The coming social crises.

[ElMonoDelMar]

I'd buy some weed with mine just to piss off the uptight righties.

 

[Meghan54]

Fuck off.

The point is to stimulate the economy, your moralistic horseshit that some people would not spend it in the right way is like every argument ever made against social safety nets.

If one is looking to stimulate the economy, are there too many wrong ways to spend money?

 

[brycejones]

If one is looking to stimulate the economy, are there too many wrong ways to spend money?

It seems there are to some people.

 

[Meghan54]

That plan assumes every adult would do the adult thing with the money and use it to pay bills...instead of pissing it away on..."stuff."

Some would, for sure, but I suspect more would just spend it...

Aaaand that's exactly what a stimulus should do....be spent on whatever the person needs/wants. If I'm not behind on my mortgage/rent/utilities, then it'll be spent on wants instead of needs. Either way, the stimulus money is supposed to be spent....

 

[Pohemi]

What do you think? I'm gonna refuse it on grounds it's some kind of "dirty money"

Of course not, because you are a dishonest sack of shit. You'd sit here and talk down safety nets and "handouts" and scoop it right up with the rest of the country.

That plan assumes every adult would do the adult thing with the money and use it to pay bills...instead of pissing it away on..."stuff."

Some would, for sure, but I suspect more would just spend it...

So? If they're 9 months behind on rent or mortgage, do you really believe that they'd choose to go buy "stuff" instead of keeping the roof over their heads? A few loonies might...but widespread? Get real.

Would it be more acceptable to you if you were the one deciding how everyone spent theirs? Sounds like horseshit.

 

[DaaQ]

$10,000 to every US Adult. Costs 1.8T, which is 1/3 of what was spent earlier. The bill can be written on a page, and there's exactly zero special interests for either party, assuming neither party has a special interest in helping every US Adult.

Immediately helps 90% of the population struggling with their rent/mortgage, utilities, food, and debt.

Pass that bill tomorrow. On one page of paper.

Then the next day, you can pass another $1T bill to fund Police/Fire/Hospitals/Utility Companies so that everyone can stay safe, inside, and able to receive medical care if needed.

Then Democrats and Republicans can butt heads about which groups of rich and powerful people get more money because the pandemic cut into their expected earnings.

You actually think the Legislatures actually write Laws these days?

 

[nickqt]

You actually think the Legislatures actually write Laws these days?

The House and Senate are still in charge of what laws are presented to their respective bodies for votes. Just because they typically just vote for whatever their patrons hand to them doesn't remove their continued power over what laws are presented for votes.

 

[Muse]

That plan assumes every adult would do the adult thing with the money and use it to pay bills...instead of pissing it away on..."stuff."

Some would, for sure, but I suspect more would just spend it...

Shit, I don't know about you guys but the first thing I do with my cash is pay all my bills. Only then would I consider spending it on "stuff."

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Who cares. The stock market is doing good with trillions of fed bucks. Fuck everybody else.

Yup. Just like Pelosi has advocated. Were good to go!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The Mexican authorities have responded to my inquiry. They have indicated that if we pay Mexico $2,291,114,880,000 per year, they will commence the clean up in the southern United States.

Initially I thought this was a bit expensive, but then those same Mexican authorities pointed that was only a mere $20,000 per person per year. Apparently this is far less then what said red states are currently receiving in federal aid every year.

This would result in the US paying off its entire deficit in less then one year. Sadly, my illuminate masters rejected this plan, claiming it was unethical to make someone else clean up the mess.

Yeah we just have all these Americans that make above average income flocking to Shithole--- I mean Mexico.

We better do something to prevent that nonexistant event!

Remind me again, which celebrities were saying "If Trump is elected I will move to Mexico" ?



Oh right - none of them. You incompetent twat.

 

[DaaQ]

The House and Senate are still in charge of what laws are presented to their respective bodies for votes. Just because they typically just vote for whatever their patrons hand to them doesn't remove their continued power over what laws are presented for votes.

Well when the lobbyists and thinktanks, provide the legislation, which removes all legislative power from the Legislator, other than the Majority Leader deciding whether to bring it to a vote or not is not continued power of their elected office.

 

[nickqt]

Well when the lobbyists and thinktanks, provide the legislation, which removes all legislative power from the Legislator, other than the Majority Leader deciding whether to bring it to a vote or not is not continued power of their elected office.

There are any number of House bills that have been passed in the past 2 years. McConnell, as Senate Majority Leader, can choose not to bring any bill up if he so chooses. It doesn't preclude the House from bringing up and passing my proposed bill to give every US Adult $10,000. It also doesn't preclude the Republican Party to elect another Senate Majority Leader to bring that bill up.

The problem, as always, is the Republican Party itself. If that festering shitbag party was even remotely functional, this wouldn't be a lingering issue. Unfortunately, the Republican Party has been captured by the oligarchs who own and operate everything else and who, as you note, typically write the legislation.

 

[MrSquished]

Yup. Just like Pelosi has advocated. Were good to go!

You are so predictable. You never respond when your posts get decimated, which is almost all the time and in the first response, then in another thread you reference that idea you had in the thread where it got smashed to pieces, like you had the right point in the first place. It's really weird.

Go cry about Pelosi having a nice fridge, defending swastikas cause they are just adhesives, posting that Santas are now too PC, or whatever other bullshit exists in your political mind that knows n0thing.

 

[DaaQ]

The problem is you think it's just one sided.

All Representatives, spend "most" of their time in office, worrying about reelection. It's just the way it is. Sure "some" may actually write a bill, but the majority don't.
I am speaking of the House, since they only have two years, before each Election cycle.

The Senate is just as bad, except, they have 6 years to pander to their special interests.

Long story short, is we need money out of Politics, and also a Constitutional Amendment to overturn Citizen's United.

 

[Leeea]

Oh right - none of them. You incompetent twat.

life tip:

When a person resorts to insults, they lost the discussion. It is an admission that said person is not capable of putting together a reasonable statement in response.

 

[Jaskalas]

The idea that my immediate family would have $30,000. My Sister's family would have the same. Would be mind blowing in terms of how much that would improve our situation and help build a venture to keep us afloat.

And that sum is LESS than what Congress already been spent on "stimulus" in 2020.

American people haven't gotten !@#$ out of Congress.

 

[nickqt]

The problem is you think it's just one sided.

All Representatives, spend "most" of their time in office, worrying about reelection. It's just the way it is. Sure "some" may actually write a bill, but the majority don't.
I am speaking of the House, since they only have two years, before each Election cycle.

The Senate is just as bad, except, they have 6 years to pander to their special interests.

Long story short, is we need money out of Politics, and also a Constitutional Amendment to overturn Citizen's United.

No, I don't think it's just one sided. Of course, while the Democratic Party is just as corrupt as any other major political party across the Western World, the Republican Party is a festering shitbag party full of treasonous bought-and-sold shills. No, the Democratic Party isn't going to solve every problem we have. But if you think the Republican Party is going to do anything more than cut taxes for the richest people in the solar system, you're delusional.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, half of the House Republican Caucus has signed on to overturning the election because their candidate didn't win.

And... you're talking about a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to overturn Citizens United?

Sure, let's do it.

But I can guarantee you that you'll get closer-to-zero than 20 Republicans in favor, while you'd probably get more than half of Democrats in favor. I mean, say what you will, but you do know that a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT overturning Citizens' United is actually included in the Democratic Party 2020 Platform, right? That isn't one sided.

 

[Jaskalas]

But the fact is an economic crisis is rapidly developing. Great Depression size.

@nickqt has a plan to snip it in the bud, one that costs LESS than what Congress already spent in 2020.
And at the end of the day, it'll never happen. Republicans are thinking of sliding by with $600. This will fail. The Senate is failing to act. Congress doesn't have the balls to reach far enough.

Devastation is coming to America. Looting and violence to follow? People need shelter. People need to eat. If society does not provide, then violence will. Not a threat - it's a statement of what is to come for our nation. From our people desperate in their need. What else are they to do than take what they need? If successful leadership does not come from the top - it'll become grass roots. AKA Terrorist Cells, by any other name. Local organizers to provide shelter and food will use force to acquire what is needed. Their ability to provide will swell their ranks.

Either Congress provides, or Warlords will.

 

[nickqt]

But the fact is an economic crisis is rapidly developing. Great Depression size.

@nickqt has a plan to snip it in the bud, one that costs LESS than what Congress already spent in 2020.
And at the end of the day, it'll never happen. Republicans are thinking of sliding by with $600. This will fail. The Senate is failing to act. Congress doesn't have the balls to reach far enough.

Devastation is coming to America. Looting and violence to follow? People need shelter. People need to eat. If society does not provide, then violence will. Not a threat - it's a statement of what is to come for our nation. From our people desperate in their need. What else are they to do than take what they need? If successful leadership does not come from the top - it'll become grass roots. AKA Terrorist Cells, by any other name. Local organizers to provide shelter and food will use force to acquire what is needed. Their ability to provide will swell their ranks.

Either Congress provides, or Warlords will.

I've been talking about that bill for months now, on here.

It's so, so simple, and such an easy win for every single politician who votes for it.

And, of course, it helps every single American. If you don't need the money, invest it, boom, your money is an investment for your future and the country's economic future. If you need it for rent/mortgage, boom, you get to stay inside. If you need it for debt payments, food, utilities, then boom, no more late fees/struggling to feed yourself and your family. And of course, if you're a "bad person" and just spend the money on Coors Light, a luxury suitcase, and Thai Food, well guess what, those small/large/corporate businesses just got a needed cash infusion.

It helps small business. It helps large business. It helps corporations. It helps banks. It helps EVERYONE. And it's cheap, $1.8T sounds like a lot of money but it's literally closer to zero than another economic "Great Recession" or Depression...that money is either going to other people, business, or banks, rather than already-existing wealth evaporating into nothingness due to a recession/depression.

It's win-win-win. Everyone wins. Republicans. Democrats. Woke libtards, traditional racists. Everyone.

And yes, it's so simple, and so easy, that instead this country is going to behave like a third world shithole, because the only thing that matters for 1/2 of the politicians is their fealty to the cult of Donald Trump.

That it won't happen is just a heads-up that 2020 wasn't an anomaly - it's the future. Maybe, if the Democratic Party wins both seats in Georgia we can provide the extremely important assistance to Americans to head-off an acceleration of the US collapse.

For anyone who is still living in rainbow land, all of this leads to civil war in our lifetimes, unless the treason of the Republican Party, and the assistance Americans need, happens very soon.

Yeah, yeah, paranoid pessimism...except I was also saying for months that the election was going to be a toss-up regardless of the "polls". Look at the election of 1860, and just read the list of current Republican Congressmen who are actively trying to overturn the election. History rhymes and here we are.

 

[Muse]

There are any number of House bills that have been passed in the past 2 years. McConnell, as Senate Majority Leader, can choose not to bring any bill up if he so chooses. It doesn't preclude the House from bringing up and passing my proposed bill to give every US Adult $10,000. It also doesn't preclude the Republican Party to elect another Senate Majority Leader to bring that bill up.

The problem, as always, is the Republican Party itself. If that festering shitbag party was even remotely functional, this wouldn't be a lingering issue. Unfortunately, the Republican Party has been captured by the oligarchs who own and operate everything else and who, as you note, typically write the legislation.

I think you've nailed it there, @nickqt.

I must confess. I've been wondering about Mitch McConnell for a long time, i.e. wondering what makes the man tick, to throw a cliche (really a metaphor) on it. Let me say, because I hesitate to be more blunt, I sometimes hope for his demise. Looking closely, the man doesn't look exactly well, much less vibrant.

 

[Muse]

I mean, say what you will, but you do know that a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT overturning Citizens' United is actually included in the Democratic Party 2020 Platform, right? That isn't one sided.

And you do know that The Republican Party had literally no platform for 2020, right? They didn't even phone it in. Their platform is whatever Donald says.

 

[Muse]

But the fact is an economic crisis is rapidly developing. Great Depression size.

@nickqt has a plan to snip it in the bud, one that costs LESS than what Congress already spent in 2020.
And at the end of the day, it'll never happen. Republicans are thinking of sliding by with $600. This will fail. The Senate is failing to act. Congress doesn't have the balls to reach far enough.

Devastation is coming to America. Looting and violence to follow? People need shelter. People need to eat. If society does not provide, then violence will. Not a threat - it's a statement of what is to come for our nation. From our people desperate in their need. What else are they to do than take what they need? If successful leadership does not come from the top - it'll become grass roots. AKA Terrorist Cells, by any other name. Local organizers to provide shelter and food will use force to acquire what is needed. Their ability to provide will swell their ranks.

Either Congress provides, or Warlords will.

Well, I watch the news nightly since pandemic, 1/2 hour local, then 1/2 hour national. This time of year, even in fat years, there are lots of stories about charities providing for the needy. This year there have been stories all along about drive up food procurement. Giveaways. LONG LINES OF CARS.

Warlords? I can't see that happening in America. There were breadlines during the Great Depression. I see that more likely and if people, I mean significant numbers of people, are starving there will be breadlines again. I suppose that Biden can get that going with EO's, and there is probably existing legislation that would get that rolling/implemented. I haven't been hearing about the food distribution chain being broken down like several months ago. Some of that was diverted to the needy, but IIRC not much.

I'm not saying the crisis you envision won't happen, but it's not my vision of what's going to happen. The vaccine rollouts in the coming year are going to have a huge effect.

I think there's a good chance there will be passed compromise legislation before the new year.

What I don't understand is the GOP's endgame. What will the 2022 election aftermath be?

 

[SMOGZINN]

What I don't understand is the GOP's endgame. What will the 2022 election aftermath be?

The GOP's endgame is the same as it has always been; The Reverse Robinhood. Rob from the poor and give to the rich, blame the Democrats. You see, it is not all the money they are stealing from you that is causing you to be poor, it is that the Democrats try to keep you clothed and fed that is the problem! If they didn't coddle you so you would pull yourself up by the bootstraps. So, in a way it is the Democrats fault that the GOP is stealing all your money.

The 2020 election aftermath? Republicans will pick up seats in the Senate, and probably take the house. The groundwork has already been laid for that. Republicans fuck things up, we elect a Democrat President who has to fix things, and people blame him for the problem and elect Republicans.
This time I suspect they are going to impeach Biden, and possibly Harris and take the White House. What they can't win fairly they will steal.

 

[Jaskalas]

For anyone who is still living in rainbow land, all of this leads to civil war in our lifetimes

Worse. The civil war was a picnic compared to us becoming Afghanistan.

 

[feralkid]

The idea that my immediate family would have $30,000. My Sister's family would have the same. Would be mind blowing in terms of how much that would improve our situation and help build a venture to keep us afloat.

And that sum is LESS than what Congress already been spent on "stimulus" in 2020.

American people haven't gotten !@#$ out of Congress.

I believe it is called "The McConnell Effect".