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The Daily Show with Trevor Noah premiered last night

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I can't bring myself to get into the new one. I liked John Stewart because he felt genuine. Whether you agreed with his views or not, you knew exactly where he stood.

He will be missed.
 
The show from Tuesday was great. He did 2 segments of monologue which was really funny. Then last night he does 2 segments with people like Jordon Klepper and Al Madrigal. Klepper just isn't funny. I don't know how he ever got this gig. Madrigal is usually at decent. But it's rare, for me anyway, that the comedy skits are as good as the monologue. That was true with Stewart and it seems like it's still true.

So it looks like they're experimenting. Either that or they want to see if they can keep Stewart viewers by giving them more of the regular cast or they're panicking to see what works.

I think Noah can carry the show but according to one source, viewership is at 1.2M for the show. I have to believe it was a lot higher for Stewart.
 
Last night's first segment was fantastic - he compares Trump to a variety of African dictators. Hilarious. The similarity in rhetoric and attitudes is uncanny.
 
Charmonium said:
According to reliable reports, ratings for the Daily Show are down 33% year over year.

http://deadline.com/2015/10/trevor-noas-first-week-daily-show-ratings-1201571171/

But the new figure is just over 1M viewers which implies that Stewart was only doing about 1.5M.
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Ratings would be down in virtually any scenario (short of Colbert/Carrell or maybe Oliver becoming host because of the hype and familiarity that would accompany it) because over time it was no longer The Daily Show people wanted to watch, it was The Jon Stewart show.

But Stewart wasn't always Stewart, there were absolutely some lean/rough days in the beginning. It wasn't until Gore/Bush and the "Indecision" election coverage and, well, stuff actually happened that the show really drew people in. Being on the eve of another election puts Noah in a good position to blossom but it's going to take time regardless.
 
darkewaffle said:
Ratings would be down in virtually any scenario (short of Colbert/Carrell or maybe Oliver becoming host because of the hype and familiarity that would accompany it) because over time it was no longer The Daily Show people wanted to watch, it was The Jon Stewart show.

But Stewart wasn't always Stewart, there were absolutely some lean/rough days in the beginning. It wasn't until Gore/Bush and the "Indecision" election coverage and, well, stuff actually happened that the show really drew people in. Being on the eve of another election puts Noah in a good position to blossom but it's going to take time regardless.
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So far a lot of his jokes and what he laughs at sucks. Which doesn't necessarily indicate to me that Noah it sucks - but rather the writers. And that is much harder to fix.

Also, he seems awkward as fuck during some of the interviews. Not that I really care for stupid ass celebrity interviews endorsing their horrible movie.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Larry Wilmore is HORRIBLE. He was funny with his side-bits on Daily Show. HORRIBLE on his own show.

The whole concept of bringing on complete retards to talk politics hurts my brain. Apparently it detects the stupidity and I can feel it starting to affect me so I quickly change the channel.
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I hadn't noticed that was a problem - usually the Wilmore show "round table" has a couple people who actually know the issue, and a couple people who are flogging a book or something. The comics crack a joke or three and then usually seem to get out of the way.

I don't like his delivery as a host ("acting chops?") as much as I did Stewart, but the focus on African American issues is interesting.
 
The biggest difference I've noted is that Trevor is still working out his voice. I mean in a literal audible way (not a fan of a 14 year old child making jokes about Senators and Presidential candidates) as much as I mean how he wants to talk about news. His delivery isn't great but he has boatloads of charisma. He has to find a way to talk about news in a funny way that meshes well with his general lack of charisma. Stewart was more of the opposite - mediocre charisma (on a tv-show-host-scale) but far better delivery.

It makes a lot of sense to keep the show being what it was when Stewart made it so successful. Without doubt, as Trevor gets more comfortable it will become more 'his' than Stewart's. It has to change one way or another.

Love the set though. Really nice.
 
Stewart even said Noah is a young plant that they expect to need to grow and be nurtured, but that in the long haul, he would 'eventually' develop into the level of commentary that we got from John Stewart. They wanted someone young that had room to grow so that they didn't have to replace the host again in 10 years.

They're investing in Noah and expecting the payoff to come over time.

Also, Stewart himself wanted Noah to take his place, so there's that.
 
dave_the_nerd said:
I don't like his delivery as a host ("acting chops?") as much as I did Stewart, but the focus on African American issues is interesting.
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I think they might be overdoing that. Between Wilmore and Noah, it's starting to feel a little 'in your face.'

We definitely need more racial commentary given the degree of racism that still exists in the US, but at some point it feels like you're being beaten over the head with it. That doesn't do anyone any good.

I stopped watching Wilmore because by the time I gave up on him, it was more social commentary than comedy. There's nothing wrong with that unless your objective is to be a comedy show. As you lose viewers it becomes a situation where all you're doing is preaching to the choir. And all that does in reinforce the racial and political polarization that already exists.

Even Stewart was guilty of this towards the end. He had become increasingly preachy and I regularly deleted shows half the way through because I kept waiting for something funny.

You can accuse me of being apathetic and self-absorbed but the fact of the matter is that people don't tune into these shows to be lectured.
 
I am liking him quite a lot. He is obviously the best one of the current bunch for biting political humor. He also has that peculiar Jon Stewart type way of looking at ourselves and he brings a fresh outsider perspective to it.
 
Eh, he's been doing ok. Nothing like Jon Stewart, but it shall suffice. Anything is better than Larry Wilmore. HORRIBLE fucking show.

I would DEFINITELY take John Oliver & Bill Maher over his show.
 
Yeah, Wilmore was a lousy choice to replace Colbert but I'm not sure anyone of the comics from Daily/Colbert could have really done a decent job. All of those people have a basic shtick that they do which wouldn't have carried over well to a 22 minute format. They would have needed to get someone from outside.

It's weird that they can get consistently good material for @Midnight but not for a comedy talk show. I know that a lot of it has to do with the comedians they get but they also have to have writers for when one of the guests doesn't have a quick answer.
 
Charmonium said:
Yeah, Wilmore was a lousy choice to replace Colbert but I'm not sure anyone of the comics from Daily/Colbert could have really done a decent job. All of those people have a basic shtick that they do which wouldn't have carried over well to a 22 minute format. They would have needed to get someone from outside.

It's weird that they can get consistently good material for @Midnight but not for a comedy talk show. I know that a lot of it has to do with the comedians they get but they also have to have writers for when one of the guests doesn't have a quick answer.
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I think the funny part is you mention @midnight. I think Chris Hardwick would do well in one of those shows. He is smart, can be political (usually tries to stay with the comedy aspect of it) and pretty sharp.

I'm not sure if he would do better than Trevor Noah, but definitely better than Wilmore.
 
So he's been in the role for a little while now. Anyone want to update their thoughts?

I think he's doing a great job. I am watching more often now than I was in JStew's last year or two. And that's saying a lot because I really liked JStew. I think he's finding his voice, his take on policy. Rare that he has a bad episode recently.
 
I catch up on some of it on youtube or the CC website here and there. He's not batting a thousand but I still think he's doing well.

The episode with Stewart cameoing the other day to advocate for the renewal of the bill to provide medical assistance to 9/11 responders was pretty powerful. Whenever the camera panned over to the "panel" and only one of the four (from the previous panel 5.5 years ago) could make it... my heart sank seeing that.

The feature recently for the Cruz raw footage was great too. The "Cruz Control" parody/trailer I loved.

And so much hate for Wilmore lol. I really like some of his "roundtables" and monologues, though his "newscaster v correspondent" pieces are usually skip-worthy.
 
He's at them mkkkay level.

Personally, I think nothing compares to Bill Maher now. He brings up legit topics, with legit discussions, with legit people.

Larry Wilmore is a joke. He brings on retards that speak Ebonics to debate politics... Something they are lucky enough to even know a candidate name in.

John Oliver I'm actually at the point of putting above Daily Show now. It's much more straight forward, in your face - legitimate issues. He is able to joke about things, and keep it real at the same time. The only thing I despise is John Oliver is once a week, and he often skips weeks.
 
The thing that bugs me about John Oliver is that it is just on the borderline of too serious. I think it's great that he can talk about important issues in a humorous way, but I find that sometimes he comes off a bit preachy - even when he is 100% right and hilarious.

I still watch every week. But I want him to go back to emphasizing the humour over social change. And as I type that I am aware of how stupid that sounds. Social change is obviously important. And his message is reaching people. Gah. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. If it ain't broke...
 
I've not seen it said, but none of these guys can hold a candle to Stewart as an interviewer. Noah is terrible at it. He doesn't bring the breadth of knowledge, experience or sincerity that JS did. Oliver was so bad at it that they scrapped the segment on his show. I could see Wilmore possibly being okay, but that roundtable is awful. It seems like a crutch he maybe needed early on, but now needs to discard.
 
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