The Dunning-Kruger Effect: The real problem with America

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Interesting that you find it interesting. Did you think for a minute how right I was before you asked? Interesting that you didn't address that, no?

Forget everything else and look at the truth of what I said.
It didn't take me a minute...the truth is self-evident. But please note that my motivation is not as you assume...I get no perverse personal satisfaction in holding up a mirror for the blind. That said...I do manage to find humor in it at times.

For somebody who is constantly asking others to apply what they say to themselves you seem woefully inadequate in doing it yourself. This is your MO.
I think you misunderstand me...just how are my motives really any different than yours?

You have this passive aggressive thingi going on whereas LK is refreshingly openly hostile. Out of the closet he's going to be a lot easier to treat. My job then will be to help those with the most need, eh?
Ah...that would be me. I appreciate your concern.

I am here to remind those who are always reminding others to look at themselves to do the same. ;)
I score well on self introspection. I suspect that LK needs your help more than I.

Did you see the glaring example of this phenomenon espoused by those espousing in in the OP link? It was a classic in my opinion:

"Dunning and Kruger state that the cause of the effect is that incompetence at a certain skill also robs one of the ability to make an accurate judgment concerning that skill. This, coupled with the tendency to protect one’s feeling of self-worth (a tendency every healthy person displays) inevitably leads to the crass overestimation shown in the study."
It's a very interesting phenomenon...I've commented on this in the past in regards to how self-worth is often tied to political ideologies. When the basis of one's self-worth transcends ideology...we begin to crawl out of the slime.

Hehehehehehehehehehehehe Can you imagine the arrogant blindness and incompetence in self knowledge it takes to imagine that the tendency to protect one's feelings of self worth is a healthy thing? These poor fuckers have no idea that they hate themselves and that they are deeply sick as a result and all their so called feelings of self worth are delusional lies, the external egotistical and delusional manifestation of deep inner self loathing. When you really know you're OK you don't have anything at all to protect.
Protecting one's feelings of self-worth is an innate survival mechanism. Feelings of self worth are not per se delusional lies...but the basis used by many in determining one's self worth (or lack thereof) is commonly a lie. Self denial of the lie is fundamental to protecting the very core of one's self-worth. Those few who see the lie for what it is will lose themselves (and I know you know what I mean) because everything they imagine themselves to be and everything around them is suddenly hollow and meaningless. Then...things get interesting.

Even the so called experts don't know anything. Trust me. The truth is known only to those who know it. It can't be kept from those who deserve it and can't be given to those who don't. This is justice.
We all see small pieces of the truth...some more than others...and some seek it without regard for personal cost...but most don't. In regards to trust...read the first quote of my sig.
 
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M: Interesting that you find it interesting. Did you think for a minute how right I was before you asked? Interesting that you didn't address that, no?

Forget everything else and look at the truth of what I said.

DSF: It didn't take me a minute...the truth is self-evident.

M: So what is that truth, what I said that you were just trying to make somebody else feel stupid as if it would help you somehow?

DSF: But please note that my motivation is not as you assume...I get no perverse personal satisfaction in holding up a mirror for the blind. That said...I do manage to find humor in it at times.

M: I said, did I not that you would be in denial about your motive?
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M: For somebody who is constantly asking others to apply what they say to themselves you seem woefully inadequate in doing it yourself. This is your MO.

DSF: I think you misunderstand me...just how are my motives really any different than yours?

M: Ah but that I why I think I know you and don't misunderstand you at all because I think our motives are the same.
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M: You have this passive aggressive thingi going on whereas LK is refreshingly openly hostile. Out of the closet he's going to be a lot easier to treat. My job then will be to help those with the most need, eh?

DSF: Ah...that would be me. I appreciate your concern.

M: No you're just shinning it on.
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M: I am here to remind those who are always reminding others to look at themselves to do the same.

I score well on self introspection. I suspect that LK needs your help more than I.

M: Have you heard about this curious phenomenon where folk rate their capacities above where they are because they don't have the capacity required to assess where they are?
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M: Did you see the glaring example of this phenomenon espoused by those espousing in in the OP link? It was a classic in my opinion:

"Dunning and Kruger state that the cause of the effect is that incompetence at a certain skill also robs one of the ability to make an accurate judgment concerning that skill. This, coupled with the tendency to protect one’s feeling of self-worth (a tendency every healthy person displays) inevitably leads to the crass overestimation shown in the study."

DSF: It's a very interesting phenomenon...I've commented on this in the past in regards to how self-worth is often tied to political ideologies. When the basis of one's self-worth transcends ideology...we begin to crawl out of the slime.

M: Ego death is undoing false valuations.
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M: Hehehehehehehehehehehehe Can you imagine the arrogant blindness and incompetence in self knowledge it takes to imagine that the tendency to protect one's feelings of self worth is a healthy thing? These poor fuckers have no idea that they hate themselves and that they are deeply sick as a result and all their so called feelings of self worth are delusional lies, the external egotistical and delusional manifestation of deep inner self loathing. When you really know you're OK you don't have anything at all to protect.

DSF: Protecting one's feelings of self-worth is an innate survival mechanism.

M: We don't have feelings of self worth. We have hidden feelings of self hate. That is the deep reality.

DSF: Feelings of self worth are not per se delusional lies...but the basis used by many in determining one's self worth (or lack thereof) is commonly a lie. Self denial of the lie is fundamental to protecting the very core of one's self-worth.

M: Again the deep reality is that we have no self worth, only ego created illusions.

DSF: Those few who see the lie for what it is will lose themselves (and I know you know what I mean) because everything they imagine themselves to be and everything around them is suddenly hollow and meaningless. Then...things get interesting.

M: Only because folk don't know there is nothing wrong with them, that their feelings of worthlessness are as delusional as imagined ego worth. But interesting indeed. What we fear has already happened. We are afraid to know what is a fait acompli.
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M: Even the so called experts don't know anything. Trust me. The truth is known only to those who know it. It can't be kept from those who deserve it and can't be given to those who don't. This is justice.

We all see small pieces of the truth...some more than others...and some seek it without regard for personal cost...but most don't. In regards to trust...read the first quote of my sig.

M: yes because you can't find truth, it finds you. But those who know do indeed know. That's what knowing does for you.