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The Derek Chauvin / George Floyd Trial

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JD50 said:
Yes but the person he was with had a check bounce 23 years ago, so clearly they run some sort of counterfeit ring.
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People who pass bad checks already have crossed a threshold of brazen dishonesty and there is no reason to modify the source motivations. It's something that is hard to not catch.

Never mind the rather diffcult-to-obtain conviction of felony theft or stalking Shawanda Hill had.
 
Greenman said:
I'm very interested in seeing how this plays out. On the surface it seems pretty straight forward. Cop kneels on guy's neck and it kills him. End of story. Then herd an attorney on the radio today point out that if you can't breathe, you can't speak. It's an interesting point that I don't think will change the outcome.
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It's not an interesting point.
It's a bullshit comment that caters to ignorant people and morons designed to redirect easily distracted people, convincing them they have found some meaningful technicality that everyone should instead be talking about.

Here are the facts
4 minutes and 45 seconds as Floyd cried out for help
53 seconds as Floyd flailed due to seizures
3 minutes and 51 seconds as Floyd was non-responsive.

How relevant does your adopted imaginary technicality that you find so interesting work now in face of those facts?

If you have the radio on, stick to music and weather. Then you can apologize to everyone for forcing them to take the time out to belittle you.
 
pauldun170 said:
It's not an interesting point.
It's a bullshit comment that caters to ignorant people and morons designed to redirect easily distracted people, convincing them they have found some meaningful technicality that everyone should instead be talking about.

Here are the facts
4 minutes and 45 seconds as Floyd cried out for help
53 seconds as Floyd flailed due to seizures
3 minutes and 51 seconds as Floyd was non-responsive.

How relevant does your adopted imaginary technicality that you find so interesting work now in face of those facts?

If you have the radio on, stick to music and weather. Then you can apologize to everyone for forcing them to take the time out to belittle you.
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Perhaps it would be best if you left discussion to adults that are capable of understanding the words they read, and have the emotional stability to discuss difficult situations. In the mean time, I'll add you to the list of people that aren't capable of rational discussion.
 
Whether drugs OR phony money... it doesn't justify cold blooded murder. I don't know why the other officers are not on trial as well, they were accessory to Murder were they not?

One takeaway that can not be disputed, we really do need the Blacks Lives Matters movement. And after watching the videos from this crime, the rioting is perfectly justified. This does not in nay way compare to insurrectionist rioting because the insurrectionist were spoiled rotten brats who's guy didn't win an election. Here, we have Blacks and minorities being unjustly treated and murdered by those hired to serve and protect.
 
Torn Mind said:
I know there are two types of not guilty people. The ones who never did anything and the ones who did something but covered their tracks. The chain to the counterfeiter ended with his life. Him dying was poor policing because there would be no more further investigation into that matter. There is a distinction between having no grounds to even suspect wrongdoing and dealing with a suspicious circumstances yet lacking the full proof to confirm the suspicions.

He was acting for the first 15 minutes; he wasn't high and clearly could comprehend what was going on, and he utilized a stalling tactic out of bad faith.

Do note I never stated he deserved to die. But he was a POS and hence I am not obligated to feel sorrow and lament. The cop will not be punished enough for his own transgression.


The lady who was with him passed a bad check in 1997. So if he didn't do it himself, he knew someone who did. You don't just get counterfeit bills out of the sky.
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Your an idiot! I know people who go to the bank to deposit money ands they bank finds they are trying to deposit a counterfeit bill and that person did not even know the bill was counterfeit! Your ignorance is astounding!
 
woolfe9998 said:
The "I can't breath" statement is not going to help the prosecution either way, but not for the reasons the attorney on the radio said. It won't help because Floyd said that exact thing at least 5 times before the officers kneeled on him. The defense is going to argue that they had no reason to take it seriously.

I don't think it's going to matter anyway because the officers used excessive force which caused his death.
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No reason to take it seriously? What is one of the main symptoms of Covid-19? Answer: Trouble breathing. So, a man says 5 times he can't breath, during a pandemic that one of the main symptoms is trouble breathing, and some how you equate that the defense will use that to say they had no reason to take him seriously. And guess what, the autopsy report confirmed HE HAD COVID-19. So those 5 pleads before the choke holds is actually going to hurt the defense, not help it as you believe, as it demonstrates they had no concern about his health and wellbeing by ignoring those statements.
 
Greenman said:
Perhaps it would be best if you left discussion to adults that are capable of understanding the words they read, and have the emotional stability to discuss difficult situations. In the mean time, I'll add you to the list of people that aren't capable of rational discussion.
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Ad Hominem, lol.
 
NWRMidnight said:
No reason to take it seriously? What is one of the main symptoms of Covid-19? Answer: Trouble breathing. So, a man says 5 times he can't breath, during a pandemic that one of the main symptoms is trouble breathing, and some how you equate that the defense will use that to say they had no reason to take him seriously. And guess what, the autopsy report confirmed HE HAD COVID-19. So those 5 pleads before the choke holds is actually going to hurt the defense, not help it as you believe, as it shows complete disregard to his health.
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Their total pattern of conduct shows a "complete disregard for his health." I do not agree with the isolated "I can't breath" statement. Listen to the recording of the conversation between Floyd and the officers. In context, he was acting as though in an extreme state of agitation and talking pretty irrationally.

He had what appears to be asymptomatic COVID, a lingering positivity post primary infection.

www.cnn.com

George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus, but it had nothing to do with his death, autopsy shows | CNN

In a week when the attention of Americans abruptly shifted from a paralyzing coronavirus pandemic to outrage over the deaths of black people in police custody, they learned that while George Floyd survived one threat, he was unable to live through the other.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
woolfe9998 said:
Their total pattern of conduct shows a "complete disregard for his health." I do not agree with the isolated "I can't breath" statement. Listen to the recording of the conversation between Floyd and the officers. In context, he was acting as though in an extreme state of agitation and talking pretty irrationally.

He had what appears to be asymptomatic COVID, a lingering positivity post primary infection.

www.cnn.com

George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus, but it had nothing to do with his death, autopsy shows | CNN

In a week when the attention of Americans abruptly shifted from a paralyzing coronavirus pandemic to outrage over the deaths of black people in police custody, they learned that while George Floyd survived one threat, he was unable to live through the other.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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That has nothing to do with what you said. You said that the defense would try to argue they had no reason to take him seriously because he said he can't breath 5 times prior to the choke hold and his death. Can you dispute that one of the main symptoms of COVID-19 is trouble breathing? Are you aware that anxiety, agitation, and acting irrationally are common and normal actions, when you can't breath or have chest pains. That is why you go to the hospital.
 
sportage said:
Whether drugs OR phony money... it doesn't justify cold blooded murder. I don't know why the other officers are not on trial as well, they were accessory to Murder were they not?

One takeaway that can not be disputed, we really do need the Blacks Lives Matters movement. And after watching the videos from this crime, the rioting is perfectly justified. This does not in nay way compare to insurrectionist rioting because the insurrectionist were spoiled rotten brats who's guy didn't win an election. Here, we have Blacks and minorities being unjustly treated and murdered by those hired to serve and protect.
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The other three officers have been charged with aiding and abetting murder and aiding and abetting manslaughter. The Court decided to split this into two trials(the State want one trial and the officers want 4 trials) and the three officers trial is set to start in August. I'm guessing this second trial won't occur because either Chauvin is acquitted and the State drop their charges, or Chauvin is found guilty and the three officers take a deal.
 
Torn Mind said:
Mr. Donald Williams just testified a few minutes ago that he has witnessed, and even personally experienced wanting to fight upon regaining consciousness during cross-examination by the defense.

The defense will emphasize this tidbit, no doubt, in trying to sway the jury.
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Yeah, Williams is an MMA fighter so naturally he would want to fight after regaining consciousness during a fight. That’s not going to affect the jury.
 
JEDIYoda said:
Are you a freaking moron?? You actually believe that George Floyd was counterfeiting $20 bills? There is no proof that George Floyd was a counterfeiter! Was the bill he passed counterfeit? YES! But to die over a measly counterfeit $20 bill?? What proof do you have that George Floyd was part of a countetfeit ring? See how your assumption are just bat shit crazy!!
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Not only that but the actual $20 bill that Floyd gave the store was not collected for evidence so we will never really know if it was counterfeit. They do have pictures of some bills on the front seat of the car but not the actual bill used by Floyd. I expect that to come up at some point.

I posted a link to a story in the original thread that had details on the initial store transaction. A new young clerk at the store took the Floyd $20 bill and didn’t check it. Another more seasoned clerk found out and supposedly checked the bill and said it was counterfeit. The new clerk ran out to Floyd who was getting back in his car to get the merch back and Floyd refused.
 
Lanyap said:
Not only that but the actual $20 bill that Floyd gave the store was not collected for evidence so we will never really know if it was counterfeit. They do have pictures of some bills on the front seat of the car but not the actual bill used by Floyd. I expect that to come up at some point.

I posted a link to a story in the original thread that had details on the initial store transaction. A new young clerk at the store took the Floyd $20 bill and didn’t check it. Another more seasoned clerk found out and supposedly checked the bill and said it was counterfeit. The new clerk ran out to Floyd who was getting back in his car to get the merch back and Floyd refused.
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Not terribly relevant. Cops were called for the fake $20. The actions/intent of the officer on trial and the actions of the deceased will hopefully determine the outcome here. Of course the media has already convinced everyone that the cop is guilty of murder, so if he's convicted of anything less that riots will ensue.
 
railer said:
Not terribly relevant. Cops were called for the fake $20. The actions/intent of the officer on trial and the actions of the deceased will hopefully determine the outcome here. Of course the media has already convinced everyone that the cop is guilty of murder, so if he's convicted of anything less that riots will ensue.
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I think that they will have riots and lots of looting if convicted of murder or not.
 
railer said:
Not terribly relevant. Cops were called for the fake $20. The actions/intent of the officer on trial and the actions of the deceased will hopefully determine the outcome here. Of course the media has already convinced everyone that the cop is guilty of murder, so if he's convicted of anything less that riots will ensue.
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``The cop is very guilty of murder!
 
railer said:
Not terribly relevant. Cops were called for the fake $20. The actions/intent of the officer on trial and the actions of the deceased will hopefully determine the outcome here. Of course the media has already convinced everyone that the cop is guilty of murder, so if he's convicted of anything less that riots will ensue.
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The media didn't do that, the video did.
 
MrSquished said:
Will major cities in the USA be burned down to the ground again or have they not be rebuilt enough yet to even be burned down again?
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Complete cities have not been burned to the ground. Just large pieces of them.

Read what I said... Duh.

You do realize you can riot and loot without burning.
Right?

What do you think is going to happen with a conviction or not?
 
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NWRMidnight said:
That has nothing to do with what you said. You said that the defense would try to argue they had no reason to take him seriously because he said he can't breath 5 times prior to the choke hold and his death. Can you dispute that one of the main symptoms of COVID-19 is trouble breathing? Are you aware that anxiety, agitation, and acting irrationally are common and normal actions, when you can't breath or have chest pains. That is why you go to the hospital.
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He wasn't symptomatic for COVID. Are you trying to argue that they should have considered that he had it? He could have had any respiratory ailment, I suppose.

I'm getting tired of this exchange. I think the officers are guilty, but I think his repeated "I can't breath" statements will not help the prosecution. You can go listen to the recording and decide for yourself.
 
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