The fall of CNN fake news

[snarfbot]

Doesn't pointing out shitty people mean that you have experience with being one yourself?

Doesn't it take one to know one?

But do go on praising yourself and your fellow tribesmen and tribeswomen. You guys here engage in these tribal wars constantly yet claim you are intellectually superior. If you were, there would be no need for you to continually battle with your lesser opponents. You kind of bring yourself down to their level when you bicker with them constantly.

look man, i appreciate what youre trying to do here, and i think youre raising an interesting point, but that is one that would be best served in its own thread. if you want to make one id be happy to contribute from the position of a conservative but here in this thread all your posts are doing is adding noise to the signal, and encouraging more responses from those who dont really want to have a conversation or debate.

 

[agent00f]

while ill allow that it possible that anonymous sources can provide good testimony, until that is resolved it shouldnt be 24/7 news on cnn. also you should look at the op which provides proof that cnn is not a trustworthy source, like those others you mentioned in your post.

Seems to me you're more than aware that O'keefe makes fake videos, but don't care as characteristic of degenerates.

Doesn't pointing out shitty people mean that you have experience with being one yourself?

Doesn't it take one to know one?

But do go on praising yourself and your fellow tribesmen and tribeswomen. You guys here engage in these tribal wars constantly yet claim you are intellectually superior. If you were, there would be no need for you to continually battle with your lesser opponents. You kind of bring yourself down to their level when you bicker with them constantly.

No, I can point out a car without any experience of being a car myself. I also at times point out a certain type of car vs another to others due to some knowledge about cars, and I suspect you're not liable to accuse me of bring myself down to the level of cars in those instances because they don't fit your personal political narrative.

 

[raildogg]

This is what happens when the people of a democracy outsource their responsibility as citizens to media corporations. Infotainment. Americans are fed a steady stream of fear mongering bait in ALL their media (not just CNN) to keep a consistent level of anxiety going. Unfortunately some voters cannot figure out that they have been conned by the corporate politicians. They are so empty inside they get their self worth from a political party.

That is what was all over the news yesterday: Koch tells congress they will with hold the money purse until they get their tax cuts and implement the health death bill. Other voters know that their political sports team are liars and beholden to corporation but they will never admit it. They just ignore the facts and focus on stuff like this and do not call out their own lying news source, their own corrupt reps.and Trump. There used to be a whole genre of investigative journalism. Unfortunately things have changed & many would prefer to be famous propagandists in the corporate infotainment industry instead of honest journalists.

Yes sir! Also, the so-called "alt" news is also heavily controlled yet people believe that it is more legit than the mainstream news.

The media's purpose is to con and manipulate the masses and they've succeeded.

 

[raildogg]

look man, i appreciate what youre trying to do here, and i think youre raising an interesting point, but that is one that would be best served in its own thread. if you want to make one id be happy to contribute from the position of a conservative but here in this thread all your posts are doing is adding noise to the signal, and encouraging more responses from those who dont really want to have a conversation or debate.

Ok, no problem. If I do participate here I will stick to the topic. Sorry.

 

[agent00f]

look man, i appreciate what youre trying to do here, and i think youre raising an interesting point, but that is one that would be best served in its own thread. if you want to make one id be happy to contribute from the position of a conservative but here in this thread all your posts are doing is adding noise to the signal, and encouraging more responses from those who dont really want to have a conversation or debate.

Conservatives trying to pretend a complete piece of shit like O'keefe isn't cut from the same cloth as themselves is hardly signal.

This is what happens when the people of a democracy outsource their responsibility as citizens to media corporations. Infotainment. Americans are fed a steady stream of fear mongering bait in ALL their media (not just CNN) to keep a consistent level of anxiety going. Unfortunately some voters cannot figure out that they have been conned by the corporate politicians. They are so empty inside they get their self worth from a political party.

That is what was all over the news yesterday: Koch tells congress they will with hold the money purse until they get their tax cuts and implement the health care bill. Other voters know that their political sports team are liars and beholden to corporation but they will never admit it. They just ignore the facts and focus on stuff like this and do not call out their own lying news source, their own corrupt reps. and Trump. There used to be a whole genre of investigative journalism. Unfortunately things have changed & many would prefer to be famous propagandists in the corporate infotainment industry instead of honest journalists.

Capitalist motivation of managers aside, most journalists do tend to desire completing a competent professional job. I mean, even at fox where they try pretty hard to hire hacks there are some decent respectable ones.

 

[Commodus]

while ill allow that it possible that anonymous sources can provide good testimony, until that is resolved it shouldnt be 24/7 news on cnn. also you should look at the op which provides proof that cnn is not a trustworthy source, like those others you mentioned in your post.

CNN is usually trustworthy when it comes to investigative journalism, that's the thing. The problem is that you're rushing to back the "fake news" line while ignoring the overall track record. For example, it got a copy of that Steele dossier just like BuzzFeed did; clearly, it has good sources.

What we're learning here is not that Trump is right about CNN (he's rarely right about anything, really), it's that you should always exercise healthy caution, even with outlets that are generally accurate. For example: even with WP stories, I look for clues that it's well-researched. Did they cite multiple sources when possible? Are the claims detailed, and consistent with what we've seen before? Are they frank in admitting what they don't know, or do they leap to conclusions?

Contrast that with, say, O'Keefe or Fox News. O'Keefe is known to frequently lie and take material out of context to suit his agenda. Fox, meanwhile, tends to both echo whatever Republicans say (which, in the Trump era, is usually a lie) and omit facts that don't suit its political leanings. For instance, Fox reported the CBO evaluation of the Senate AHCA bill by saying that the number of uninsured would go up; it purposefully excluded the finding that 22 million people would lose health care. There's a huge chasm between making a mistake, however serious, and conducting a sustained campaign to distort and hide the truth.

 

[Younigue]

Doesn't it take one to know one? [/QUOTE]

Rolling out the 4 year old's argument I see. You much feel like an intellectual giant.

 

[raildogg]

Oh yeah, real investigative journalism.

 

[raildogg]

Please delete. No need for my off topic comment. Sorry.

 

[snarfbot]

CNN is usually trustworthy when it comes to investigative journalism, that's the thing. The problem is that you're rushing to back the "fake news" line while ignoring the overall track record. For example, it got a copy of that Steele dossier just like BuzzFeed did; clearly, it has good sources.

What we're learning here is not that Trump is right about CNN (he's rarely right about anything, really), it's that you should always exercise healthy caution, even with outlets that are generally accurate. For example: even with WP stories, I look for clues that it's well-researched. Did they cite multiple sources when possible? Are the claims detailed, and consistent with what we've seen before? Are they frank in admitting what they don't know, or do they leap to conclusions?

Contrast that with, say, O'Keefe or Fox News. O'Keefe is known to frequently lie and take material out of context to suit his agenda. Fox, meanwhile, tends to both echo whatever Republicans say (which, in the Trump era, is usually a lie) and omit facts that don't suit its political leanings. For instance, Fox reported the CBO evaluation of the Senate AHCA bill by saying that the number of uninsured would go up; it purposefully excluded the finding that 22 million people would lose health care. There's a huge chasm between making a mistake, however serious, and conducting a sustained campaign to distort and hide the truth.

im familiar with the o'keefe backstory, even considering all that you have to admit the video is pretty compelling, the clips are long enough to put each statement into context without wondering whether it was somehow coerced.

like you can tell that okeefe or whoever was taping the conversation was clearly trying to bait the guy into saying something damning, but that doesnt negatively impact its value imo.

im getting a bit tired of everyone bringing up fox, like oh wait fox news is bad, but at least admit that cnn is as biased as fox is. if you believe the video theyre doing it for ratings, if youre more cynical you might think theyre the voices of an "opposition party". a position bandied about by trump, as you are probably aware.

 

[agent00f]

im familiar with the o'keefe backstory, even considering all that you have to admit the video is pretty compelling, the clips are long enough to put each statement into context without wondering whether it was somehow coerced.

like you can tell that okeefe or whoever was taping the conversation was clearly trying to bait the guy into saying something damning, but that doesnt negatively impact its value imo.

im getting a bit tired of everyone bringing up fox, like oh wait fox news is bad, but at least admit that cnn is as biased as fox is. if you believe the video theyre doing it for ratings, if youre more cynical you might think theyre the voices of an "opposition party". a position bandied about by trump, as you are probably aware.

In order to distinguish anything as bad there must be some reference. CNN and such are arguably bad by academic science standards but might as well be the divine truth by degen fox/o'keefe ones.

 

[snarfbot]

Oh yeah, real investigative journalism.

thats a good one

i like how their feed cuts out whenever someone says something positive about the president.

 

[emperus]

you say yes there are many, but there is literally no hard evidence, and afaik nothing even speculated to directly link trump to russia at all. just tentatively via others on his team, which imo was completely blown out of proportion, which i think that will be born out as fact when the investigation is complete.

remember this investigation is about russian involvement in the election, not specifically trumps russian ties, although its been conflated to be just that 24/7 on cnn and others.

Honestly, I hate wasting my time looking up things, once could easily do themselves.

Here is an article on Comey's testimony, if you don't trust the NYtimes, you can google the transcript of Comey's testimony yourself.

Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. was “investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.html

Again, this is why I can't take people of your ilk seriously. You claim CNN and other news outlets are conflating things yet you can't take the time to even understand the facts and decide yourself. Again, there is an FBI investigation into the Trump campaign and their iwith the Russian government as stated by the FBI DIRECTOR.

 

[snarfbot]

Honestly, I hate wasting my time looking up things, once could easily do themselves.

Here is an article on Comey's testimony, if you don't trust the NYtimes, you can google the transcript of Comey's testimony yourself.

Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. was “investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.html

Again, this is why I can't take people of your ilk seriously. You claim CNN and other news outlets are conflating things yet you can't take the time to even understand the facts and decide yourself. Again, there is an FBI investigation into the Trump campaign and their iwith the Russian government as stated by the FBI DIRECTOR.

i dont understand this as a counterargument.

i said the investigation was about russias alleged involvement in the election, not specific russia-trump-connections, and that there was no hard evidence at all made public.

now correct me if im wrong here, but it appears that your position is that the very existence of an investigation refutes my argument somehow. is that true?

 

[buckshot24]

Honestly, I hate wasting my time looking up things, once could easily do themselves.

Here is an article on Comey's testimony, if you don't trust the NYtimes, you can google the transcript of Comey's testimony yourself.

Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. was “investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.html

Again, this is why I can't take people of your ilk seriously. You claim CNN and other news outlets are conflating things yet you can't take the time to even understand the facts and decide yourself. Again, there is an FBI investigation into the Trump campaign and their iwith the Russian government as stated by the FBI DIRECTOR.

There aren't any contradictions there. Comey said that the investigation "includes" what you quoted in red above. snarfbot said that the investigation wasn't "specifically" about Trump's Russian ties not that it wasn't about that at all.

 

[buckshot24]

i dont understand this as a counterargument.

i said the investigation was about russias alleged involvement in the election, not specific russia-trump-connections, and that there was no hard evidence at all made public.

now correct me if im wrong here, but it appears that your position is that the very existence of an investigation refutes my argument somehow. is that true?

You were exactly correct and there were no contradictions between what you said and what Comey said.

 

[snarfbot]

You were exactly correct and there were no contradictions between what you said and what Comey said.

thanks for the support, you know even if we cant reach these people and help them understand there are probably many other lurkers reading, who will be more receptive to a well reasoned and rational argument.

 

[zinfamous]

CNN's descent in to the twilight zone is highly entertaining.

One wonders why the left goes to bat for CNN. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type of thing?

Not that I care to see it end, but CNN is actively helping the POTUS 2020 bid with the almost daily chicanery they're putting out.

These are entitled D.C. brats using the left's disapointment as a vehicle to raise their own fame and status.

inventing your own reality, then defending it, like it is an argument to make.

so sad.

 

[zinfamous]

thanks for the support, you know even if we cant reach these people and help them understand there are probably many other lurkers reading, who will be more receptive to a well reasoned and rational argument.

you guys are so cute.

when's the wedding? ....er, how can alts get married, though?

 

[buckshot24]

thanks for the support, you know even if we cant reach these people and help them understand there are probably many other lurkers reading, who will be more receptive to a well reasoned and rational argument.

We'll see if he can admit his mistake and hopefully he'll see that his bias against conservatives made him see something that wasn't there. Emperus isn't one of those hopeless attack trolls I was talking about earlier though. He will argue with you honestly usually.

 

[zinfamous]

im familiar with the o'keefe backstory, even considering all that you have to admit the video is pretty compelling, the clips are long enough to put each statement into context without wondering whether it was somehow coerced.

like you can tell that okeefe or whoever was taping the conversation was clearly trying to bait the guy into saying something damning, but that doesnt negatively impact its value imo.

im getting a bit tired of everyone bringing up fox, like oh wait fox news is bad, but at least admit that cnn is as biased as fox is. if you believe the video theyre doing it for ratings, if youre more cynical you might think theyre the voices of an "opposition party". a position bandied about by trump, as you are probably aware.

no.

you have to be a pretty clueless sack of unevolved scum to put together the concept "the content in an O'Keefe video is rather compelling" and agree with it...especially after admitting that you know O'Keefe has been conning you all this time.

You just like the abuse.

 

[snarfbot]

We'll see if he can admit his mistake and hopefully he'll see that his bias against conservatives made him see something that wasn't there. Emperus isn't one of those hopeless attack trolls I was talking about earlier though. He will argue with you honestly usually.

yea im getting to know their names i think^^

 

[Commodus]

im familiar with the o'keefe backstory, even considering all that you have to admit the video is pretty compelling, the clips are long enough to put each statement into context without wondering whether it was somehow coerced.

like you can tell that okeefe or whoever was taping the conversation was clearly trying to bait the guy into saying something damning, but that doesnt negatively impact its value imo.

im getting a bit tired of everyone bringing up fox, like oh wait fox news is bad, but at least admit that cnn is as biased as fox is. if you believe the video theyre doing it for ratings, if youre more cynical you might think theyre the voices of an "opposition party". a position bandied about by trump, as you are probably aware.

But CNN isn't as biased as Fox. There's literally no disputing this. Fox has effectively admitted that it's a mouthpiece for the Republican party with a couple of token liberals thrown in; CNN, meanwhile, has been alternately accused of cheerleading for Clinton and enabling Trump by hiring people who worked on his campaign (and in at least one case, went back to working for Trump after the election). I think its conduct is far from perfect, but when it's pissing off people on both sides, that suggests it's considerably less biased than Fox... even if really is just making cynical ploys for ratings.

 

[ivwshane]

Is not capitalizing words a thing now?

 

[buckshot24]

But CNN isn't as biased as Fox. There's literally no disputing this. Fox has effectively admitted that it's a mouthpiece for the Republican party with a couple of token liberals thrown in; CNN, meanwhile, has been alternately accused of cheerleading for Clinton and enabling Trump by hiring people who worked on his campaign (and in at least one case, went back to working for Trump after the election). I think its conduct is far from perfect, but when it's pissing off people on both sides, that suggests it's considerably less biased than Fox... even if really is just making cynical ploys for ratings.

CNN news division is more biased than Fox's news division, not even close.