 43?22


I consider myself a rational person. When I have a question, I turn to science and logic to find the answer. Regarding the origins of life, science tells us that humans evolved from single-celled organisms to our current form through a process of natural selection that took billions of years.

This much is clear to anyone with any background in modern thinking. We can look at the fossil record and trace many of our genetic traits back to ancient species. In fact, scientific reasoning can explain nearly every stage of life from the Big Bang to the present day. I say "nearly" because the period that scientists claim lasted from roughly 205 to 250 million years ago, commonly known as the Triassic period, was quite obviously the work of the Lord God Almighty.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not one of those religious nut cases who denies that evolution is real. Of course evolution is real, just not during the "Triassic period."

This so-called Triassic period saw the formation of scleractinian corals and a slight changeover from warm-blooded therapsids to cold-blooded archosauromorphs. Clearly, such breathtakingly subtle modifications could only have been achieved by an active intelligence.

The secular Triassicists would have you believe that these changes were just the result of millions of years of nature favoring certain genes over others in order to adapt, the same way evolution worked prior to the Triassic. Obviously, that doesn't make any sense. Think about it: I'm supposed to believe that the same process that we know slowly changed us from simple bacteria into highly advanced reptiles over the course of the Paleozoic era is also responsible for turning us into highly advanced reptiles with different body lengths? Do these people ever pause to think how ridiculous they sound as they advance these theories?

For a half-dozen million years, life advanced from prokaryotes to primitive fish to mammal-like reptiles via natural selection, and we're supposed to believe that that just continued happening? I don't think so. Isn't it much more likely that a formless, invisible deity intervened, temporarily stopped the course of evolution, and shaped each and every trilobite over a period of six days? Of course it is, at least to any objective observer.

So, if you follow my reasoning to its logical end, the only sound conclusion is that, at some point, God paused evolution and stepped in, made a few modifications, and boom! Pterosaurs. There is simply no way evolution alone could be responsible for the giant leap between archosaurs and other, different archosaurs with better developed hip joints and slightly differently shaped teeth.

Everything about the Triassic period points to divine involvement. Let me ask you this: Could some kind of random genetic chance make the population of shelled cephalopods grow significantly? No, of course not. So the only logical explanation is that there was an infinite and all-knowing cephalopod creator who modified their mollusk foot into a muscular hydrostat that eventually, on the sixth day, became a tentacle.

So, when I tell you that after the Paleozoic era, Ceratodon lungfish became relatively common, it naturally follows that someone created that lungfish by hand and then took out one of its lungfish ribs and combined it with the dust of the Earth to create a female lungfish.

In the beginning, there were a few billion years of speciation and gene drift. And then nothing. And then, God made the lungfish and the trilobites, the ichthyosaurs and ammonoids with more complex suture patterns. He also made a couple new ferns.

And the Lord saw that these slight modifications were good, and allowed evolution to resume as normal in the Jurassic period and on up to the present day.

Now that I've inarguably proven the truth, we need to take a stand against these pseudoscientists who are misrepresenting 300-million-year-old fossils as 230-million-year-old fossils and claiming the Earth is 44 million years and 51 weeks older than it really is.

We need to get the Triassic period expunged from our public schools' evolutionary textbooks. I don't want my children to be exposed to this blasphemous Triassic garbage, and I assume you don't want your children to be, either. They need to know that God is watching over them always, and that he has a plan for each and every one of them?a nonlinear, probabilistic plan he set in motion more than three billion years ago with single-celled organisms, ended with a group of small, lizard-like herbivores, infused with a bunch of miracles, and then restarted.

We can no longer ignore the empirical evidence
 
Why exactly does it even matter if they think that man is 6000 years old, or that the Earth is 6000 years old...? Are one not just as rediculous as the other?

I submit that it is! 😛
 
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