The Dutch government will abandon the model of a multicultural society

[Infohawk]

"White supremacist" is a very specific ideology the core tenant of which is anti-semitism. Infohawk shows no trace of anti-semitism in his posts. If you can't provide a link then you need to at least give an example of what you consider a "white supremacist" belief.

Maybe you're trying to help but you're just feeding into his desires by creating a debate where there shouldn't be one. Here is a post where I explicitly denied being racist. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31641256&postcount=222 This idiot also claims that Baasha is my alter ego. Right there that should tell you that he's not to be taken seriously.

 

[RabidMongoose]

No I don't have my "own" definition of it. The white supermacist movement in the United States is specifically neo-nazi. Not every form of racism, xenophobia or bigotry is "white supremacism." And even if I adhere to your overly broad definition, I also do not agree that Infohawk has ever said that "white people are superior to those of other racial backgrounds" or anything to that effect. I'm not going to say - because I'm not sure - that he is free from all forms of prejudice. But it's clear that you're mischaracterizing him, doubly clear because when called on it you can't produce a single link.

Yes, you do have your own definition for it. Please provide a series of reputable links where each source says that 'white supremacist' only has one specific definition and that the one single allowable definition is of a person being anti-semitic.

Moreover, you thinking that InfoHawk is not a white supremacist doesn't mean much after you just tried to limit white supremacist beliefs to your own single very restrictive definition.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Maybe you're trying to help but you're just feeding into his desires by creating a debate where there shouldn't be one. Here is a post where I explicitly denied being racist. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31641256&postcount=222 This idiot also claims that Baasha is my alter ego. Right there that should tell you that he's not to be taken seriously.

You were supposed to specifically denounce white supremacy. You didn't and you refused to. You tried to use other phrases and other words to protect your ideology. Moreover, you're judged more on your positions, which are clearly based on white supremacist ideology.

Baasha is your alter ego. I'm pretty sure about that one. I have to admit that it's a pretty good troll account. Hell, you claim that CoW and I are the same person. Yup, that the same person has kept two accounts here for almost 10 years and whatever CoW is at just for the hell of it. I think it's more likely that Baasha and InfoHawk is the same person. The time of creation on the accounts is probably more reasonable to fit into the theory as well.

 

[woolfe9999]

Maybe you're trying to help but you're just feeding into his desires by creating a debate where there shouldn't be one. Here is a post where I explicitly denied being racist. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31641256&postcount=222 This idiot also claims that Baasha is my alter ego. Right there that should tell you that he's not to be taken seriously.

Fair enough. Since you were the topic of discussion and you'd rather it not be debated, I won't bother to reply to his nonsense anymore. For the record, I am not trying to defend you so much as to do what I usually do - clean up bullshit.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I have no idea what your video game references seem to be talking about. Sorry, but I don't play any video games whatsoever, so your mention and analogies to random video games just portray you as a giant neckbearded nerd.

Anyways, obviously a civil war is bad. However, your entire post doesn't address the Dutch and their cowardice. They were real soldiers assigned to a post and they abandoned it and allowed a genocide to happen. This is a well known incident and I have no idea why you're bringing in your obese neckbeard video games into it.

The Dutch were cowards and performed one of the most cowardly acts of the last 100 years. End of story, no matter how many video game references you seem to bring up. The Dutch cowardice was so alarming that they were even sued by the survivors of the genocide. Hell, that's not even bringing up the Dutch facilitation of the genocide.

It's clear that your nationalistic pride is preventing you from realizing that the Dutch failed in Srebrenica, they were cowards, and it was pathetic. This is typical European thinking, never acknowledging that there is a problem and instead making up excuses or trying to justify it or apparently talking about video games because you're an obese neckbeard.

I find it amazing RabidMongoose, that you are the biological equivalent of mail spam software. Of course, you are the forum version of spam mail IMHO.

Where does your general European hate come from anyway ? I get the strong feeling you market yourself to be a liberal US citizen yet you always seem to present a "me against them" attitude towards Europe. So much for equal rights. I doubt you even care for the Bosniaks. I mean they are Europeans to. Why should you care... It could have been anyone as long as you can use it. Or not ? I expect you are going to use the "dutch cowards" spam again ? You can call the dutch whatever you like. It still only shows you have a general hate for the Europeans. This includes the Bosniaks as well. For they are Europeans.

Why do you need to be so politically correct ? Obese ? Fat is the correct word. Unfortunately, i have always done sports in a moderate way and i eat healthy and in a moderate way. I do not have a need for facial hair. You can draw the conclusions. ()

 

[RabidMongoose]

I find it amazing RabidMongoose, that you are the biological equivalent of mail spam software. Of course, you are the forum version of spam mail IMHO.

What a surprise that you used yet another computer reference - what a neckbeard!

Where does your general European hate come from anyway ? I get the strong feeling you market yourself to be a liberal US citizen yet you always seem to present a "me against them" attitude towards Europe. So much for equal rights. I doubt you even care for the Bosniaks. I mean they are Europeans to. Why should you care... It could have been anyone as long as you can use it. Or not ? I expect you are going to use the "dutch cowards" spam again ? You can call the dutch whatever you like. It still only shows you have a general hate for the Europeans. This includes the Bosniaks as well. For they are Europeans.

That's nice. But you just kept trying to excuse Dutch cowardice the entire time. Most people recognize the Dutch failure in Srebrenica, except for the Dutch. The fact that apparently the Dutch people don't even recognize their own failures is a sign of cowardice among the Dutch people in general, too. Hell, it's pretty clear that you had no idea what exactly even happened there. Just another European mentality where people think that Europe is perfect and can never be criticized, even when a European country abandons its assigned duty and just stands around and watches and even facilitates a genocide.

If you don't realize that your country is not perfect, then your country will never improve, especially with regard to its failures with genocide.

Why do you need to be so politically correct ? Obese ? Fat is the correct word. Unfortunately, i have always done sports in a moderate way and i eat healthy and in a moderate way. I do not have a need for facial hair. You can draw the conclusions. ()

Neckbeards aren't on the face, they're on the neck.

 

[William Gaatjes]

What a surprise that you used yet another computer reference - what a neckbeard!



That's nice. But you just kept trying to excuse Dutch cowardice the entire time. Most people recognize the Dutch failure in Srebrenica, except for the Dutch. The fact that apparently the Dutch people don't even recognize their own failures is a sign of cowardice among the Dutch people in general, too. Hell, it's pretty clear that you had no idea what exactly even happened there. Just another European mentality where people think that Europe is perfect and can never be criticized, even when a European country abandons its assigned duty and just stands around and watches and even facilitates a genocide.

If you don't realize that your country is not perfect, then your country will never improve, especially with regard to its failures with genocide.

Yahooo. ^_^ I was warned about you. But i wanted to confirm it myself. You are a troll. You responded exactly as i expected. Up to the neckbeard reference correct. You constantly talked about genocide. Yet you know nothing of history at all. Your responses are typical and repetitive.

Maybe you are a native American, i do not know . If it was so, your real name given to you by your family is probably "Broken record" . Although "Rabid Moose" is a good second name.

Neckbeards aren't on the face, they're on the neck.

If you say so. You seem to know more about this subject then i do.

 

[William Gaatjes]

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/majority-backs-new-integration-policy_157403.html



Even the Socialists in the Netherlands are ultra far-right when it comes to issues regarding minorities. 66% support this ethnic cleansing agenda! Overall, 83% of the Dutch support religious cleansing by banning the burka. How will the other 17% manage to re-integrate the 83%? For a country with a history of genocide and anti-minority violence, this is extremely scary.

What does it mean to "adapt to Dutch society and values?" Does this mean that they have to be anti-social and attack other minority groups? Why would anyone want immigrants to adapt to this culture? It should be the other way around in this case. The Dutch should be adapting to another culture since theirs is apparently infected.

Head scarfs are not an issue depending on the job of course. You can see women who dress modern and wear a headscarf daily. And very attractive anyway. Even some non Muslim women wear head scarfs from time to time.

Burkas are a different matter. A man can wear a burka and you would not know it if it is a man or a woman. At a lot of public institutions it is required that anyone can be recognized properly. For example, it is not the first time someone in a burka start filling gas in the car and then drives off without paying. The same thing has happened with people wearing helmets and filling up the gas of the motorcycle. Same rules that the face must be visible for the security camera or in other situations for security personnel to estimate the situation. For as far as i know everybody must be recognizable. And that is for as far as i know the real and main reason there is strong opposition against burkas.

Next...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Yahooo. ^_^ I was warned about you. But i wanted to confirm it myself. You are a troll. You responded exactly as i expected. Up to the neckbeard reference correct. You constantly talked about genocide. Yet you know nothing of history at all. Your responses are typical and repetitive.

Maybe you are a native American, i do not know . If it was so, your real name given to you by your family is probably "Broken record" . Although "Rabid Moose" is a good second name.

Uh, of course I'm talking about genocide because I'm referring to the Dutch abandoning their posts to basically watch and even facilitate a genocide, an action that you basically had no idea had even happened.

If you say so. You seem to know more about this subject then i do.

It's basically self explanatory. I mean just look at the words. Neck and Beard. Not that difficult, even for a guy who doesn't even know recent Dutch history.

 

[werepossum]

I find it amazing RabidMongoose, that you are the biological equivalent of mail spam software. Of course, you are the forum version of spam mail IMHO.

Where does your general European hate come from anyway ? I get the strong feeling you market yourself to be a liberal US citizen yet you always seem to present a "me against them" attitude towards Europe. So much for equal rights. I doubt you even care for the Bosniaks. I mean they are Europeans to. Why should you care... It could have been anyone as long as you can use it. Or not ? I expect you are going to use the "dutch cowards" spam again ? You can call the dutch whatever you like. It still only shows you have a general hate for the Europeans. This includes the Bosniaks as well. For they are Europeans.

Why do you need to be so politically correct ? Obese ? Fat is the correct word. Unfortunately, i have always done sports in a moderate way and i eat healthy and in a moderate way. I do not have a need for facial hair. You can draw the conclusions. ()

Are you sure about that? I think he may be malware, just a piece of code searching for keywords and posting related entries from a table. Think Eliza written by hackers.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Uh, of course I'm talking about genocide because I'm referring to the Dutch abandoning their posts to basically watch and even facilitate a genocide, an action that you basically had no idea had even happened.



It's basically self explanatory. I mean just look at the words. Neck and Beard. Not that difficult, even for a guy who doesn't even know recent Dutch history.

I posted the links, i suggest you read them.
Seriously, Broken Record, the first problem is that you do not know how to read. The second problem is that you labeled in other threads and in this thread all countries within the entire EU as genocidal maniacs. But your list also includes : Australia, Canada, New Zealand. India and Pakistan are filled with Barbarians according to you. The third problem is that at the moment you cannot win, you turn into a grammar nazi.

Now do your name honor, Broken Record.
You are probably the failed mating result of DominionSeraph and CanofWorms are you ? Please be a good special kid and again be the last poster. If it makes you happy, as that you can shoot some scrambled egg over your abdomen and keyboard (and probably in your neckbeard), so be it. I grant you your happiness. ()

 

[William Gaatjes]

Are you sure about that? I think he may be malware, just a piece of code searching for keywords and posting related entries from a table. Think Eliza written by hackers.

I would think so too. I cannot imagine he was born. He must have been made.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I posted the links, i suggest you read them.
Seriously, Broken Record, the first problem is that you do not know how to read. The second problem is that you labeled in other threads and in this thread all countries within the entire EU as genocidal maniacs. But your list also includes : Australia, Canada, New Zealand. India and Pakistan are filled with Barbarians according to you. The third problem is that at the moment you cannot win, you turn into a grammar nazi.

I'm not sure if all countries within the EU are 'genocidal maniacs', but I do know that Europe in general has a trend towards committing genocide and we are about due for yet another one. Europe is more responsible for genocide than any other entity in the known universe - why would it all of a sudden change just because Europeans refuse to even read about European history and European tendencies?

How am I a 'gramar nazi'?

Let me diagnose you:
1. You have a strange grasp of the English language. This is fine since English may not be your native tongue, but it prevents you from understanding what people here are saying.
2. You are very nationalistic. You cannot acknowledge any problems with your country. This is typical of many Europeans.
3. You have very little knowledge of European actions. This probably results in your nationalistic tendencies.

Now do your name honor, Broken Record.
You are probably the failed mating result of DominionSeraph and CanofWorms are you ? Please be a good special kid and again be the last poster. If it makes you happy, as that you can shoot some scrambled egg over your abdomen and keyboard (and probably in your neckbeard), so be it. I grant you your happiness. ()

Are you the successful mating result of freegeeks and InfoHawk?

 

[PingviN]

Europe is more responsible for genocide than any other entity in the known universe - why would it all of a sudden change just because Europeans refuse to even read about European history and European tendencies?

Europe is hardly an entity. Europe consists of independent nations. If Yugoslavs, Brittish or Germans were responsible for genocides, this can hardly be something pegged to the continent.

Unless of course you are truly ignorant.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Europe is hardly an entity. Europe consists of independent nations. If Yugoslavs, Brittish or Germans were responsible for genocides, this can hardly be something pegged to the continent.

Unless of course you are truly ignorant.

It is an entity. Europeans are responsible for the most genocides in the history of the universe. There is no doubt about that.

 

[PingviN]

It is an entity. Europeans are responsible for the most genocides in the history of the universe. There is no doubt about that.

Then obviously you are ignorant. No point in trying to reason with such a limited mind.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Then obviously you are ignorant. No point in trying to reason with such a limited mind.

It is a type of entity, there's no argument against that. Now you may be saying that the entity unfairly groups in others for the mass atrocities performed by a significant portion of such entity...but that doesn't mean that Europe is not an entity.

 

[Infohawk]

Then obviously you are ignorant. No point in trying to reason with such a limited mind.

Correct. That's pretty much what everyone else in this thread has been saying. The guy is a known troll. Add him to your ignore list and be done with it.

Once again, a valid and interesting thread has been derailed into "Europeans are genocidal maniacs."

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'm proud that a white supremacist is calling me a troll.

 

[PingviN]

It is a type of entity, there's no argument against that. Now you may be saying that the entity unfairly groups in others for the mass atrocities performed by a significant portion of such entity...but that doesn't mean that Europe is not an entity.

At first I was going to just ignore you, but hey, it cant hurt:

A "significant portion of such entity" you say. Fair enough, how do you conclude this statement? Do you just bring up a map, say: "this, this and this nation consists of people committing genocides" and then be done with it? Not taking into account hundreds if not a thousand years of existence?

And no, I don't agree with Europe labeled as an entity, it consists of independent nations with independent politics and policies. There is nothing scientifically making Europeans more likely to commit genocides, genocides have taken place everywhere. One as ignorant as you could probably argue America is more likely to commit a genocide as it's already done so despite only having existed for some 200 years.

 

[RabidMongoose]

At first I was going to just ignore you, but hey, it cant hurt:

A "significant portion of such entity" you say. Fair enough, how do you conclude this statement? Do you just bring up a map, say: "this, this and this nation consists of people committing genocides" and then be done with it? Not taking into account hundreds if not a thousand years of existence?

And no, I don't agree with Europe labeled as an entity, it consists of independent nations with independent politics and policies. There is nothing scientifically making Europeans more likely to commit genocides, genocides have taken place everywhere. One as ignorant as you could probably argue America is more likely to commit a genocide as it's already done so despite only having existed for some 200 years.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the entity discussion. However, European nations have committed far more genocidal activities than any other group of nations in the history of the universe. I don't think that there is anything that makes Europeans genetically predisposed to committing genocide, but I'm not sure if there isn't something within European society and governmental structures that makes such countries more prone to genocide.

Europeans committed genocide all over the world. They committed multiple genocides in recent history within their own continent. They've recently been involved with genocides in Africa. This is a troubling trend and minority issues in Europe today are very troubling and may well be on the path towards another genocide.

I hope that you can put in some reform through the EU, perhaps arrange to pay reparations to countries that have suffered through European genocidal activity and attempt to change European views towards minorities.

 

[Infohawk]

At first I was going to just ignore you, but hey, it cant hurt:

The problem is that thread is about this government statement. Broadly speaking it's about multiculturalism in Europe or multiculturalism generally. It's not about whether Europeans are genocidal maniacs. You may be thinking to yourself that whether Europeans are genocidal maniacs is interesting to discuss with rabid.

But since you seem relatively new here you might not realize that he and canoworms try to turn EVERY thread into that discussion and they frequently do. There is always someone new to give them the benefit of the doubt and feed the troll but in the end we end up with a ridiculous amount of threads that are about genocidal or racist europeans. That is what hurts.

 

[PingviN]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the entity discussion. However, European nations have committed far more genocidal activities than any other group of nations in the history of the universe. I don't think that there is anything that makes Europeans genetically predisposed to committing genocide, but I'm not sure if there isn't something within European society and governmental structures that makes such countries more prone to genocide.

Europeans committed genocide all over the world. They committed multiple genocides in recent history within their own continent. They've recently been involved with genocides in Africa. This is a troubling trend and minority issues in Europe today are very troubling and may well be on the path towards another genocide.

Utter hogwash. You really should keep from discussing things of which you have absolutely no clue. Read up on modern history, you're so far off it's not even funny. There are no relations between one genocide and the other. There are no common denominators except for the bit where there is one side doing the killing and one side dying. On the minority-issues you again lack complete understanding. Obviously you know nothing of Europe or European history.

The problem is that thread is about this government statement. [...]

Duly noted, Rabid going on ignore.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Utter hogwash. You really should keep from discussing things of which you have absolutely no clue. Read up on modern history, you're so far off it's not even funny. There are no relations between one genocide and the other. There are no common denominators except for the bit where there is one side doing the killing and one side dying. On the minority-issues you again lack complete understanding. Obviously you know nothing of Europe or European history.



Duly noted, Rabid going on ignore.

Oh, OK, I guess we should forget all of history. OK.

 

[Nebor]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the entity discussion. However, European nations have committed far more genocidal activities than any other group of nations in the history of the universe. I don't think that there is anything that makes Europeans genetically predisposed to committing genocide, but I'm not sure if there isn't something within European society and governmental structures that makes such countries more prone to genocide.

Europeans committed genocide all over the world. They committed multiple genocides in recent history within their own continent. They've recently been involved with genocides in Africa. This is a troubling trend and minority issues in Europe today are very troubling and may well be on the path towards another genocide.

I hope that you can put in some reform through the EU, perhaps arrange to pay reparations to countries that have suffered through European genocidal activity and attempt to change European views towards minorities.

I think what you're failing to understand is that even if the Europeans building up to another genocide, Americans don't care. We never have. If you recall, we inspected Hitler's concentration camps and said they were fine before we became involved in World War II (for other reasons.)