The first Obama/Wright attack ad shows up

[Lemon law]

I have heard that even McCain is denouncing the ad which is a better position than GWB took when Kerry got swift boated in 2004. But I would submit that any Presidential candidate should have a good handle on the range of thought in this country. And be willing to talk to all sides. How can a Hagee be any more offensive than a Rev Wright.

But if there was any country in the world that was heading for a meltdown, it had to be South Africa. And then they turned to a fellow who had been jailed for most of his life by the name of Nelson Mendella.

Somehow, South Africa came through to experience quite well. If Obama can be just anywhere close to a Nelson Mendella, the next four years should be a quite positive experience.

Or do we want another GHB, whose idea of a poverty program was to reduce capital gains taxes so the poor can cash in those big stock portfolio's they did not have.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

This is an ad that is being run by NC's Republican Party in their gubenatorial campaign against two Democratic candidates, NOT by the RNC in the national election.

I think you need to read the following:

Dear Chairman Daves,

From the beginning of this election, I have been committed to running a respectful campaign based upon an honest debate about the great issues confronting America today. I expect all state parties to do so as well. The television advertisement you are planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have with the Democrats. In the strongest terms, I implore you to not run this advertisement.

This ad does not live up to the very high standards we should hold ourselves to in this campaign. We need to run a campaign that is worthy of the people we seek to serve. There is no doubt that we will draw sharp contrasts with the Democrats on fundamental issues critical to the future course of our country. But we need not engage in political tactics that only seek to divide the American people.

Once again, it is imperative that you withdraw this offensive advertisement.

John McCain

The RNC and McCain want this ad stopped.

Now, some have said that it could all be some sort of orchestrated sneaky strategy on McCain's part; but I believe that theory takes a leap of faith - or a lack thereof - concerning McCain's personal character. I honestly believe that McCain himself rejects this ad.

And I'm still an Obama supporter, so....

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Or do we want another GHB, whose idea of a poverty program was to reduce capital gains taxes so the poor can cash in those big stock portfolio's they did not have.

/offtopic

Just an FYI, regardless of who was effected, the lowering of the capital gains taxes worked out quite well for the Government itself -- lowering them actually led to higher capital gains tax revenues.

/ontopic

I think we'll be fine with Obama or McCain, which is why I so badly wish to see the general election be between the two of them...

 

[Jhhnn]

Nice splitting of the hairs, Palehorse. McCain's "denouncement" means little, given that it'll get spread far and wide, having the desired effect, by the likes of our OP...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice splitting of the hairs, Palehorse. McCain's "denouncement" means little, given that it'll get spread far and wide, having the desired effect, by the likes of our OP...

The OP did not turn this bullshit ad into news, the MSM did.

Also, if you respect McCain, which I do, then his personal denouncement is meaningful to me.

 

[OrByte]

This ad was sent out by the NC GOP and for the GOP in NC. But it is testing the waters.

McCain has no personal character. He flip flops on abortion, he flip flops on Bush's tax cuts, he flip flops on illegal immigration, on gun control...blablablablabla etc etc.

he even admits to compromising his own principles in order to win votes.

McCain may have IN THE PAST been a man with character and principles. Now not so much.

/end threadjack

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
link

McCain and the national Republican Party has denounced this ad being run by the North Carolina Party, but I think it is a hint of things to come.

It will most likely not be the RNC running ads like this in the fall, but outside groups like the Swiftboat Vets.

I'm not a big fan of the ad myself. It is one thing to tie Obama and Wright, but another to take that tie and try to throw it around other candidates. But I am sure the Democrats will be doing everything they can to tie Bush to every Republican in the country so...

If those (R)'s you're speaking of were rubber stamping Bush's policies then they deserve to be painted with the same brush used for Bush.

 

[Moonbeam]

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Craig234
Obama and Wright pale as an issue to McCain and Hagee..

Once again, Craig shows his support for some of the most foul human beings on the planet.

McCain has not sat in Hagee's church for 20 years.
McCain has not considered Hagee a close spiritual advisor.
Hagee has not called the United State the "United States of KKK A"
Hagee never claimed 9/11 was an inside job
Hagee is not a racist bigot

1. Where did Craig 'support' Wright?

2. Obama has already stated he doesn't agree with Wright's 'radical' views and I doubt the snippets we've seen in MSM and YouTube were going on regularly in this church..

3. I don't think Wright being a 'spiritual advisor' has anything to do with Obama's ability to lead the country. If there is evidence I'm wrong please show me and I'll look at it.

4. It's very convenient of you to condemn a black man for saying 'US of KKKA'. Racism may be less than it once was but it is still a reality. I know several people who are very racist against blacks. I don't think Wright should have said what he did but it's not like there isn't basis for it.

5. Hagee claimed Katrina was God punishing New Orleans because of gays.

6. Hagee is a bigot. See #5.

7. Hagee has endorsed Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. McCain said, "I?m very proud to have Pastor Hagee?s support."

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Butterbean
"it's weird... I started out more or less on the fence between Hillary, Barack, and McCain, leaning slightly towards the democrats because of gay issues, despite my general disagreement with their positions on the war.

and the more shit I read on these forums from Obama supporters, the harder it is for me to picture myself voting for him. "


The libs who defend guys like Bernie Ward (had sex with his own kids) are the nastiest of all - especially if their prescription is running low. I can see why mods keep posting about foul stuff in here.

What kind of anti American garbage condemns somebody before they have gone to trial, as if you had any real idea. You're just another brain dead bot spouting off.

Well, I'll admit I'd never even heard of Bernie Ward. So I looked him up. And after looking for information on his case, he's indicted on child pornography charges. Your accusation of "had sex with his own kids" comes from an internet chat conversation fantasy. Which, while fucked up, everyone admits was not true. He isn't even being charged on it and is allowed contact with his 4 kids. So how about we not sensationalize things and make claims about stuff that didn't actually happen. We're not Bill O'reilly here, we don't have to blatantly lie to try to make our point. Because unlike the people who listen to Bill, we'll actually look stuff up instead of blindly listen to what someone says. I should also mention that it took alot of searching to even find mention of that, and only found 1 article that even mentioned it.

And then there's the fact that has always bothered me of trying to say that because someone is associated with someone else, that they must be just as bad as that someone else. McCain has associated himself with and agreed far too much with Bush. But while I don't entirely like McCain, I know he's not the raving retard that Bush is. And most of you who attack Obama's associations probably voted for George W. Fine, if we wanna do association, W's grandfather was a known Nazi collaborater.

I really can go on and on about how big of jackasses it seems some people are being, but I'm gonna stop here.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hagee?

We might as well count the entire Catholic vote in the Democrat column.

How is it that the candidate who has NOT renounced the MORE RADICAL AND OFFENSIVE views of the pastor whose endorsement he sought is not the issue?

Obama and Wright pale as an issue to McCain and Hagee..

If you want an example of incredibly distorted, biased, idiotic prioritization of the issues based on partisanship, look no further than the wrong weighing between those two issues here.

There is a difference between "not renouncing" some cook supporters views, and saying that some racist wacko is your "moral compass" and your "source of guidance". The first is simply the usual case of a politician conveniently ignoring the nutty things someone has said when it comes time to take their money and votes. The second demonstrates a scary lack of judgment....

You mean like those who follow the Christian God and his righteous vengeance and the jerk who scattered the money tables? The Romans were really hot for a while there about electing people who went to that church. Now, of course, they see those types as Neanderthals tilting at windmills produced from a state of bigotry.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hagee?

We might as well count the entire Catholic vote in the Democrat column.

How is it that the candidate who has NOT renounced the MORE RADICAL AND OFFENSIVE views of the pastor whose endorsement he sought is not the issue?

Obama and Wright pale as an issue to McCain and Hagee..

If you want an example of incredibly distorted, biased, idiotic prioritization of the issues based on partisanship, look no further than the wrong weighing between those two issues here.

There is a difference between "not renouncing" some cook supporters views, and saying that some racist wacko is your "moral compass" and your "source of guidance". The first is simply the usual case of a politician conveniently ignoring the nutty things someone has said when it comes time to take their money and votes. The second demonstrates a scary lack of judgment....

You mean like those who follow the Christian God and his righteous vengeance and the jerk who scattered the money tables? The Romans were really hot for a while there about electing people who went to that church. Now, of course, they see those types as Neanderthals tilting at windmills produced from a state of bigotry.

Yes that one, i guess .. the perfect 'jerk' [your words] who lost his temper and ran screaming at the top of his lungs; running through the Temple courtyard like a madman, with a premeditated Whip made from braided ropes as he struck out at all the permitted merchants who were there "lawfully" ?
--the same one that was convicted of sedition against the Roman Empire and also for blaspheming his god - the same one who was executed by the Romans by hanging on a stake or tree?
-that one?
:Q

Why must your god die for you?


Windmills are fixed .. you don't "tilt" at them like the dimwitted and demented Don; instead - if a windmill is in your way - try a can of gas and a match ... or if you are timid stay back and fire burning arrows from a distance

adaptive planning trumps brute force and purpose

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Robor
3. I don't think Wright being a 'spiritual advisor' has anything to do with Obama's ability to lead the country. If there is evidence I'm wrong please show me and I'll look at it."

Do you think Hagee's endorsement has anything to do with McCain's ability to lead the country?

. Hagee has endorsed Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. McCain said, "I?m very proud to have Pastor Hagee?s support."

Having someone's support is a far cry from basing the title of your autobiography on someone's writings or teachings.
Also, I don't see Obama backing away from Wright (or maybe I missed that)


In my view blaming Katrina on gays or 9-11 on our own actions are both despicable and it would better if both of these men were no where near a Presidential candidate. But given that they both are I think Obama's relationship with Wright speaks far more about him than McCain's relationship with Hagee. Especially when you consider the fact that McCain is viewed as a secularist and is not closely related to the Christian right.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism.

That statement couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism.

Haha, You're an absolute idiot if you think that purple defines what Jhhnn said. Of course we don't really need that proof.

I was about to thank you Jhhnn for having the patients and verbal skills to lay out truth as you did. So often I just don't have the will to do so in the face of the endless stream of brain dead fools that post here.

One of the features of self hate is that it its an infection that works using unconscious self destruction to vicariously get back to bad feelings. The self hater lives in terror of the actual memory of what happened to them, so they create an erzots situation in which they can feel the same thing. The pig creates a sty wherever it is just by shitting.

 

[Caminetto]

The ad is an indication that Republicans fear Obama. They would rather go against Hillary and the ad was to effect the North Carolina primary.

There are many videos of Wright's preaching and 99% of them would seem fine with 99% of the people. The day that Wright displays some human frailty while getting too much caffeine is somehow a reflection on Obama.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
But I am sure the Democrats will be doing everything they can to tie Bush to every Republican in the country so...

No, just McCain. And for good reason. When you flip-flop as hard and fast as he did, I don't see how you can't tie the two together.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Robor
3. I don't think Wright being a 'spiritual advisor' has anything to do with Obama's ability to lead the country. If there is evidence I'm wrong please show me and I'll look at it."

Do you think Hagee's endorsement has anything to do with McCain's ability to lead the country?

[/quote]

No, I don't. At least no more than Obama's 'relationship' with Wright. I only mentioned this because Corbett's post.

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Robor

. Hagee has endorsed Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. McCain said, "I?m very proud to have Pastor Hagee?s support."

Having someone's support is a far cry from basing the title of your autobiography on someone's writings or teachings.
Also, I don't see Obama backing away from Wright (or maybe I missed that)

In my view blaming Katrina on gays or 9-11 on our own actions are both despicable and it would better if both of these men were no where near a Presidential candidate. But given that they both are I think Obama's relationship with Wright speaks far more about him than McCain's relationship with Hagee. Especially when you consider the fact that McCain is viewed as a secularist and is not closely related to the Christian right.

His autobiography is about him and his life - not Wright. I don't think book titles mean much and it's not like the title was offensive. Here's what Obama said about backing away from Wright >> LINK I don't agree with a lot of the things Wright said but I don't have a problem with Obama explanation and relationship with him. I think if this relationship was going to have an anti-white or anti-American influence on Obama we would have seen it by now.

 

[jpeyton]

Hagee's Greatest Hits

All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing.

Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick.

Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist.

As a nation, America is under the curse of God.

If you live your life and don't confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I'm going to say this very plainly, you're going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket.

As millions of people anticipate the release of the latest Harry Potter book and film, we're reminded once again of Satan's ongoing attempt to deceive and destroy. The whole purpose of the Potter books is to desensitize readers and introduce them to the occult.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hagee's Greatest Hits

All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing.

Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick.

Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist.

As a nation, America is under the curse of God.

If you live your life and don't confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I'm going to say this very plainly, you're going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket.

As millions of people anticipate the release of the latest Harry Potter book and film, we're reminded once again of Satan's ongoing attempt to deceive and destroy. The whole purpose of the Potter books is to desensitize readers and introduce them to the occult.

# of years McCain considered Hagee his spiritual advisor = 0
# of McCain authored books named after Hagee sermons = 0
# of years McCain attened Hagee's church with his family = 0

This is not comparable, and I'm a dem.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism.

That statement couldn't be more wrong.

I assume you're reading from the published paper where the genetic sequence has been decoded that prevents some and requires others of being racist?

Oh you're not; until then my statement stands as correct.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
The ad is an indication that Republicans fear Obama. They would rather go against Hillary and the ad was to effect the North Carolina primary.

There are many videos of Wright's preaching and 99% of them would seem fine with 99% of the people. The day that Wright displays some human frailty while getting too much caffeine is somehow a reflection on Obama.

Bingo! :thumbsup:

 

[JS80]

I could have produced a better video.

The only worry I have is this type of thing backfiring. I think McCain can win without the swiftboating but in the end I would probably support the swiftboating of Obama.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism.

That statement couldn't be more wrong.

I assume you're reading from the published paper where the genetic sequence has been decoded that prevents some and requires others of being racist?

Oh you're not; until then my statement stands as correct.

If you don't think a child raised in a racist environment by racist people isn't more prone to be racist themselves then you're an idiot.