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Lifer
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What was WaPo's excuse?

Furthermore, this is a strange segment to run if Fox News was aimed at downplaying it.


One article, very early on. I don't see how you can claim that is comparable with Fox's relentlessly consistent agenda.

Besides I've found many things in the Post objectionable over the years, liberal papers print a non-negligible share of poor articles (the Guardian constantly irritates me), they are just the least-bad thing on offer. Partly because, unlike the likes of Fox, they feel obliged to carry a somewhat wide range of opinion, because that's in the job description of liberalism.
 

HomerJS

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"Get a grippe, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than coronavirus, for now."

It is almost as if you purposely ignored the title of the news story from February 1st in how it concludes with the words "for now..."

Hmmmmmmmm.
Nice catch. I missed the phrase "for now". Makes his post pointless.
 

hal2kilo

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It was all opinion. Wrong opinion obviously but there was no way of knowing 100% at the time the seriousness of the situation. I myself thought what was the big deal at the time? You'd have to prove they had information that would prove otherwise. It's not like the senators that sold stock after having had closed door confidential meetings. I think this would set a bad precedent as far as allowing opinion and free speech.
Boys, you got to carry that weight, carry that weight a long time...…..
 
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cytg111

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No they weren't. Nor were were thousands of other lawsuits against defective or harmful products.

Alex Jones would like to consult you on something Sandy Hook....

Why are you guys being this deliberately dense? Oh thats right, its the two faced nature of right wingers; rules apply to you, not me.

Anyway

But yea, Fox is untouchable ... cause its satire ... like Comedy Central ... right? Right?

Stop being shitty humans. Please.
 
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nickqt

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It will never happen.

Right-wing authoritarians need their beliefs spoon-fed to them by their rightful authority figures.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Isn't Fox News headquartered in New York City? They might want to consider how The administrations actions are putting them personally at risk.

Only the minions, I guess. I'm sure the Board of Directors and Executive Management team have all relocated to a safe location. I'm assuming a volcano lair or a moonbase.
 

Bitek

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Isn't Fox News headquartered in New York City? They might want to consider how The administrations actions are putting them personally at risk.

Only the minions, I guess. I'm sure the Board of Directors and Executive Management team have all relocated to a safe location. I'm assuming a volcano lair or a moonbase.

Yep, it's less than a block away from NBC/Rockefeller.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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It was all opinion. Wrong opinion obviously but there was no way of knowing 100% at the time the seriousness of the situation. I myself thought what was the big deal at the time? You'd have to prove they had information that would prove otherwise. It's not like the senators that sold stock after having had closed door confidential meetings. I think this would set a bad precedent as far as allowing opinion and free speech.

Claiming no deaths when that was wrong and leads to people having a false sense of security could be grounds for a suit.

BTW, there is no 100% standard. In criminal cases the standard is "reasonable doubt" not beyond possibility and in civil there's "preponderance of evidence", again not 100%

Then we have a "reasonableness standard" and "duty". It is unreasonable to believe that the resources that Fox has would not be able to ascertain the facts just like other networks. Their duty would be not to mislead and be informed.

Your argument doesn't hold water and the saving factor isn't what Fox did or did not do but being able to prove it. That's hard.

They knew and should have been truthful and accurate. They were not. But what we know and what we can prove in court are very different things.
 

Viper1j

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Claiming no deaths when that was wrong and leads to people having a false sense of security could be grounds for a suit.

BTW, there is no 100% standard. In criminal cases the standard is "reasonable doubt" not beyond possibility and in civil there's "preponderance of evidence", again not 100%

Then we have a "reasonableness standard" and "duty". It is unreasonable to believe that the resources that Fox has would not be able to ascertain the facts just like other networks. Their duty would be not to mislead and be informed.

Your argument doesn't hold water and the saving factor isn't what Fox did or did not do but being able to prove it. That's hard.

They knew and should have been truthful and accurate. They were not. But what we know and what we can prove in court are very different things.

Not really. There is language in the law that states "Known, or should have known (fill in the blank)...

You see it in a lot of laws relating to statutory rape cases.
 

HomerJS

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Claiming no deaths when that was wrong and leads to people having a false sense of security could be grounds for a suit.

BTW, there is no 100% standard. In criminal cases the standard is "reasonable doubt" not beyond possibility and in civil there's "preponderance of evidence", again not 100%

Then we have a "reasonableness standard" and "duty". It is unreasonable to believe that the resources that Fox has would not be able to ascertain the facts just like other networks. Their duty would be not to mislead and be informed.

Your argument doesn't hold water and the saving factor isn't what Fox did or did not do but being able to prove it. That's hard.

They knew and should have been truthful and accurate. They were not. But what we know and what we can prove in court are very different things.
We also know even they knew what they put out was bullshit because they were behaving the opposite in their own lives.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Not really. There is language in the law that states "Known, or should have known (fill in the blank)...

You see it in a lot of laws relating to statutory rape cases.

Yeah I tried to say that in an awkward fashion which is what I meant by

It is unreasonable to believe that the resources that Fox has would not be able to ascertain the facts just like other networks.

As you more concisely state they should have known.
 
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Viper1j

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Faux is prepping. The first lawsuit has been filed and served.


Fox News Moguls Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch Stockpile Attorneys Against Coronavirus Lawsuits
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Amid the mushrooming coronavirus crisis, Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch are girding for a pandemic of public-interest lawsuits over misinformation and conspiracy theories dispensed by certain Fox News Channel and Fox Business Network personalities such as Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Trish Regan.

According to a top Murdoch executive, the father-and-son media moguls are ready to go to war with potential plaintiffs such as the Washington League for Increased Transparency and Ethics—aka WASHLITE—an activist non-profit that filed suit on Thursday against Rupert Murdoch, Fox News, and other defendants.

The 10-page complaint, first reported by The Times of San Diego and filed in the superior court of Washington state’s King County, seeks a judgment that the Murdoch-controlled outlets violated the state’s consumer protection laws by “falsely and deceptively disseminating ‘News’ via cable news contracts that the novel Coronavirus, COVID-19 was a ‘Hoax,’ and that the virus was otherwise not a danger to public health and safety.”

The lawsuit, which seeks “nominal damages” and “reasonable attorneys’ fees,” demands an injunction to prevent Fox outlets from “otherwise interfering with or undermining the legitimate control measures imposed within the State of Washington for the limited time period under which the pandemic is brought under control and until the pandemic is brought under control.”

The lawsuit doesn’t list specific examples of the alleged “campaign of deception spread by the Defendants”—who also include the AT&T and Comcast cable services—but WASHLITE plans to do so in a future court filing.

The conservative outlet fired back—in a statement provided to The Daily Beast, and attributed to Lily Fu Claffee, Fox News Media’s general counsel—that WASHLITE’s lawsuit is “Wrong on the facts, frivolous on the law.”

Claffee added, “We will defend vigorously and seek sanctions as appropriate.”

WASHLITE board member Arthur West, a non-lawyer and former automobile mechanic who earns what he describes as a handsome living as a professional public-interest plaintiff, told The Daily Beast that he’s not impressed by Claffee’s vow to seek retribution: “We are not afraid of the big bad Fox.”

As for possible sanctions against him and his group, “I’m pretty sure they’ll try something like that, because that’s what bullies do,” West said, noting that WASHLITE was launched by him and four other environmental, public interest, and open records activists around three years ago.

“We studied at the Rooster Cogburn school of litigation”—a reference to the fictional U.S. marshal in Charles Portis' novel True Grit and and the two John Wayne movies it inspired.

West, 59, said he has been arrested numerous times in protest and civil-disobedience incidents, but claimed the rewards of successful lawsuits have allowed him to afford a lovely house in Olympia, Wash., overlooking Puget Sound and a fleet of pricey sports cars. He insisted this latest litigation against Fox is not a public-relations stunt.

“We’re as serious as a heart attack when we go into court,” West said.

“This might seem strange to you,” he added, “but I make a very good living beating the government in court”—mostly suing local jurisdictions, politicians, and taxpayer-funded agencies using Washington’s public records and open records laws. “I’ve gotten a number of six-figure awards… I have a collection of European sports cars. I drive a Jaguar. I have three Mercedes 450 SLs and an Alfa Romeo. My house overlooks the water, and it was purchased with money from the liquor control board.”

West won a $192,000 settlement after filing an open-meetings lawsuit against the agency that governs Washington’s legalized marijuana industry.

The Murdoch exec, however, said his bosses won’t cave so easily. Former Fox Business anchor Trish Regan—who on March 9 claimed that the enemies of President Donald Trump were plotting to use the novel coronavirus outbreak to re-impeach him—lost her show, in part, to mollify a chorus of Fox critics.
 

Sonikku

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They'll get away with it as they always do then feel even more empowered to double down on more of the same.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Epic backfire at FOX for defending Trump's amazing incompetence and lack of leadership skills.

I wonder what his base is saying about how their Coward-in-Chief is all of a sudden hiding behind the experienced and professional career personnel in public service who represent in large part the very establishment that Trump has been busy hacking away at in order to "get rid of those traitorous rats in the cellar" that represent a clear and present threat toward exposing what he's doing his utmost to hide from The People: that he's a moron who would be king.
I have that answer -- sadly they will believe that Trump did nothing wrong!
I have a older friend who gets all mad at everybody for saying people are lying about what Trump actually did! She honestly believes that Trump can do no wrong!! Even with proof that he lied...etc
 

Viper1j

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I have that answer -- sadly they will believe that Trump did nothing wrong!
I have a older friend who gets all mad at everybody for saying people are lying about what Trump actually did! She honestly believes that Trump can do no wrong!! Even with proof that he lied...etc