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cytg111

Lifer
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Yes yes yes for fucks sake..... SUE And make a gigantic spectacle out of it.... have all other media outlets cover it but Fox them selves. Do it. Expose it for the Alex Jones aka Hannity clown show it is.
 

Perknose

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But those that are considered "opinion" programs should be allowed to have their opinions. Even if they are wrong. That's freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, my ass. If you are in a crowded theater and loudly express your . . . opinion . . . that there's a FIRE when there isn't one, well, there's a clear SC precedent on that.
 

trustingsoup

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Freedom of speech, my ass. If you are in a crowded theater and loudly express your . . . opinion . . . that there's a FIRE when there isn't one, well, there's a clear SC precedent on that.



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shortylickens

No Lifer
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Hey buddy, you made a post from your lurker account.

Also, the crowded theater doesn't matter.
The supreme court has upheld many times free speech is in fact limited and not absolute.
 

pmv

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Isn't it pretty hard to sue over such things in the US? What with the high premium put on 'free speech'. I'd be very surprised if this comes to anything.

But I note that Rupert Murdoch is in a high-risk age group. I'm not inclined to be 'nice' in my feelings on that. That guy needs to meet his maker and answer for his behaviour.

Funny that Alex Jones took the opposite stance, right from the start he was predicting the apocalypse. Nothing to do with his selling survival kits and vitamin pills to his followers, I'm sure.
 

pmv

Lifer
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I want Quentin Tarantino to do a 'Glorious Basterds' style alternative history movie, where a certain newspaper mogul gets what he deserves.
 

Bitek

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It was all opinion. Wrong opinion obviously but there was no way of knowing 100% at the time the seriousness of the situation. I myself thought what was the big deal at the time? You'd have to prove they had information that would prove otherwise. It's not like the senators that sold stock after having had closed door confidential meetings. I think this would set a bad precedent as far as allowing opinion and free speech.

This is disastrously, disastrously wrong.

It was well known way ahead of time that this pandemic was coming. Lack of early action will cost us many lives and economic damage.

As someone personally familiar with my company's pandemic plan, I can tell you we activated and started executing pandemic plans way ahead of the federal government and well ahead of Trump's public statements. I'm taking January.

In fact, motivating the organization and suppliers was actively hindered by Trump/Feds because a significant portion of people did not take it seriously. "Let's not overreact" was a too common refrain. Waiting until "100%" is too late.

This delayed activities, this slowed planning and preparation. This is so critical, if you waited, you were too late and you will injure and kill people.

While we maintained an aggressive response, sister sites and others in industry did not.
They did not get sufficient PPE, they did not lock down sites and enact WFH in time, they put their business and employees in danger.

By the time they started reacting, PPE was in short supply, virus was already widespread and employees did not feel safe and started revolting and refusing to come in.

Just look at the numbers. It started in China, they had no advance warning, but their numbers are fucking HALF OF OURS and they have 4x the population, and we're still climbing and out of control.

This is 100% on Trump and his fake as fuck Fox news service and other stupid media outlets.
 

Bitek

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Isn't it pretty hard to sue over such things in the US? What with the high premium put on 'free speech'. I'd be very surprised if this comes to anything.

But I note that Rupert Murdoch is in a high-risk age group. I'm not inclined to be 'nice' in my feelings on that. That guy needs to meet his maker and answer for his behaviour.

Funny that Alex Jones took the opposite stance, right from the start he was predicting the apocalypse. Nothing to do with his selling survival kits and vitamin pills to his followers, I'm sure.

Easy to sue.
Winning?

That's another matter, but lawsuits will come I'm sure.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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I want Quentin Tarantino to do a 'Glorious Basterds' style alternative history movie, where a certain newspaper mogul gets what he deserves.

I have a pretty long list in the public and private sectors.

Fools have killed us.
 

cytg111

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Clickbait story, you fellows should know better.

Alex Jones and Sandy Hook gives precedent that you cant just make up your own shit and peddle it to the public .. and in the Jones suit.. he didnt even kill anyone, he just lied about the circumstances. I think Fox can get fucked over this. Should get fucked over this. Right?
 

cytg111

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It was all opinion. Wrong opinion obviously but there was no way of knowing 100% at the time the seriousness of the situation. I myself thought what was the big deal at the time? You'd have to prove they had information that would prove otherwise. It's not like the senators that sold stock after having had closed door confidential meetings. I think this would set a bad precedent as far as allowing opinion and free speech.

Nope. Nope nope nope and nope ... And they should pocket a suit for Trump as well for when he leaves office.
 

trustingsoup

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Hey buddy, you made a post from your lurker account.

Also, the crowded theater doesn't matter.
The supreme court has upheld many times free speech is in fact limited and not absolute.


I agree that FOX news should be held accountable for what they say, I was just pointing out that the "Fire in a crowed theater" thing isn't the way to defend that position. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused. I should have clarified in my original post.
 

Viper1j

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I agree that FOX news should be held accountable for what they say, I was just pointing out that the "Fire in a crowed theater" thing isn't the way to defend that position. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused. I should have clarified in my original post.

If their name was "Fox Opinion" they might have a way out. But it's not.

It's Fox News.

Words mean things.
 

Viper1j

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AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT!


Twitter Deletes Laura Ingraham’s ‘Misleading’ Post Touting Coronavirus Cure

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Twitter on Monday morning deleted Fox News host Laura Ingraham’s viral tweet posted earlier this month touting the drug hydroxychloroquine as having been used by one New York hospital to “very promising results” and claiming that one “seriously ill” patient had a Lazarus-like recovery from the coronavirus thanks to it.

On two consecutive nights earlier this month, Ingraham hosted an oncologist she described as being “with Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City” to promote the anti-malaria drug that President Donald Trump has peddled as a “game changer” in treating COVID-19.

The primetime cable star repeatedly touted the doctor’s credentials and purported findings on the drug’s effectiveness, later repeating his claims to other TV guests and on social media. But, as it turns out, the doctor is not at all employed by Lenox Hill.

On her March 19 show, when Ingraham first interviewed that oncologist, Dr. William Grace, he claimed that, thanks to hydroxychloroquine, “we have not had a death in our hospital. We have probably close to a 100 patients, and not had any deaths.” And during a later segment with a different doctor, Ingraham referred back to Grace’s claims about Lenox Hill, adding that he told her about one near-death individual at the hospital who was miraculously saved by the drug.

“One patient was described as Lazarus getting up after—after he was, he was like on death’s door,” she breathlessly exclaimed. “And they started getting a protocol of hydroxychloroquine at Lenox Hill, and it suddenly like Lazarus, up from the grave. I mean that’s an actual case.”

Ingraham was so impressed by that anecdote that she tweeted about it the next morning. “Lenox Hill in New York among many hospitals already using Hydroxychloroquine with very promising results,” Ingraham wrote on March 20. “One patient was described as ‘Lazarus’ who was seriously ill from Covid-19, already released.”

Twitter deleted that post on Monday, confirming to Mediaite that the post was removed because it fell under their “misleading information policy” with its “Heightened-risk health claims.” A Twitter spokesperson further confirmed to The Daily Beast that the platform required the tweet to be deleted by the account’s owner under the threat of being suspended.

Ingraham’s post had remained on Twitter for ten days, despite Fox News quietly burying the fact that she had misrepresented Dr. Grace as being employed by the hospital about which he repeatedly made miraculous claims.

After a second appearance on Ingraham’s show, on March 21, in which Grace once again touted hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus cure, Fox News posted the segment on its website with the headline: “Malaria drugs touted by Trump can work against coronavirus, top doc tells Laura Ingraham.”

The following day, however, freelance author Nancy Levine reported that Lenox Hill informed her that “Dr. Grace is not employed by the Hospital. He is a private physician who has admitting privileges. His views are his own and do not represent the hospital.” A hospital spokesperson confirmed this statement with The Daily Beast.

And so Fox News quietly added a correction: “Editor's Note: A previous version of this article incorrectly stated Dr. William Grace’s relationship to Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. Dr. Grace is not employed by the hospital and his opinions given below are his own.”

But Ingraham’s tweet remained up, and she has yet to correct herself on-air. Fox News did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Fox star’s misleading segments also appeared to result in a New Jersey State Sen. Joe Pennachio lauding Grace’s anecdotal evidence. Repeating Ingraham’s misrepresentation, the Republican lawmaker billed the oncologist as a “top” doctor “at Lenox Hill Hospital,” and touted hydroxychloroquine as a result.

President Donald Trump has also seemingly been influenced by the misleading claims of Fox News stars and their guests as part of his push for hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 cure.

Last Monday, the president gushed over the Lazarus-like resurrection of a coronavirus patient who was supposedly saved by the drug. Trump did not provide any other specifics on this individual, and could very well have been talking about the purported Lenox Hill patient, seeing as the president is a vociferous consumer of Fox News primetime shows like Ingraham’s.

And after Gregory Rigano—a lawyer who misleadingly claimed he was an adviser to Stanford Medical School—made several appearances on Fox News this month hyping a small French study’s findings on hydroxychloroquine, the president eventually touted the drug’s possible game-changing impact during his March 19 press briefing.

The White House is also currently evaluating a plan pushed by a conspiracy-peddling family doctor who claimed he has successfully treated hundreds of coronavirus patients with the anti-malarial drug. Incoming White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows reportedly reached out to Dr. Vladmir Zelenko after Fox News host Sean Hannity touted his findings in an interview with Vice President Mike Pence, prompting Trump to flag the segment for his aides.

The study that Fox News and Trump have cited to promote chloroquine’s effectiveness, meanwhile, has come under criticism from health experts for having severe limitations.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert and a member of the White House coronavirus task force, has urged caution to those boosting the drug as a solution to the pandemic, pointing out that evidence of its efficacy is only “anecdotal” and saying more clinical trials are needed.

Last week, the administration said that the FDA was approving “off-label” use of the drug for coronavirus patients and clinical trials have started nationwide, including in the hard-hit New York area, in order to study the drug’s effectiveness.

The CDC, however, currently notes that there’s “no currently available data from Randomized Clinical Trials (RCTs) to inform clinical guidance on the use, dosing, or duration of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

Read more at The Daily Beast.

Don't think for one second, that this won't be entered as evidence in any lawsuit.
 

HomerJS

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More evidence for the class action suit. I hope some enterprising law firm works on this. I'll send money.
 
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Atreus21

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well it's not like the WHO declared it a pandemic or anything...
While I think it’s unlikely that any successful action can be brought against Fox the idea that they didn’t or couldn’t know the seriousness of the situation at the time is pure bullshit. There were medical experts across the world screaming about it. Remember after all, much of what these idiots were saying was that by reporting what these medical experts were saying the mainstream media was engaged in a plot to take down Trump.

So while a lawsuit will be justifiably extremely hard to win that doesn’t mean we have to pretend that yet again right wing media wasn’t lying to their viewers.
This is disastrously, disastrously wrong.

It was well known way ahead of time that this pandemic was coming. Lack of early action will cost us many lives and economic damage.

As someone personally familiar with my company's pandemic plan, I can tell you we activated and started executing pandemic plans way ahead of the federal government and well ahead of Trump's public statements. I'm taking January.

In fact, motivating the organization and suppliers was actively hindered by Trump/Feds because a significant portion of people did not take it seriously. "Let's not overreact" was a too common refrain. Waiting until "100%" is too late.

This delayed activities, this slowed planning and preparation. This is so critical, if you waited, you were too late and you will injure and kill people.

While we maintained an aggressive response, sister sites and others in industry did not.
They did not get sufficient PPE, they did not lock down sites and enact WFH in time, they put their business and employees in danger.

By the time they started reacting, PPE was in short supply, virus was already widespread and employees did not feel safe and started revolting and refusing to come in.

Just look at the numbers. It started in China, they had no advance warning, but their numbers are fucking HALF OF OURS and they have 4x the population, and we're still climbing and out of control.

This is 100% on Trump and his fake as fuck Fox news service and other stupid media outlets.

What was WaPo's excuse?

Furthermore, this is a strange segment to run if Fox News was aimed at downplaying it.
 
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cytg111

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Can you imagine the roles reversed? That is was actually Trump in the right, as in gotten it right from the get-go and CNN that was pushing "Just a flu, stop panicking snowflakes" plus aaaaall the other bs.
Jesus C.
 

HomerJS

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What was WaPo's excuse?
From the article you quoted.
Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a member of the government task force coordinating the response to the coronavirus, said he is often asked why the government is focusing on coronavirus when so many are dying of seasonal influenza.
“I often get asked: ‘We have an influenza outbreak here, we have about 8,000 deaths already, 100,000 hospitalizations. Why are we paying such attention’ ” to coronavirus?
“The reason is, despite the morbidity and mortality with influenza, there’s a certainty of seasonal flu. I can tell you as we get into March and April, the cases are going to go down.”

Back in Feb the article stated it was their opinion we had more to worry about from the flu. At the same time they published information counter to their opinion so their readers could asses.

Eventually the Washington Post concluded this is a bigger problem not because of political concerns but evidence on the ground dictated. However you omit, people in the Trump administration at that time had the correct information of the coming pandemic but Trump played it down.

Fox News played the role of mouthpiece for Trump while the owners of Fox News were behaving in the opposite manner. Once Trump was forced to change Fox News changed.
 
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Atreus21

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From the article you quoted.


Back in Feb the article stated it was their opinion we had more to worry about from the flu. At the same time they published information counter to their opinion so their readers could asses.

Eventually the Washington Post concluded this is a bigger problem not because of political concerns but evidence on the ground dictated. However you omit, people in the Trump administration at that time had the correct information of the coming pandemic but Trump played it down.

Fox News played the role of mouthpiece for Trump while the owners of Fox News were behaving in the opposite manner. Once Trump was forced to change Fox News changed.

They downplayed it. Just like Fox did.
 

fskimospy

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What was WaPo's excuse?

Furthermore, this is a strange segment to run if Fox News was aimed at downplaying it.

Look at the date on that WaPo article. Fox News was still spreading misinformation and downplaying it more than a month later, long after it was known the US had a serious problem. In addition, the article was very specific that the threat to the average person in the US as of that date was greater than the flu than coronavirus but even the title clearly showed that could change.

Does the difference make sense now? Remember, Fox isn’t really a news channel so much as a partisan political operation, unlike worldwide renowned newspapers like the Post.
 

HomerJS

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They downplayed it. Just like Fox did.
I guess you went blind right where I quoted statement from Dr. Fauci stating why they were wrong. Big difference in stating an opinion especially when you present all the information to your audience.

Not like Fox News would do that.