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<< and they are still not as fast as an american muscle car >>



s2k

14.2/98.1

stang GT

14.6/95.4


Huh, look at that, the s2k has a lower qmile time and a higher trap speed. That is the criteria for faster right? Or did you mean that american cars get oil leaks faster? 😛 😉

 
I know EXACTLY where you are... another anal retentive a$$hole living and going to school in another anal retentive SUCKA$$ COLLEGE TOWN about as bad as BEZERKELEY...why don't you go call your mama and tell her you you need some more money so you can afford a REAL education

Kamiam,

i'm no longer going to resort to childish tactics and name calling because then i'd be on your level. you obviously have the mind of a 10 year old. let me ask you, have you ever been to college? if so, which one? in any case, while i'm on my way to ucla's business school next year at Anderson (i take it you don't know that is), just remember that you will be serving my children hamburgers in the future at a mcdonalds.

btw, i love anal retentive SUCKA$$ COLLEGE TOWN about as bad as BEZERKELEY. this is the best line from you so far. it just truly shows the amount of ignorance that you have.

you are nothing to me.
 


<< 14.2/98.1 >>

and muscle cars usually start out faster than that and w/ the same type of mods will be even faster
and muscle cars pretty mich went the way of the dinasours back in '74 w/the oil crisis


<< btw, i love anal retentive SUCKA$$ COLLEGE TOWN about as bad as BEZERKELEY. this is the best line from you so far. it just truly shows the amount of ignorance that you have. you are nothing to me >>

and you are something to me??????

just trying to put it into words you can understand,,,wasn't sure if you knew what the word RETENTIVE meant





btw get a clue..neither are ivy league, now are they??specifically Davis


<< ), just remember that you will be serving my children hamburgers in the future at a mcdonalds. >>

wrong again bubba
 
Haha whatever credibility you had was just lost Kamiam. Hell I already gave you the benefit of the doubt... you cry about being insulted and then you turn around and do it yourself. Loser :|

 
Outersquare...why not step one column to your left


<< 14.0/101.3 >>

For the Camero Z28....that beats the S2k and actually has some Torque to.

The GT is a crappy car 😛
heheheeh 😉
 


<< and muscle cars usually start out faster than that and w/ the same type of mods will be even faster >>



That s2k was bone stock. Besides, last time I checked mustang GT was considered an american muscle car. Heck those aren't even built in canada yet. Oh that's right, you get to cherry pick your cars. Maybe I should go to japan and cherry pick a tweaked skyline GT-R that will smoke those antique '70s muscle cars in every way possible (qmile, road tracks, handling, stopping, 0-100-0, wet weather handling, reliability, top speed, comfort, etc.)
 


<< For the Camero Z28....that beats the S2k and actually has some Torque to. >>



Huh, 14.0 vs 14.2 sec is 4% difference. That's driving skill and ambient conditions right there.

Funny how you muscle car people talk about torque so much. Tanks put out thousands of lb/ft of torque and they are slow as ass. Race bikes put out almost nothing for torque and they'll still smoke your muscle cars 😛

Torque means nothing if your car is still slow 😛
 
Be careful what you say. A stock R32 Skyline GT-R will run a 13.1. A stock R-33 GT-R will run a 13.3. A stock R34 GT-R will run a 13.4. Why? Added weight and all that good stuff. Now add a boost controller, downpipe, exhaust and you'll be good to go for low 12s 🙂


<< That s2k was bone stock. Besides, last time I checked mustang GT was considered an american muscle car. Heck those aren't even built in canada yet. Oh that's right, you get to cherry pick your cars. Maybe I should go to japan and cherry pick a tweaked skyline GT-R that will smoke those antique '70s muscle cars in every way possible (qmile, road tracks, handling, stopping, 0-100-0, wet weather handling, reliability, top speed, comfort, etc.) >>

 
Radeon


<< Haha whatever credibility you had was just lost Kamiam. Hell I already gave you the benefit of the doubt... you cry about being insulted and then you turn around and do it yourself. Loser >>



if you read thru the post he was the one that started the insults I just retorted in kind IDIOT
 


<< Be careful what you say. A stock R32 Skyline GT-R will run a 13.1. A stock R-33 GT-R will run a 13.3. A stock R34 GT-R will run a 13.4. Why? Added weight and all that good stuff. Now add a boost controller, downpipe, exhaust and you'll be good to go for low 12s >>



I have a video right here of a skyline running 9.1/151

The skyline is what civics dream to be when they grow up 😉
 


<< That s2k was bone stock >>


and a Mclearon F1(spelling?) is bone stock as well
that car weighs in @ a whopping 2700 lbs...where as a musclecar is 4000 lbs...makes a huge difference
 
Outersquare - I have no doubt that a Skyline can run a 9sec 1/4. Its exteremely modified tho.

Kamiam - if you don't want to be insulted try discussing this in a rational manner instead of bursting out with name calling and other childish phrases.
 
When did I ever say Torque was useful without horsepower?

I prefer a low-revving higher torque engine to generate horsepower. And the torque is helpful at lower revs.

The little japanese engines make their horsepower with no torque and high revs and that's fine. It still works. It's how F1 cars do it.

It depends what you want to use the car for, Torque can be totally useless in race situations.

And since when is a Z28 slow?

4% sure whatever...it still beat the S2k didn't it? Maybe it's just driver and road conditions....but still the S2k isn't significantly faster.

I didn't call the S2k slow....

And FYI I was actually making fun of the Mustang GT more than the S2k. The S2k and the Z28 aren't really that comparable Torque-wise they do things totally differently.
The Mustang tries to stand up to the Camero with the same design ideas, but fails miserably 😉
 


<< I have no doubt that a Skyline can run a 9sec 1/4. Its exteremely modified tho. >>



How do you know? You nor I looked under the hood. Nissan derates the engine so that they can sell it in japan, to avoid a tax of death.

Heck, alot of competitions in japan have barred cars based on the skyline cause they were owning everything else :Q

 
How do I know? Name a STOCK PRODUCTION car that can run 9second 1/4s 🙂 😛

Nissan simply makes the engine more restrictive. Once you open up the flow and the turbos can breath easier, you get a lot more boooooost out of it 😀



<< How do you know? You nor I looked under the hood. Nissan derates the engine so that they can sell it in japan, to avoid a tax of death. >>

 
dafatha00


<< you're an ignorant fsck you know that, i don't even have to argue with you >>



Radeon


<< Kamiam - if you don't want to be insulted try discussing this in a rational manner instead of bursting out with name calling and other childish phrases >>


up until that point I was...and by the way I respond in kind deal w/ it or ignore it
 


<< When did I ever say Torque was useful without horsepower? >>



Tanks make thousands of hp and they are still slow as ass. Cars are a solution, it is a final product of thousands of engineering decisions. The thing with the muscle car mentality is that it is about numbers, how much hp/torque you put out, how fast you run the qmile. It tends to ignore things like handling, daily drivability, gas mileage, power to weight ratio, etc.

Sure there is that element of nostalgia, but I'm all about new, well designed technology and looking at the whole solution. If they can safely build a good car powered by a electricity, hydrogen, fusion reactor, etc. I will drive it.




<< And FYI I was actually making fun of the Mustang GT more than the S2k. The S2k and the Z28
aren't really that comparable Torque-wise they do things totally differently. >>



Ok had to get that straightened out 😉
 


<< How do I know? Name a STOCK PRODUCTION car that can run 9second 1/4s >>



Right, but what I am saying is that it is easier to make a skyline go that fast, when compared to most cars.
 


<<

<< When did I ever say Torque was useful without horsepower? >>



Tanks make thousands of hp and they are still slow as ass. Cars are a solution, it is a final product of thousands of engineering decisions. The thing with the muscle car mentality is that it is about numbers, how much hp/torque you put out, how fast you run the qmile. It tends to ignore things like handling, daily drivability, gas mileage, power to weight ratio, etc.



 >>



Frightliners signature semi has a 350 HP engine, that produces 15,000 ft-lbs of torque. You need both torque and HP to move a vehicle. Also, Outersqaure, i think you made a mistake when you quoted that tanks have thousands of HP, they have thousands of ft-lbs of torquw.

On the other hand, no one can argue with Kamian, since he refuses to listen to waht anyone says. Muscle cars are godlike in his mind. Me, i prefer to be able to turn my car when driving, and i like technology, which really knocks muslce cars out of my dream vehicles.
 
Anyone else that can't wait for the Lancer Evo VII to come to the U.S.?? <drool> =)

Personally, I'd take it over an Impreza WRX Sti though.
 


<< Also, Outersqaure, i think you made a mistake when you quoted that tanks have thousands of HP, they have thousands of ft-lbs of torquw. >>



Yeah I was exaggerating, tanks do make up to 1000 hp, but not in the thousands.

soviet tank

The M1s do put out over a thousand hp though.
 


<< It tends to ignore things like handling, daily drivability, gas mileage, power to weight ratio, etc. >>

Fair enough...and if you look at my previous posts you'll see I mentioned alot of the better japanese cars for those kind areas.

The muscle car is about straight-line acceleration. That's what they are FOR. No one will claim a Mustang has good handling...hell the Mustang doesn't even have IRS! About the only american car that really has respectable handling are the Corvettes. And even those would get their asses handed to them by many European and Japanese sports cars handling wise.

I never said I'd like to drive a muscle car, I don't and I wouldn't. And for handling they are a joke. And gas mileage is ridiculous. I'd like a little torque becuase off the line push is fun, but really it's not that important.

Besides...we all know the best car is the Audi RS4...😉

Hmmm Nascar or F1...which is more fun to watch 😉

 


<< Hmmm Nascar or F1...which is more fun to watch >>



So true

I feel dumber watching nascar races. I assume it is the stigma.
 
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