The final screwing by the boomers...

[Moonbeam]

As much as I despised Tricky Dick, he inherited that war...

I don't blame Nixon. All the wars that have happened in my life since I became an adult are my fault. I am not awake enough to work 100% to stop them from happening. I don't know how to love that much.

 

[BoomerD]

Just like a millennial...link to cartoons...

 

[JSt0rm]

Just like a millennial...link to cartoons...

fucking lol. you are dumb.

 

[JSt0rm]

this is your speed boomer...

 

[Moonbeam]

Just like a millennial...link to cartoons...

Hehe, I couldn't figure is he took them seriously or thought they were seriously satirical but on either front they struck me as deeply absurd in the first case and totally irrelevant to the question of free will if the latter. You can't tell a machine it's a machine if it's running a program that tells it it is real.

 

[JSt0rm]

Hehe, I couldn't figure is he took them seriously or thought they were seriously satirical but on either front they struck me as deeply absurd in the first case and totally irrelevant to the question of free will if the latter. You can't tell a machine it's a machine if it's running a program that tells it it is real.

you should watch the free will one until you understand what he is saying. I mean if you want to claim there is no such thing as free will you need to present an argument that hasnt been presented in the last 5000 years. good luck.

 

[glenn1]

That's not very prescient or even honest. There's a whole generation between Boomers & the Greatest generation, people who came of age between 1946 & 1964, people too young to have played a role in WW2. They & the GG elected Reagan, which is when it all started. The oldest Boomers were only 34 & the vast majority under 30 in 1980. They youngest weren't even old enough to vote.

It's important to understand that a lot of older Boomers developed a certain contempt for govt in general, largely because of the Draft & the WoD, particularly the war on marijuana & psychedelics. They were primed for the anti-gubmint pitch of right wing think tanks & media influence outfits that proliferated over the next couple of decades. Many have been deceived as a result of that.

There's a lot of bitterness, too, because lots of Boomers don't have it nearly as good as they'd hoped. Not at all. Retirement means poverty for many. They did the best they knew how with what they had & got screwed by the system they believed in. Every time they started to catch up from the last economic whoop-tee-doo they got hit by another.

Oh give it a rest. You really don't give a fvck what generation people belong to, the only thing you care about is "how much money do they have" and if it's above some pre-determined limit you've self-defined then you want to take most of it away. They could be Boomers, X, Millenials, Silent Generation, hell the founding fathers. You're like Bernie Sanders if he decided to post on a message board instead of playing the "yelling at clouds" role in debates.

 

[Moonbeam]

you should watch the free will one until you understand what he is saying. I mean if you want to claim there is no such thing as free will you need to present an argument that hasnt been presented in the last 5000 years. good luck.

Why? You’re here with the misunderstanding that you have seen and understand and would recognize and are capable of evaluating every argument made in the last 5000 years and I am saying that you are a sleepwalking machine based simply on a flash if intuitive integration I had years and years ago that turned me inside out and upside down, ending at that instant my capacity for existential suffering, for which words like dying and being reborn, or awakening from sleep, or entering a state of being, or defeating the nothing and many other things hint at just that ineffable something and thus seem right to me.

I only suggested that you are not aware of what you feel and that as a result are unaware of what motivates you, and further that what you really feel is that you are the worst person in the world, which, going back on my promise to tell you nothing further without you paying me, is the source of your need to externalize those feelings and hold them at arms length, keep them out of conscious awareness, by projecting them out there on the worst generation on whom you can now justify dumping that hate.

Are you possessed by demons, did you have a moment when you weren’t yourself, have you undergone psychotherapy, been to a rave, had a trip? This understanding there is something out there threatening to take us over, the dragons we used to place in the unknowns on ancient maps all speak to this as well as endless stories and myths like the ugly duckling, Snow White, Jason and the Golden Fleece, and other heroes’ journeys to defeat that thing.

You have to believe in free will in order for you to attribute blame to others in order to justify your hate for them, in order, in turn, not to feel the real object of that hate, your self, and you will not see it because you in your heart of hearts, meaning at an unconscious level of feeling that is what you believe is true. And all your defensiveness here toward me is the result of the feeling that it is I who wants you to feel that way.

But no, it isn’t I who wants you to feel that way but I who knows you already do and because of your denial you are not fully alive. So friend, wake up if you can or file it away. You can’t make yourself wake up because the you you call you is the sleeper. But the seeking and accumulation of understanding cap put you out on a road that increases the chance you can get run down by Grace. Sweet sweet surrender.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Bonzai, not a few of us Boomers just watched the Vietnam War from the comfort of our living room tv...some were "invited" to attend in person, others went voluntarily.

I kept my head in the books with my student deferment, then felt guilty about walking between the raindrops for years, seeing my friends waking up in puddles of sweat and screaming at the top of their lungs for hearing the sound of a .45 at close range in their dreams. When I finally took a close look at Elsberg's publication and the declassifications that later confirmed it, my sheepish guilt turned to anger. Rage.

Sooner or later, I'm going to give myself an effing heart attack . . .

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If you want to show the opposite regarding free will you have to do the same thing. BTW the Boomers you hate were screwed by the not so greatest generation and their retirements seized which is why Social Security is so important to them and there was Vietnam. But the prior generation was screwed by WWII where Europeans of that age aka the Axis, but they only had that war because the prior generation had WWi and that awful punishment called a treaty, but before that....

What the blamers fail to consider is that you will be judged as harshly because you WILLfuck up and it's not automatically your fault no more than ANY generation you care to name and it's not a matter of free will but the inherent inability of anything or anyone to predict future consequences. You may make what seems to be the best choices and 30 years down the road things may be worse for them. Then the next generation (or some of them) will blame you just as you blame others with an imperfect crystal ball and you'll think how foolish that is once you have had years and years to think about it.

In 2020 there will be only 4 in 10 potential voters over the age of 56 and the rest will be from younger generations. A friggin 60% majority so Trump will be toast, you won't fuck up health care, you'll toss Moscow Mitch and adopt AOC's imperative on the elimination of greenhouse gasses in less than a generation.

You'll of course will do that because you will have the power to toss out the old and bring in people better than all that came before them.

Well, I hope you do.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh give it a rest. You really don't give a fvck what generation people belong to, the only thing you care about is "how much money do they have" and if it's above some pre-determined limit you've self-defined then you want to take most of it away. They could be Boomers, X, Millenials, Silent Generation, hell the founding fathers. You're like Bernie Sanders if he decided to post on a message board instead of playing the "yelling at clouds" role in debates.

What is that cold slimy thing that has attached itself to your spine and is leaching some sort oh paralytic poison into your nervous system iand has a suckery protuberance extracting dollars from your wallet?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

If you want to show the opposite regarding free will you have to do the same thing. BTW the Boomers you hate were screwed by the not so greatest generation and their retirements seized which is why Social Security is so important to them and there was Vietnam. But the prior generation was screwed by WWII where Europeans of that age aka the Axis, but they only had that war because the prior generation had WWi and that awful punishment called a treaty, but before that....

What the blamers fail to consider is that you will be judged as harshly because you WILLfuck up and it's not automatically your fault no more than ANY generation you care to name and it's not a matter of free will but the inherent inability of anything or anyone to predict future consequences. You may make what seems to be the best choices and 30 years down the road things may be worse for them. Then the next generation (or some of them) will blame you just as you blame others with an imperfect crystal ball and you'll think how foolish that is once you have had years and years to think about it.

In 2020 there will be only 4 in 10 potential voters over the age of 56 and the rest will be from younger generations. A friggin 60% majority so Trump will be toast, you won't fuck up health care, you'll toss Moscow Mitch and adopt AOC's imperative on the elimination of greenhouse gasses in less than a generation.

You'll of course will do that because you will have the power to toss out the old and bring in people better than all that came before them.

Well, I hope you do.

Heh-heh. Democratic Socialism NOW, Democratic Socialism TOMORROW, Democratic Socialism FOREVER!! Even an asshole like George Wallace is useful for paraphrase.

Is this blame-laying parallel to the malcontents' unwillingness to accept responsibility for climate change? "I didn't do it! I don't want to pay the price for 200-years-worth of dead people"?

There's blame-laying, and there's acceptance of responsibility. The Shirkers want to play the game of laying blame. That game bears Trump's unholy name.

Just woke up. Haven't finished my "Screw Trump and Trumpies" scream out on the hillside patio yet . . . . It's Primal Scream Therapy . . .

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh give it a rest. You really don't give a fvck what generation people belong to, the only thing you care about is "how much money do they have" and if it's above some pre-determined limit you've self-defined then you want to take most of it away. They could be Boomers, X, Millenials, Silent Generation, hell the founding fathers. You're like Bernie Sanders if he decided to post on a message board instead of playing the "yelling at clouds" role in debates.

You're truly diseased. The problem with trickle down economics is that it's a lie. The supposed trickle down simply does not occur. The exact opposite is what's really happened.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

You're truly diseased. The problem with trickle down economics is that it's a lie. The supposed trickle down simply does not occur. The exact opposite is what's really happened.

The Real Trickle Down works like this.

The Federal Level funds states and local governments, paying police, teachers and many others their salaries for public services. This is called "The Multiplier" -- a Keynesian idea that hasn't lost its luster.

Then, people spend that money on everything from cars to breakfast at MacDonald's. The money moves widely throughout the economy. Et cetera. Et Cetera.

The original Trickle Down Believers thought you could leave all the money in the hands of the super-rich, who would buy more yachts and real estate in the Hamptons. Maybe they would hire some illegals working for Merry Maids, some gardeners and bodyguards, and chip in some dog food for those Subaru dogs washing cars. Oh! The super rich don't buy Subarus! I forgot!

 

[Jhhnn]

The Real Trickle Down works like this.

The Federal Level funds states and local governments, paying police, teachers and many others their salaries for public services. This is called "The Multiplier" -- a Keynesian idea that hasn't lost its luster.

Then, people spend that money on everything from cars to breakfast at MacDonald's. The money moves widely throughout the economy. Et cetera. Et Cetera.

The original Trickle Down Believers thought you could leave all the money in the hands of the super-rich, who would buy more yachts and real estate in the Hamptons. Maybe they would hire some illegals working for Merry Maids, some gardeners and bodyguards, and chip in some dog food for those Subaru dogs washing cars. Oh! The super rich don't buy Subarus! I forgot!

Lower taxes! Smaller government! Let the benevolent Job Creators provide!

As if it ever worked that way. They'd bring back slavery if they thought it would be more profitable.

 

[glenn1]

Lower taxes! Smaller government! Let the benevolent Job Creators provide!

As if it ever worked that way. They'd bring back slavery if they thought it would be more profitable.

I've always imagined you look like this at your keyboard when you get all worked up and angry talking about rich people on ATPN when you realize they're better than you.

 

[crashtech]

Bring back slavery, lol.

 

[Moonbeam]

I've always imagined you look like this at your keyboard when you get all worked up and angry talking about rich people on ATPN when you realize they're better than you.

As someone who is constantly reminded of the fact that because I can see into what for others is the dark because I have faced to some degree beyond what they fear to do, to allow my rage to flow and to the point where memories of how that rage was formed kick in, and by expressing in words the insights gained thereby, and subjected to ridicule and contempt for expressing them, I have come to understand very well that when you hold up a mirror to people, to show them what you can now calmly see in yourself, they autonomically accuse you of being angry in the extreme when in fact you know what you knows because you have freed yourself of some of it. People who know the truth are far less angry than people in denial and when that denial is pointed out, then starts the real rage.

You always imagine Jhhnn looking like that at his keyboard........ sure you do. You went out on the web to find a way to insult him because his truth enrages you and you want him to hurt because of it. You should have a care. It's not like there aren't folks out there who can see right throuh you because they can see themselves.

Try to calm down. Everything you fear and are enraged about happened long ago buried deep so you could survive your childhood. You live in a constant state of tension and confrontation because you believe if you relax it will all happen again. But it can't because you are nolonger dependent. Time to live again.

 

[Ajay]

Try to calm down. Everything you fear and are enraged about happened long ago buried deep so you could survive your childhood. You live in a constant state of tension and confrontation because you believe if you relax it will all happen again. But it can't because you are nolonger dependent. Time to live again.

OT, but that can be very difficult for most people, and may be nearly impossible for children who have had to confront trauma at an early age. The walls they had to build are ensconced, literally, in their neural pathways for the rest of their lives. The rage that lies behind those walls cannot be erased, but only handled with positive coping strategies and a restoration of resiliency.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why? You’re here with the misunderstanding that you have seen and understand and would recognize and are capable of evaluating every argument made in the last 5000 years and I am saying that you are a sleepwalking machine based simply on a flash if intuitive integration I had years and years ago that turned me inside out and upside down, ending at that instant my capacity for existential suffering, for which words like dying and being reborn, or awakening from sleep, or entering a state of being, or defeating the nothing and many other things hint at just that ineffable something and thus seem right to me.

I only suggested that you are not aware of what you feel and that as a result are unaware of what motivates you, and further that what you really feel is that you are the worst person in the world, which, going back on my promise to tell you nothing further without you paying me, is the source of your need to externalize those feelings and hold them at arms length, keep them out of conscious awareness, by projecting them out there on the worst generation on whom you can now justify dumping that hate.

Are you possessed by demons, did you have a moment when you weren’t yourself, have you undergone psychotherapy, been to a rave, had a trip? This understanding there is something out there threatening to take us over, the dragons we used to place in the unknowns on ancient maps all speak to this as well as endless stories and myths like the ugly duckling, Snow White, Jason and the Golden Fleece, and other heroes’ journeys to defeat that thing.

You have to believe in free will in order for you to attribute blame to others in order to justify your hate for them, in order, in turn, not to feel the real object of that hate, your self, and you will not see it because you in your heart of hearts, meaning at an unconscious level of feeling that is what you believe is true. And all your defensiveness here toward me is the result of the feeling that it is I who wants you to feel that way.

But no, it isn’t I who wants you to feel that way but I who knows you already do and because of your denial you are not fully alive. So friend, wake up if you can or file it away. You can’t make yourself wake up because the you you call you is the sleeper. But the seeking and accumulation of understanding cap put you out on a road that increases the chance you can get run down by Grace. Sweet sweet surrender.

You demanding that in philosophy we are on a set path is just your view. There are others. I didn’t make a claim one way or the other. You are just mad because people view the generation of the boomers poorly and want to fight over anything. Kind of pathetic for someone who claims to be woke.

 

[Moonbeam]

OT, but that can be very difficult for most people, and may be nearly impossible for children who have had to confront trauma at an early age. The walls they had to build are ensconced, literally, in their neural pathways for the rest of their lives. The rage that lies behind those walls cannot be erased, but only handled with positive coping strategies and a restoration of resiliency.

If I believed that I would say nothing to him. What you suggest appears to be rational, but Grace is a miracle that defies reason. To me all religion is about this one awakening and the promise of faith..... 'Seek and yee will find' or as I read of the Sufis, 'nobody gets in trouble who goes straight ahead'.

And even just knowing that one's rage isn't about what we imagine, if taken as factual, changes how we identify with what we feel. We have a real option to believe in our self deception or recognize that is our constant reality and separate from taking ourselves seriously. We are a joke we can learn to laugh at.

 

[JSt0rm]

If I believed that I would say nothing to him. What you suggest appears to be rational, but Grace is a miracle that defies reason. To me all religion is about this one awakening and the promise of faith..... 'Seek and yee will find' or as I read of the Sufis, 'nobody gets in trouble who goes straight ahead'.

And even just knowing that one's rage isn't about what we imagine, if taken as factual, changes how we identify with what we feel. We have a real option to believe in our self deception or recognize that is our constant reality and separate from taking ourselves seriously. We are a joke we can learn to laugh at.

im not the one that needs to calm down. You boomers freaking out that your generation is being criticized are the ones that need to calm down. How many boomers claim that millenials are entiitled and lazy Snowflakes? Those statements are based on boomer feeling and not on any real metrics. Criticism of boomers is based on real metrics.

 

[Ajay]

We are a joke we can learn to laugh at.

Well, not exactly a joke. I like the comment made by a friend of mine's spiritual director in seminary "don't take yourself to seriously, and don't take God too seriously, but take the fact that God takes you seriously, seriously".

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Lower taxes! Smaller government! Let the benevolent Job Creators provide!

As if it ever worked that way. They'd bring back slavery if they thought it would be more profitable.

Letting my emotional turmoil settle down after the morning news, I think it's fair to say this: Democrats -- perhaps even fence-sitting independents -- want their tax dollars spent with reasonable care on good government. The GOP and the Right want no taxes and no government. . . . and they want to have the right and opportunity to treat everyone else as prey in the jungle . . .

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I've always imagined you look like this at your keyboard when you get all worked up and angry talking about rich people on ATPN when you realize they're better than you.

50-cal bullets penetrate rich people as easily as the poor.

So they're not better. And frankly, I think there is a time for MLK Creative Non-Violence, and there's a time for John Brown.

I go into grocery stores these days and shout "Support Iran against the Traitor and Criminal Donald Trump, and Deport the Base to their home galaxy!" Today I was looking for a baseball bat worthy of my fiendish plan to commit self-defense. Went into TARGET to investigate the "sports" aisle.

No wonder America is lower than crocodile piss now. You got your Great Satan Trump in the White House, and the baseball bats they sell kids these days are lighter than air and painted sissy colors.

We played hardball when I was seven years old! What kind of sissy ball do they play today?