The "Don't touch my junk" thread

[boomerang]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...wary+passengers+touch+junk/3831505/story.html

WASHINGTON — It has become an instant rallying cry for Americans fed up with full body scans and rigorous security pat downs at airports: "If you touch my junk, I'm going to have you arrested."


John Tyner, a 31-year-old San Diego software programmer, uttered the warning to a Transportation Security Administration officer as he prepared to undergo a physical inspection prior to a weekend flight in Southern California.


Tyner's refusal to submit an unwanted groin check — which he said amounted to "sexual assault" — got him booted from the airport and threatened with a $10,000 fine.

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What's everybody think? Has a boundary been crossed? Is this justified?

I just flew a few weeks ago after having not flown for nearly three years. My departure point was a small local airport without all the high-tech scanners. I was surprised though that MSP on my return did not have them.

I don't really care if they want to feel me up, but I can sure understand that others might not care for it. I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure that the fundamentalist radicals are winning this battle.
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[nageov3t]

that's probably the closest he's come to sex since playing house with his cousin when they were 8.

doesn't really bother me at all, really. it's not much different than the pat down you'd get going into a concert.

 

[PeshakJang]

I don't see how any of these new invasive techniques are improving anything...

Bomb in a shoe? Ok, now we need to grab your groin. Bomb in the cargo? Ok, now we need to grope your wife.

What was wrong with the regular x-ray scan and metal detector?

The technique itself doesn't really offend me, military has desensitized me I guess... I am more offended by the idiots they stick in a TSA uniform and give the authority (in their minds) of a police officer. If they put a couple good-looking people up there in flight-attendant uniforms, with cheery dispositions, I think most people would be a lot less upset.

 

[boomerang]

It'll be interesting to see if they actually press charges against him for leaving the airport. TSA (or whomever the true authority is in this instance) is kind of between a rock and a hard place. The press coverage is overwhelming with the inherent bad spin to the situation, but rules is rules.

If you heard the recordings, Mr. Tyner was extremely civil through the whole thing. He was firm in his stance, but was not overbearing.

 

[PrinceofWands]

that's probably the closest he's come to sex since playing house with his cousin when they were 8.

doesn't really bother me at all, really. it's not much different than the pat down you'd get going into a concert.

You've been patted down going into a concert? I've been to probably a couple hundred, and never have. Which is somewhat amusing, since I'm usually carrying.

 

[JSt0rm]

I have a solution...

Meet your new TSA officer

 

[nageov3t]

You've been patted down going into a concert? I've been to probably a couple hundred, and never have. Which is somewhat amusing, since I'm usually carrying.

I've been patted down for pretty much any concert I've been to in NYC (not counting the small stuff like a live band playing in a bar or something)

 

[PrinceofWands]

I've been patted down for pretty much any concert I've been to in NYC (not counting the small stuff like a live band playing in a bar or something)

And that explains it. Thanks.

 

[Atreus21]

Do the pat downs seriously involve them grabbing your nads?

 

[Rastus]

Do the pat downs seriously involve them grabbing your nads?

Yes. The TSA pat downs go beyond the ones you get at concerts.

 

[boomerang]

Napolitano: ‘Adjustments,’ ‘More to Come’ on Women in Hijabs Undergoing Airport Full-Body Pat-Downs

(CNSNews.com) - When asked today if she will insist that Muslim women wearing hijabs must go through full body pat downs before boarding planes, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano did not say yes or no, but told CNSNews.com there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue.

So, will we have consistency for the sake of security or will we have numerous standards based on one's religion?

 

[PeshakJang]

Napolitano: ‘Adjustments,’ ‘More to Come’ on Women in Hijabs Undergoing Airport Full-Body Pat-Downs

So, will we have consistency for the sake of security or will we have numerous standards based on one's religion?

They'll probably just skip them for searches and get the old lady in a Hoveround instead... to avoid profiling.

 

[charrison]

Lets just fire the TSA and hire Israel to replace them.


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother

 

[OrByte]

We need a transcript of those videos of the San Diego flyer.

At one point his dad comes into the scene and it sounds like his dad is a retired congressmen *edit* policeman.

He starts to berate the TSA employees (female supervisor)

interesting stuff

 

[drebo]

This is not OK. At all. It doesn't matter whether you are not bothered by letting someone sexually assault you. The fact that the government thinks it is an OK step is just appauling.

Worse than that, these rules are made by unelected officials who are not beholden in any way to voters. I.E. we CAN'T do anything about it.

However, this is a clear violation of the 4th ammendment. These searches are without probable cause and are completely unwarranted. They also accomplish nothing.

I, for one, am not willing to give up my physical liberties and freedoms for the illusion of safety. Not no way, not no how. I don't care if the screener is Emma Watson and it comes with a happy ending. I am not going to submit to one.

This IS tyranny. Plain and simple. Those who go along with it are party to it. There is no reason what so ever that a TSA agent should be performing strip searches and cavity searches on private citizens as a condition of flying (a contract between two private entities). That's just not OK.

He who willingly gives up even one of his freedoms for the promise of security deserves neither freedom nor security, and will eventually have neither.

 

[manimal]

Why didnt people react this strongly when people were getting tortured and held without trial or sent via rendition to places where they could be dealt with?


can we get a mod to merge all the threads about this?

 

[JSt0rm]

Why didnt people react this strongly when people were getting tortured and held without trial or sent via rendition to places where they could be dealt with?


can we get a mod to merge all the threads about this?

These are white americans we are talking about here

 

[drebo]

Why didnt people react this strongly when people were getting tortured and held without trial or sent via rendition to places where they could be dealt with?


can we get a mod to merge all the threads about this?

What gave you the impression that I am OK with any of that?

I've opposed Gitmo and "enemy combatant" policies from the start. It wasn't OK when Bush did it, and it's not OK now that Obama is doing it. The Patriot Act wasn't OK when it was first voted in, and it's still not OK now that it's been renewed. The government spying on its citizens wasn't OK 8 years ago when Bush was doing it, and it's not OK now that Obama's doing it.

I don't understand why that's so hard to understand.

 

[manimal]

What gave you the impression that I am OK with any of that?

I've opposed Gitmo and "enemy combatant" policies from the start. It wasn't OK when Bush did it, and it's not OK now that Obama is doing it. The Patriot Act wasn't OK when it was first voted in, and it's still not OK now that it's been renewed. The government spying on its citizens wasn't OK 8 years ago when Bush was doing it, and it's not OK now that Obama's doing it.

I don't understand why that's so hard to understand.

I was not singling you out drebo, I was contrasting the outrage over getting their junk patted vs the general lack of outrage for torture and rendition..

 

[lothar]

I was not singling you out drebo, I was contrasting the outrage over getting their junk patted vs the general lack of outrage for torture and rendition..

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

That's like comparing the outrage in the overpriced American health care system vs the general lack of outrage for health care in Africa or North Korea.

Equating someone touching your nut sack at the airport to check if you have a plastic bomb in your underwear because you refused to go through the X-ray machine to torture, rendition, patriot act, and Obama's assassination orders on US citizens?
That's quite a reach you have there.

 

[drebo]

Equating someone touching your nut sack at the airport to check if you have a plastic bomb in your underwear because you refused to go through the X-ray machine to torture, rendition, patriot act, and Obama's assassination orders on US citizens?
That's quite a reach you have there.

They do have one common theme...they're all wrong and abuses of government power.

 

[lothar]

They do have one common theme...they're all wrong and abuses of government power.

So does that mean next time someone talks about Health care or the Arizona law, I'm able to say we have better health care than North Korea and better immigration than Australia or the Chinese?

Both are government abuses of power sure.
Just as in my analogy, both are health care issues sure.

Not sure exactly what comparing it to the price of tea in China is supposed to prove.

 

[DominionSeraph]

This is not OK. At all. It doesn't matter whether you are not bothered by letting someone sexually assault you. The fact that the government thinks it is an OK step is just appauling.

Worse than that, these rules are made by unelected officials who are not beholden in any way to voters. I.E. we CAN'T do anything about it.

However, this is a clear violation of the 4th ammendment. These searches are without probable cause and are completely unwarranted.

Nobody's forcing you to go to the airport, and you have no claim right to be there.

I think you need to read up on rights.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Being who I am, if they had insisted on wanting to know what I was packing I would have shown them right there. Might as well clear the air.

 

[Zebo]

If places are off limits what's purpose of any screening? Terrorists just move their high explosives to off limit places. Pretty Simple.

All or nothing is where I'm at on this deal.

But even so - how you gonna stop if they sew explosives into their bodies next time? Why would they care about a few staples & sutures they are jihadis and want to die in jihad.

Basically I'm thinking we need highly trained officers like El Al uses with much discression and comparatively painless and supremely effective.