The cry against "sniper" rifles is starting to come in congress.

[Zebo]

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How are they different? 400 (hunting) yards or 1000 (sniper)?

 

[Viper GTS]

I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

 

[Desslok]

It was only a matter of time. I wonder why they haven't tried to ban knives yet??

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

Well it's a .223 after all which has NEVER been considered a "snipers" gun like a .308. . Guess the press would consider a 30-06 an ICBM.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

Ok Jello what is a "Sniper's rifle"?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot.

What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

Ok Jello what is a "Sniper's rifle"?

I don't know.. but you guys seem to make the distinction between sniper rifles and wal mart guns.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot.

What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head.

Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still...

It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not.

Viper GTS

 

[gentobu]

Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the top Democrat on the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), and three fellow House Democrats wrote in a letter to the FTC that sniper weapons are different from standard hunting rifles because they are designed to strike a target from a distance.

as opposed to walking up to the target and hitting it with the stock of the gun?

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

Ok Jello what is a "Sniper's rifle"?

I don't know.. but you guys seem to make the distinction between sniper rifles and wal mart guns.

So would you ban the machted rifles that the target shooters use in their sport? Those could be considered sniper rifles.

Would you ban a hunting rifle with a 10x scope on it?

Where would you stop Jello?

Comparing a sniper's rifle to an automatic weapon is WAY off.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

"Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope

Exactly. Hunting rifles are far more powerful and have a far better range. Hell, even 60 year old Garands are better.

Heard something on the TV earlier about how some House folks were already gathering a fingerprinting bill together. Said Bush was opposed to it. If it does pass wonder what they will want. Apply to newly made guns? Want people to bring in their old ones?

Lets have mandatory DNA sampling while we are at it.

And since when were automatics illegal? They are perfectly legal for civs to own as long as you fit the requirements (and have assloads of cash).

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

No offense but liberal is the opposite of prohibiting guns - your gun laws are extremely liberal. Thought u might want to know.

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot. What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head. Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still... It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not. Viper GTS

ah, but there's the rub - is the right of your 15 year old brother to shoot squirrels in the head more important than the right of a dozen people not to be arbitrarily shot? would your brother give up his right to purchase his gun if that meant the sniper wouldn't have been able to purchase his own rifle?

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

No offense but liberal is the opposite of prohibiting guns - your gun laws are extremely liberal. Thought u might want to know.

I'll forgive you since you're German & obviously don't have the slightest fvcking clue what you're talking about, but here in the US the more conservative of the two primary parties (read: republicans) support gun freedoms, while the liberal party (read: democrats) supports gun legislation.

Viper GTS

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot. What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head. Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still... It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not. Viper GTS

ah, but there's the rub - is the right of your 15 year old brother to shoot squirrels in the head more important than the right of a dozen people not to be arbitrarily shot? would your brother give up his right to purchase his gun if that meant the sniper wouldn't have been able to purchase his own rifle?

Whether or not the weapon is legal has no bearing whatsoever on the so called "sniper" that is operating in DC. Last time I checked putting .223 rounds in innocent civilians was illegal, much more so than owning any type of gun. Obviously the weapon being illegal would solve the entire problem, why would our sniper friend want to do something illegal?

Viper GTS

 

[gentobu]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot. What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head. Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still... It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not. Viper GTS

ah, but there's the rub - is the right of your 15 year old brother to shoot squirrels in the head more important than the right of a dozen people not to be arbitrarily shot? would your brother give up his right to purchase his gun if that meant the sniper wouldn't have been able to purchase his own rifle?

The problem with banning weapons is that all it does is prevent someone from legaly purchasing them, and if you are going off on some mass killing spree, then I doubt that you would want to do that.

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot. What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head. Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still... It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not. Viper GTS

ah, but there's the rub - is the right of your 15 year old brother to shoot squirrels in the head more important than the right of a dozen people not to be arbitrarily shot? would your brother give up his right to purchase his gun if that meant the sniper wouldn't have been able to purchase his own rifle?

Whether or not the weapon is legal has no bearing whatsoever on the so called "sniper" that is operating in DC. Last time I checked putting .223 rounds in innocent civilians was illegal, much more so than owning any type of gun. Obviously the weapon being illegal would solve the entire problem, why would our sniper friend want to do something illegal? Viper GTS

my question was more in the hypothetical sense. granted, the sniper might still have tried to find a rifle if guns were illegal, but he would probably have a harder time. i simply have a hard time seeing the reasonable use of guns outweighing the incredible potential for abuse. target shooting and deer hunting are less important to me than trying to actively prevent murders.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot. What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head. Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still... It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not. Viper GTS

ah, but there's the rub - is the right of your 15 year old brother to shoot squirrels in the head more important than the right of a dozen people not to be arbitrarily shot? would your brother give up his right to purchase his gun if that meant the sniper wouldn't have been able to purchase his own rifle?

Whether or not the weapon is legal has no bearing whatsoever on the so called "sniper" that is operating in DC. Last time I checked putting .223 rounds in innocent civilians was illegal, much more so than owning any type of gun. Obviously the weapon being illegal would solve the entire problem, why would our sniper friend want to do something illegal? Viper GTS

my question was more in the hypothetical sense. granted, the sniper might still have tried to find a rifle if guns were illegal, but he would probably have a harder time. i simply have a hard time seeing the reasonable use of guns outweighing the incredible potential for abuse. target shooting and deer hunting are less important to me than trying to actively prevent murders.

I really need to go to bed, but I just wanted to point out that we were specifically warned against this by our forefathers:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
? Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), Letter to Josiah Quincy, Sept. 11, 1773.

Which is PRECISELY what you are suggesting.

Viper GTS

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot. What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head. Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still... It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not. Viper GTS

ah, but there's the rub - is the right of your 15 year old brother to shoot squirrels in the head more important than the right of a dozen people not to be arbitrarily shot? would your brother give up his right to purchase his gun if that meant the sniper wouldn't have been able to purchase his own rifle?

Whether or not the weapon is legal has no bearing whatsoever on the so called "sniper" that is operating in DC. Last time I checked putting .223 rounds in innocent civilians was illegal, much more so than owning any type of gun. Obviously the weapon being illegal would solve the entire problem, why would our sniper friend want to do something illegal? Viper GTS

my question was more in the hypothetical sense. granted, the sniper might still have tried to find a rifle if guns were illegal, but he would probably have a harder time. i simply have a hard time seeing the reasonable use of guns outweighing the incredible potential for abuse. target shooting and deer hunting are less important to me than trying to actively prevent murders.

Gun are outlawed in Washington, D.C. Even so, for several years it had the highest homocide rate of any city in the USA. Banning them wont stop anything except legal use.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

Automatic weapons are not illegal. You need a federal license to own one. That means fingerprints on FBI files. That means sh|tloads of money each year to have one. But you also need a house or storage unit to keep the automatic weapons in that is deemed safe to the community by the feds.

I know a man who owns his own security company and has a Browning Automatic Rifle.

nik

 

[Dragnov]

I wish all guns are banned EVENTUALLY (except for hunting possibly). Theres no need for handguns or anything of that sort, if the law was actually enforced. At the moment being though, theres absolutely no point in these dumb@ss "strict" gun control laws because they only prevent regular people from protecting themselves, and does little to prevent true murderers, gangs, and theives from getting guns. Most of asia, thers crime and stuff.. but you don't have to worry about getting shot ever at least... gun control is actually enforced.

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms. That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots. Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

This is the thing: a 223 is not a sniper round. As a matter of a fact, a body shot at 100 yards isnt a "sniper" shot. "Sniper rifles" as your average congressman understands it are black colored rifles with a scope. A body shot at 100 yards is what you try to do when hunting a game animal when you dont have much time to set up your shot. What are they going to do, decree all firearms sold in the USA must have an MOA over 5?

My brother's single shot .22 would fit that description then. And he's quite accurate with it too, he regularly takes the heads off of squirrels at a distance that I cannot even see the squirrel let alone it's head. Of course I'm illegal to drive without my RGP's, but still... It seems to me the media is getting all worked up over something my 15 year old brother could do with his $120 rifle + a box of hollowpoint .22 rounds - If he was fvcking nuts, which he's not. Viper GTS

ah, but there's the rub - is the right of your 15 year old brother to shoot squirrels in the head more important than the right of a dozen people not to be arbitrarily shot? would your brother give up his right to purchase his gun if that meant the sniper wouldn't have been able to purchase his own rifle?

Whether or not the weapon is legal has no bearing whatsoever on the so called "sniper" that is operating in DC. Last time I checked putting .223 rounds in innocent civilians was illegal, much more so than owning any type of gun. Obviously the weapon being illegal would solve the entire problem, why would our sniper friend want to do something illegal? Viper GTS

my question was more in the hypothetical sense. granted, the sniper might still have tried to find a rifle if guns were illegal, but he would probably have a harder time. i simply have a hard time seeing the reasonable use of guns outweighing the incredible potential for abuse. target shooting and deer hunting are less important to me than trying to actively prevent murders.

I really need to go to bed, but I just wanted to point out that we were specifically warned against this by our forefathers: They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), Letter to Josiah Quincy, Sept. 11, 1773. Which is PRECISELY what you are suggesting. Viper GTS

it *would* be what i'm suggesting, if i agreed that owning a gun was an essential liberty. which i most certainly am not. there are quite a few non-lethal and very effective ways to defend yourself against attackers. we have a military to protect us against foreign enemies and a police to protect us against domestic enemies. simply, civilians do not need to own firearms. i don't know how we're going to get out of this mess (i believe someone posted in another thread that there are several hundred million guns owned by citizens of this country), but we must do something.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
I wish all guns are banned EVENTUALLY (except for hunting possibly). Theres no need for handguns or anything of that sort, if the law was actually enforced. At the moment being though, theres absolutely no point in these dumb@ss "strict" gun control laws because they only prevent regular people from protecting themselves, and does little to prevent true murderers, gangs, and theives from getting guns. Most of asia, thers crime and stuff.. but you don't have to worry about getting shot ever at least... gun control is actually enforced.

Oh yea! Ban all guns! Worked really good over in England!! I have an idea lets turn ourselves into a copy of China! Yea sounds like a good idea! Oh aNd NiCe HaNdLe

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I hope for the sake of gun freedoms in the US that the weapon that is being used is a nice brown hunting rifle + scope, available at any sporting goods store that carries firearms.

That way a bunch of gun-grabbing liberals look like idiots.

Viper GTS

God forbid sniper rifles become illegal like automatic weapons.

Automatic weapons are not illegal. You need a federal license to own one. That means fingerprints on FBI files. That means sh|tloads of money each year to have one. But you also need a house or storage unit to keep the automatic weapons in that is deemed safe to the community by the feds.

I know a man who owns his own security company and has a Browning Automatic Rifle.

nik

It works a little different than that actually. Machine guns (for the sake of brevity) do not require any special license. They are on what's called a Form 4. You find what you want to buy, and fill out the form and send it to the ATF. After a few months you are approved (baring any reason you should be denied, such as a felony conviction). The gun is then transfered to a Class 3 dealer in your state where you pick it up and pay the $200 tax. Same goes for supressors.

This applies to full auto/select fires made before 86. After that autos are restricted to Class 2 (manufacturers) and Class 3 (dealers) holders. So a P90 made in 98 could be sold from one Class 3 to another, but not to a civ. But a MAC10 made in 84 could be sold from a Class 3 to an individual, or by individual to an individual (but the gun still has to go through the Form 4 and the Class 3 dealer).

AFAIK they are not fingerprinted, as many are sold as unfired. They are all registered though. And again, AFAIK, one that is not registered now, cannot be registered (like if you found an M2 Carbine that your grandpa brought back from the war and was never registered). Not registered=illegal=da big house.