The Derek Chauvin / George Floyd Trial

[fskimospy]

I have no direct experience of criminal trials, but I was under the impression that majority verdicts were generally accepted. So in the US you can bribe one jury member (or one fuckwit on the jury who has an unconditional love for the police in this case) and you're home free? Weird.

Did a quick UK-centric google and found this:

Jury Trial - How Your Fate is Decided - Moss & Co Solicitors

Jury trial in the crown court. Moss & Co explain the ins and outs of trial by jury. case preparation and the taking of verdicts.

www.mosslaw.co.uk

In most states it has to be unanimous, yes, although some research suggests it matters less than you think. Also, you aren’t home free. A non-unanimous verdict means a mistrial and the prosecution can just try you again.

Interestingly enough, some research shows that group decision making like this can lead to more guilty verdicts. Basically the logic is that if you vote guilty your vote only convicts of 11 other people agree with you, which removes some of the burden of responsibility.

 

[brandonbull]

Look shit head if you had a fucking clue you would be angry and pissed off as well at cops getting off killing and assaulting anyone regardless of race. But instead you complain about people who don’t want to take it anymore.

fucking racist shit bird

Racist callout? You typically have a preponderance of facts and great insight in your posts. I am shocked by your accusation.

People accuse Trump of inciting riots and he didn't come close to what Maxine Waters has said multiple times. You already have business being boarded up and people going into hiding because of scumbags like Maxine Waters stirring people up on the possibility of the verdict not being favorable. I guess thinking that our elected officials shouldn't go around agitating the population into violence is racist? Can you disagree with the Church of Progressheviks and not be a racist?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Racist callout? You typically have a preponderance of facts and great insight in your posts. I am shocked by your accusation.

People accuse Trump of inciting riots and he didn't come close to what Maxine Waters has said multiple times. You already have business being boarded up and people going into hiding because of scumbags like Maxine Waters stirring people up on the possibility of the verdict not being favorable. I guess thinking that our elected officials shouldn't go around agitating the population into violence is racist? Can you disagree with the Church of Progressheviks and not be a racist?

Alt-Reality strikes again.

 

[brandonbull]

Are you surprised?

He's the kind of guy that would've reported on his Jewish neighbors.

And then he would've ransacked their homes after they were carted away.

I enjoy the comparison to Nazi Germany by Liberals especially because Liberals are using many of the same tactics the NAzis did.

 

[brycejones]

Racist callout? You typically have a preponderance of facts and great insight in your posts. I am shocked by your accusation.

People accuse Trump of inciting riots and he didn't come close to what Maxine Waters has said multiple times. You already have business being boarded up and people going into hiding because of scumbags like Maxine Waters stirring people up on the possibility of the verdict not being favorable. I guess thinking that our elected officials shouldn't go around agitating the population into violence is racist? Can you disagree with the Church of Progressheviks and not be a racist?

Yes you're a racist piece of shit who lies constantly. Stating a fact isn't a callout, its just stating facts.

 

[brycejones]

I enjoy the comparison to Nazi Germany by Liberals especially because Liberals are using many of the same tactics the NAzis did.

Sure Mr. Joseph Goebbels

 

[HomerJS]

Racist callout? You typically have a preponderance of facts and great insight in your posts. I am shocked by your accusation.

People accuse Trump of inciting riots and he didn't come close to what Maxine Waters has said multiple times. You already have business being boarded up and people going into hiding because of scumbags like Maxine Waters stirring people up on the possibility of the verdict not being favorable. I guess thinking that our elected officials shouldn't go around agitating the population into violence is racist? Can you disagree with the Church of Progressheviks and not be a racist?

Did Trump not tell a white nationalist malita to "stand by"?? Comparing that to anything Maxine said??

FACT: Trump retweeted groups chanting "white power". FACT

 

[Fenixgoon]

Did Trump not tell a white nationalist malita to "stand by"?? Comparing that to anything Maxine said??

FACT: Trump retweeted groups chanting "white power". FACT

They were really saying white flour and endorsing the pillsbury doughboy!
/S

 

[ch33zw1z]

They were really saying white flour and endorsing the pillsbury doughboy!
/S

We jest, bit after the last couple decades, this wouldn't be the craziest thing that was actually said.

 

[JD50]

This closing argument is great.

"We don't have to show that the defendant intended to kill him, the only intent we have to prove is that the defendant applied force to George Floyd on purpose" - Guess he and HumblePie went to different law schools.

 

[fskimospy]

This closing argument is great.

"We don't have to show that the defendant intended to kill him, the only intent we have to prove is that the defendant applied force to George Floyd on purpose" - Guess he and HumblePie went to different law schools.

That sounds suspiciously similar to what I was saying a few pages back. I guess both me and this professional prosecutor would benefit from a criminal justice undergrad degree.

 

[VW MAN]

Racist callout? You typically have a preponderance of facts and great insight in your posts. I am shocked by your accusation.

People accuse Trump of inciting riots and he didn't come close to what Maxine Waters has said multiple times. You already have business being boarded up and people going into hiding because of scumbags like Maxine Waters stirring people up on the possibility of the verdict not being favorable. I guess thinking that our elected officials shouldn't go around agitating the population into violence is racist? Can you disagree with the Church of Progressheviks and not be a racist?

Your alt-reality must be one where you don't post dumb shit over and over because in real reality that is all I have seen you do!

 

[Moonbeam]

I enjoy the comparison to Nazi Germany by Liberals especially because Liberals are using many of the same tactics the NAzis did.

Well well, so you are a socialist after all. But it would probably be too much to ask you to see it.

 

[Viper1j]

Did I mishear BBC News earlier when they apparently said that the verdict to convict has to be unanimous? If so, why does it have to be unanimous?

Under US law, any verdict must be unanimous in criminal court.

 

[Viper1j]

I enjoy the comparison to Nazi Germany by Liberals especially because Liberals are using many of the same tactics the NAzis did.

You just keep telling yourself that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Sounds like it's just about to go to the jury. Don't understand how this isn't a slam dunk case when there is video of the murder.

 

[sportage]

Do not expect resolution from THIS jury....
I guarantee, if found guilty this will defiantly go to appeal and a full second trial come probably mid to late Summer. And if found not guilty, well then I don't know. But I fully expect some kind of guilty verdict followed by an appeal lasting well into 2021. A guilty verdict does not at all equal justice for Floyd. At least not just yet. My gut feeling is that Chauvin will get off in an appeal. Maybe not this first time, but most likely in an appeal trial. But then again.... why do i know?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Do not expect resolution from THIS jury....
I guarantee, if found guilty this will defiantly go to appeal

Appeals are often in defiance of the initial verdict.

 

[fskimospy]

Do not expect resolution from THIS jury....
I guarantee, if found guilty this will defiantly go to appeal and a full second trial come probably mid to late Summer. And if found not guilty, well then I don't know. But I fully expect some kind of guilty verdict followed by an appeal lasting well into 2021. A guilty verdict does not at all equal justice for Floyd. At least not just yet. My gut feeling is that Chauvin will get off in an appeal. Maybe not this first time, but most likely in an appeal trial. But then again.... why do i know?

Uhmmm, if found guilty and he appeals it he doesn’t get a second trial. There would have to be some major legal defect in how this one is being conducted and what would that be?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Uhmmm, if found guilty and he appeals it he doesn’t get a second trial. There would have to be some major legal defect in how this one is being conducted and what would that be?

An argument could be made for not sequestering the jury.

 

[sportage]

Actually, I meant to type definitely, not defiantly. Damn spell-check you know... But defiantly may have been the correct wording? All I say is if found guilty, they will appeal. Everyone has a right to appeal. Everyone except those found NOT GUILTY, and why would someone found not guilty want to appeal?

 

[fskimospy]

Actually, I meant to type definitely, not defiantly. Damn spell-check you know... But defiantly may have been the correct wording? All I say is if found guilty, they will appeal. Everyone has a right to appeal. Everyone except those found NOT GUILTY, and why would someone found not guilty want to appeal?

The state could appeal, although they almost never do.

Who cares if he appeals though? What’s your basis for thinking that appeal would be even granted, much less the verdict thrown out?

 

[sportage]

The state could appeal, although they almost never do.

Who cares if he appeals though? What’s your basis for thinking that appeal would be even granted, much less the verdict thrown out?

Too much Perry Mason, I guess. I jus assumed....
And BTW, the Maxine Waters issue is A BUNCH OF RIGHT WING / FOX NEWS CRAPOLA. Maxine Waters is probably the most hated congressional person by the right wing. Fox and their right winged chose to ignore that many MANY right winged congressional persons, right winged celebrities, and I believe even Donald Trump himself have all put their own opinion out there. Yet, they chose to attack Maxine Waters because to attack Maxine Waters is why they exist in the first place. Roget Ailes only founded Fox News to go after people like Maxine Waters.

 

[fskimospy]

Too much Perry Mason, I guess. I jus assumed....
And BTW, the Maxine Waters issue is A BUNCH OF RIGHT WING / FOX NEWS CRAPOLA. Maxine Waters is probably the most hated congressional person by the right wing. Fox and their right winged chose to ignore that many MANY right winged congressional persons, right winged celebrities, and I believe even Donald Trump himself have all put their own opinion out there. Yet, they chose to attack Maxine Waters because to attack Maxine Waters is why they exist in the first place. Roget Ailes only founded Fox News to go after people like Maxine Waters.

I wonder, I feel like they hate AOC more but because they are also horny for her it confuses them. Maxine Waters is an old lady so they can just hate her without worrying about the rest.

 

[emperus]

Too much Perry Mason, I guess. I jus assumed....
And BTW, the Maxine Waters issue is A BUNCH OF RIGHT WING / FOX NEWS CRAPOLA. Maxine Waters is probably the most hated congressional person by the right wing. Fox and their right winged chose to ignore that many MANY right winged congressional persons, right winged celebrities, and I believe even Donald Trump himself have all put their own opinion out there. Yet, they chose to attack Maxine Waters because to attack Maxine Waters is why they exist in the first place. Roget Ailes only founded Fox News to go after people like Maxine Waters.

How is someone not related to this case exercising their 1st amendment rite appeal worthy? I'm really upset that judge even said that. African Americans are only here(obtained the rights we have) because people broke rules, were willing to get arrested, and even some died standing up for their rights. Yeah, just sit down quietly and enjoy being 2nd class citizens. F that.