The debate over these cartoons of Muhammad is ridiculous.

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Aisengard
I hope that Alaa is not representative of all Muslims. Unfortunately, this is more likely than not the case.

am not representative of any one, am just talking about history (FACTS) and am not givin opinion in my last post...it doesnt matter anyway israel hates all arabs and EGYPT is a key to mid east..one day they will be here in war against us..with support from US and europe

You're out of your mind. If you stopped chanting "death to all jews" and "we'll run the zionists into the sea", Israel would be your best buddy. They don't hate you, they are afraid of you... because you clearly value their deaths more than your lives.

they truly hate us and thats too much obvious to someone like me who is not controlled by them, over the years and they are trying to take our land ..so many wars..they betrayed our prophet in his land..so dont convince me that u r the wise person who only see ppl supporting israel and believe that they defend them selves..i donno how do they defend while they are living in the arabs land? they only took it 57 years ago and since then wars keep coming!

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Alaa

we dont think that we will conquer the world, we want peace as everybody does but u guys are really affected by jewish and thats the big problem they control ur media and thus ur minds

Oh, the irony...

You guys seem really affected by Jews and hate of them controls your media. Jews do not "control" our media.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Meuge
I think we're beyond metaphors at this point. With every day, more of their children are born, and indoctrinated into a culture that praises intolerance, ignorance, and murder. And they reproduce far faster then the West. Yassir Arafat has said that it is the Palestinian woman's womb that will win the war for them... and in Europe, that's exactly what's happening.

So if we all know it's going to come to an all-out war eventually... what are we waiting for? Are we really going to sit until we're such a small minority that our actions can no longer have an effect?

Originally posted by: Meuge

Shhh... they think they can actually WIN. Don't let them in on the secret, please. It would spoil the surprise.

Humanity will be compelled , in consequence of the impossibility of making the fertility of the soil keep pace with the continuous increase of population, to halt the increase in human race. ....Nature has not reserved the soil for the future possession of any particular nation; but for the people that have the force to take it and the industry to cultivate it.

Today I want to be a prophet again. If international finance Jewry within Europe and abroad should succeed once more in plunging the peoples into a world war, then the consequence will be not the Bolshevization of the world and therewith a victory of Jewry, but on the contrary, the destruction of the Jewish race in Europe. [applause]

It is clear to us that the war can only end with the destruction of the Germanic peoples or the disappearance of Jewry from Europe. On September 3, I already announced in the German Reichstag (and I am careful not to make rash prophecies) that this war would not develop as the Jews imagine, namely that the European-Aryan peoples will be destroyed. Instead, the result of this war will be the destruction of Jewry. For the first time others will not bleed alone. For the first time the genuine old Jewish law will be applied: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!" And the more this war spreads, the more anti-Semitism will spread. This may be said to world Jewry. Anti-Semitism will be nourished in every prison camp, in every family which must be informed why they must sacrifice to the bitter end. And the hour will come when the most evil world enemy of all times will have played out its role for perhaps a thousand years at least.

Notice anything similar between your comments and his?

 

[Starbuck1975]

i dont think we can win now, but i just remembered 40000 muslims winning against 200000 from ROME, thats the same happening now, u have the power and we have our beliefs

I also remember the Ottoman Turkish Empire crumbling from within, essentially crushing any ambitions of a dominant Muslim super-state.

we dont think that we will conquer the world, we want peace as everybody does but u guys are really affected by jewish and thats the big problem they control ur media and thus ur minds

There was a guy with a funny mustache who believed this as well, and a lot of good people had to die to eradicate such ideology.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Alaa
they truly hate us and thats too much obvious to someone like me who is not controlled by them

I don't understand - is your fantasy just more comfortable then reality to you? Imagine this for a second - I am not controlled by them, I am one of them... and I tell you that I want peace.

Yet all I receive in return is this.

Originally posted by: Alaa
over the years and they are trying to take our land ..so many wars...

Is that what they teach you in school? I am not being sarcastic, I am really asking you... because every war for the past 57 years was started by Egypt, Lebanon and Syria in attempts to destroy Israel.

Originally posted by: Alaa
they betrayed our prophet in his land...

Are we back to this again?

Originally posted by: Alaa
i donno how do they defend while they are living in the arabs land? they only took it 57 years ago

It's not arab land. Call it British land, or Turkish land... but for many hundreds of years it hasn't been arab land. When the British mandate was being split in 1948, arabs got over 99% of all the land... but they were so generous as to start a war to get the other 1%.

 

[palehorse]

the bottom line is that in most Islamic nations, the government controls all media; so it's therefore well beyondtheir citizens' abilities to comprehend when another government wont answer for the actions of their media.

They literally cannot comprehend or relate to concepts such as free press, freedom of expression, capitalism, equal rights for women, and other general freedoms. It is so far beyond their realities that all rationality and comprehension is thrown out the window.

So GL getting through to them! Why? Because they wont bother to listen; or more than likely will never be given the news that you even tried to communicate!

And likewise, as westerners, we cant fathom or comprehend what it is like to lead such a life, behind such a veil.

 

[GoPackGo]

If all the land in the middle east was maintained under british rule we wouldn't be having these problems today.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I also remember the Ottoman Turkish Empire crumbling from within, essentially crushing any ambitions of a dominant Muslim super-state.

that was at the end of the muslims era! so dont blame them after they stayed 1300 years!

There was a guy with a funny mustache who believed this as well, and a lot of good people had to die to eradicate such ideology.

"give me 100 educated persons and i will convince them, give me 1 uneducated person and i will lose against him"

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
the bottom line is that in most Islamic nations, the government controls all media; so it's therefore well beyondtheir citizens' abilities to comprehend when another government wont answer for the actions of their media.

They literally cannot comprehend or relate to concepts such as free press, freedom of expression, capitalism, equal rights for women, and other general freedoms. It is so far beyond their realities that all rationality and comprehension is thrown out the window.

So GL getting through to them! Why? Because they wont bother to listen; or more than likely will never be given the news that you even tried to communicate!

And likewise, as westerners, we cant fathom or comprehend what it is like to lead such a life, behind such a veil.

we have freedom in sat channels where no control from gov is applied, so we know wuts freedom in speech, thank you!

Meuge tell me who started in 67? it was our land ok but we are still convinced it is! we are convinced it should come back sooner or later, and i dont mean u as civilian am talking about ppl in charge and the religious ones who insulted muslims be4, i can remember this it happened a few years back..

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: dahunan
What about people who think religious people are slaves and that we don't LIKE ANY ORGANIZED RELIGION???? <<do we have to kiss ass to Islam too

Religion no longer rules the world.. hopefully

Believe it or not, I believe that. I'm just pissed at all the hypocrite Christians with their fake indignance at this most recent offense that anyone with a brain would've predicted. I'm saying you can't insult the religion 1.2 billion people and expect to get away with it.

Yes, actually you can .. or at least you should be able to. The whole point of a free society is that I can express myself any way I like as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on your rights. There is no "right" gives you the freedom to shoot, burn, or otherwise destroy property because you're offended by something I said (or have drawn in this case). There is no "right" to go through life never being offended. In fact, a right of free expression absolutely GUARANTEES that you will be offended at some point and your only recourse is to complain. Fine, complain all you want - but you're NOT allow to destroy things!

Yet this is exactly what they're doing. They're threatening violence and death, destroying property, and generally disturbing the peace because of a CARTOON drawn by someone who is not (at least I believe this to be true - doesn't really matter) a Muslim. The only legitimate recourse they have is to publicly complain and organize a boycott of that newspaper or something like that. Anything violent or threatening of violence is an illegitmate response to a perfectly legitmate exercise of free expression

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: palehorse74
the bottom line is that in most Islamic nations, the government controls all media; so it's therefore well beyondtheir citizens' abilities to comprehend when another government wont answer for the actions of their media.

They literally cannot comprehend or relate to concepts such as free press, freedom of expression, capitalism, equal rights for women, and other general freedoms. It is so far beyond their realities that all rationality and comprehension is thrown out the window.

So GL getting through to them! Why? Because they wont bother to listen; or more than likely will never be given the news that you even tried to communicate!

And likewise, as westerners, we cant fathom or comprehend what it is like to lead such a life, behind such a veil.

we have freedom in sat channels where no control from gov is applied, so we know wuts freedom in speech, thank you!

Meuge tell me who started in 67? it was our land ok but we are still convinced it is! we are convinced it should come back sooner or later, and i dont mean u as civilian am talking about ppl in charge and the religious ones who insulted muslims be4, i can remember this it happened a few years back..

Sorry, but when a country that has already attacked you positions a huge army right on your border, it's not the wisest decision to wait until they're organized and attack.

Israel took the whole of Sinai peninsula... and happily gave it back to Egypt. The area of the Sinai was larger than Israel itself, yet they gave it back, in hopes to win a lasting peace with Egypt. If they wanted your land indeed, they could have taken Sinai for their own, and nobody would be able to stop them.

So why don't you cut back the rhetoric.

 

[palehorse]

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but cartoons will never hurt me. But then again, even when they dont actually hurt me, I'm going to use sticks, stones, guns, and human bombs to make sure you never draw those mean pictures again! As a matter of fact, I'm going to convince 100 of my countrymen to make sure your kids, mothers, and wives dont ever draw again either!!"

 

[fidolahoya]

Of those who say something about freedom of speech, have you ever try walking down the street and talk taboo words in front of group of people?

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Meuge tell me who started in 67? it was our land ok but we are still convinced it is! we are convinced it should come back sooner or later, and i dont mean u as civilian am talking about ppl in charge and the religious ones who insulted muslims be4, i can remember this it happened a few years back..

ROFL at this brainwashed yahoo. Look up any objective description of the 1967 war and see who is responsible for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_day_war

Amassing army on the border, removing of the UN peace keeping force, and blockading the sea ports is considered a declaration of war. It really doesn't matter who fired the first shot, but who intended to initiate an armed conflict to begin with. You view is consistent with the fact that to this day arabs cannot acknoledge what happened in that war, and many still believe Israel was helped by the US or Britain (which is a complete fallacy).

As for your statement "it was our land ok but we are still convinced it is! we are convinced it should come back sooner or later" it just shows that you, like many other arabs, do not recognize Israel right to exist, and support its destruction as a independent country.

Folks, the cat is out of the bag.....at least to those who don't realize what popular arab opinion is.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: fidolahoya
Of those who say something about freedom of speech, have you ever try walking down the street and talk taboo words in front of group of people?

Of those who say something against freedom of speech, have you never violated anyone's beliefs or insulted anyone or disagreed with them?

 

[kush]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Meuge tell me who started in 67? it was our land ok but we are still convinced it is! we are convinced it should come back sooner or later, and i dont mean u as civilian am talking about ppl in charge and the religious ones who insulted muslims be4, i can remember this it happened a few years back..

Oh I absolutely love this! Thanks for reminding me to make two more important points.

Israel kicked your inbred sand-monkey asses in only 6 days. They had no help from anyone - including the US. Meanwhile, Soviet Union supplied tons of weapons and ammo to the arab states. And still you got your asses handed to ya! Go Israel! Chosen people and all that gets proven time and time again. If I wasn't such an atheist, I'd be all about the Judaism!!

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Bigotry like that is not welcome on our forums. YOUR inbred monkey ass is banned for at least two months. I will take the time to check your other posts. If I find similar garbage, you will not be coming back.

AnandTech Moderator

Second, it proves that the militant arab faction cannot fight in an organized manner, nor can they do anything in an organized matter for that matter.

(by the way, yes, you cousin-marrying mobsters started it )

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: fidolahoya
Of those who say something about freedom of speech, have you ever try walking down the street and talk taboo words in front of group of people?

Of those who say something against freedom of speech, have you never violated anyone's beliefs or insulted anyone or disagreed with them?

Heh, maybe you need to lecture the mod about the freedom of speech so they will let everyone say anything.

I am sure that will make this forum a much nicer place.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: palehorse74
the bottom line is that in most Islamic nations, the government controls all media; so it's therefore well beyondtheir citizens' abilities to comprehend when another government wont answer for the actions of their media.

They literally cannot comprehend or relate to concepts such as free press, freedom of expression, capitalism, equal rights for women, and other general freedoms. It is so far beyond their realities that all rationality and comprehension is thrown out the window.

So GL getting through to them! Why? Because they wont bother to listen; or more than likely will never be given the news that you even tried to communicate!

And likewise, as westerners, we cant fathom or comprehend what it is like to lead such a life, behind such a veil.

we have freedom in sat channels where no control from gov is applied, so we know wuts freedom in speech, thank you!

Meuge tell me who started in 67? it was our land ok but we are still convinced it is! we are convinced it should come back sooner or later, and i dont mean u as civilian am talking about ppl in charge and the religious ones who insulted muslims be4, i can remember this it happened a few years back..

Sorry, but when a country that has already attacked you positions a huge army right on your border, it's not the wisest decision to wait until they're organized and attack.

Israel took the whole of Sinai peninsula... and happily gave it back to Egypt. The area of the Sinai was larger than Israel itself, yet they gave it back, in hopes to win a lasting peace with Egypt. If they wanted your land indeed, they could have taken Sinai for their own, and nobody would be able to stop them.

So why don't you cut back the rhetoric.

Israel never gives land back HAPPILY are you out of your mind ? Israel gives back land when it's for their overall good to do so, look at it as a mail-in-rebate concept, you pay more but you know you are getting almost the whole thing back at the end

Originally posted by: kush

Originally posted by: Alaa

Meuge tell me who started in 67? it was our land ok but we are still convinced it is! we are convinced it should come back sooner or later, and i dont mean u as civilian am talking about ppl in charge and the religious ones who insulted muslims be4, i can remember this it happened a few years back..

Oh I absolutely love this! Thanks for reminding me to make two more important points.

Israel kicked your inbred sand-monkey asses in only 6 days. They had no help from anyone - including the US. Meanwhile, Soviet Union supplied tons of weapons and ammo to the arab states. And still you got your asses handed to ya! Go Israel! Chosen people and all that gets proven time and time again. If I wasn't such an atheist, I'd be all about the Judaism!!

Second, it proves that the militant arab faction cannot fight in an organized manner, nor can they do anything in an organized matter for that matter.

(by the way, yes, you cousin-marrying mobsters started it )

[sarcasem]I believe you completley it's obviouse that you are not Jewish at all ! [/sarcasem]

"(by the way, yes, you cousin-marrying mobsters started it "

Uh... I am not sure what we have started when the Jews started flodding from Europe to invade our lands and properties, but I am sure about what you are trying to start with your provacotive racial slurs and all !

 

[kush]

Get over it, stop rationalizing murder, and I may cut back on the slurs.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: fidolahoya
Of those who say something about freedom of speech, have you ever try walking down the street and talk taboo words in front of group of people?

I did it ALL the time as a teenager. Most American Teenagers do.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: kush


Israel kicked your inbred sand-monkey asses in only 6 days. They had no help from anyone - including the US. Meanwhile, Soviet Union supplied tons of weapons and ammo to the arab states. And still you got your asses handed to ya! Go Israel! Chosen people and all that gets proven time and time again. If I wasn't such an atheist, I'd be all about the Judaism!!

Second, it proves that the militant arab faction cannot fight in an organized manner, nor can they do anything in an organized matter for that matter.

(by the way, yes, you cousin-marrying mobsters started it )

I sure hope your just an ignorant kid

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: fidolahoya
Of those who say something about freedom of speech, have you ever try walking down the street and talk taboo words in front of group of people?

No because that would be stupid and just asking for a fight.

No one is saying what the Danes did is smart. Maybe they did try and pick a fight(however I am more inclined to believe that the artist wanted to make a political point), and I guess they picked the right ignorant group of people to do it with because sure enough people are now dying because of a stupid insignificant cartoon.

Still, the only thing proven with your post is that, if provoked, the muslim community falls apart. Some just couldn't take the high road on this one. Nope.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: dahunan
What about people who think religious people are slaves and that we don't LIKE ANY ORGANIZED RELIGION???? <<do we have to kiss ass to Islam too

Religion no longer rules the world.. hopefully

Believe it or not, I believe that. I'm just pissed at all the hypocrite Christians with their fake indignance at this most recent offense that anyone with a brain would've predicted. I'm saying you can't insult the religion 1.2 billion people and expect to get away with it.

Yes, actually you can .. or at least you should be able to. The whole point of a free society is that I can express myself any way I like as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on your rights. There is no "right" gives you the freedom to shoot, burn, or otherwise destroy property because you're offended by something I said (or have drawn in this case). There is no "right" to go through life never being offended. In fact, a right of free expression absolutely GUARANTEES that you will be offended at some point and your only recourse is to complain. Fine, complain all you want - but you're NOT allow to destroy things!

Yet this is exactly what they're doing. They're threatening violence and death, destroying property, and generally disturbing the peace because of a CARTOON drawn by someone who is not (at least I believe this to be true - doesn't really matter) a Muslim. The only legitimate recourse they have is to publicly complain and organize a boycott of that newspaper or something like that. Anything violent or threatening of violence is an illegitmate response to a perfectly legitmate exercise of free expression

Nice definition on the "free society". To bad that's according to your view, and I would say there are probably 40% of people in the world don't share that view and another 20% don't know what the heck free society is.

So what do you propose to do with all the different views in the world? Make some compromise or eliminate those who don't share the same views as you do?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: dahunan
What about people who think religious people are slaves and that we don't LIKE ANY ORGANIZED RELIGION???? <<do we have to kiss ass to Islam too

Religion no longer rules the world.. hopefully

Believe it or not, I believe that. I'm just pissed at all the hypocrite Christians with their fake indignance at this most recent offense that anyone with a brain would've predicted. I'm saying you can't insult the religion 1.2 billion people and expect to get away with it.

Yes, actually you can .. or at least you should be able to. The whole point of a free society is that I can express myself any way I like as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on your rights. There is no "right" gives you the freedom to shoot, burn, or otherwise destroy property because you're offended by something I said (or have drawn in this case). There is no "right" to go through life never being offended. In fact, a right of free expression absolutely GUARANTEES that you will be offended at some point and your only recourse is to complain. Fine, complain all you want - but you're NOT allow to destroy things!

Yet this is exactly what they're doing. They're threatening violence and death, destroying property, and generally disturbing the peace because of a CARTOON drawn by someone who is not (at least I believe this to be true - doesn't really matter) a Muslim. The only legitimate recourse they have is to publicly complain and organize a boycott of that newspaper or something like that. Anything violent or threatening of violence is an illegitmate response to a perfectly legitmate exercise of free expression

Nice definition on the "free society". To bad that's according to your view, and I would say there are probably 40% of people in the world don't share that view and another 20% don't know what the heck free society is.

So what do you propose to do with all the different views in the world? Make some compromise or eliminate those who don't share the same views as you do?

compromise, thats the whole friggin point!. You do want to give others the same rights that you enjoy no?

 

[kush]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: kush


Israel kicked your inbred sand-monkey asses in only 6 days. They had no help from anyone - including the US. Meanwhile, Soviet Union supplied tons of weapons and ammo to the arab states. And still you got your asses handed to ya! Go Israel! Chosen people and all that gets proven time and time again. If I wasn't such an atheist, I'd be all about the Judaism!!

Second, it proves that the militant arab faction cannot fight in an organized manner, nor can they do anything in an organized matter for that matter.

(by the way, yes, you cousin-marrying mobsters started it )

I sure hope your just an ignorant kid

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