The Collapse of the Black Family

[Nebor]

I get it, its the fault of a woman for being a single parent. No blame goes to a Father that is purposefully absent from his child's life.

It's so easy for a Father to abandon his child, he cannot get Pregnant, he doesn't have to carry the child to term. He can just..well...leave and never come back. A lot of these "Fathers" go on to get other women pregnant and he will likely leave them too. It's a cycle.

It's definitely an attitude issue with Men who think its okay to run away when he gets a woman pregnant. I'm really tired of the shaming of women that goes on in these forum threads, just because you have a Penis doesn't mean you can do no wrong and just because Women are an obvious minority on ATOT doesn't mean you can blame us for all of the problems of the world.

It takes TWO people to conceive a child.

It's a result of poor partner selection. There have always been deadbeats that abandoned their kids, for thousands of years. But only recently has our culture and feminism encouraged women to choose those types as partners, since there are few personally incurred negative consequences associated with doing so.

If single mothers were still the pariahs they were in the first half of the 1900s, you wouldn't see most of the kids in our country being born to single parents. But when you glamorize it, make it seem noble and brave and incentivize it with tax dollars, what else do you think is going to happen?

 

[OverVolt]

It's a result of poor partner selection. There have always been deadbeats that abandoned their kids, for thousands of years. But only recently has our culture and feminism encouraged women to choose those types as partners, since there are few personally incurred negative consequences associated with doing so.

If single mothers were still the pariahs they were in the first half of the 1900s, you wouldn't see most of the kids in our country being born to single parents. But when you glamorize it, make it seem noble and brave and incentivize it with tax dollars, what else do you think is going to happen?

Follow the money-----------------------

Social "wisdom" always follows the money. This is good, makes sense.

 

[nehalem256]

I get it, its the fault of a woman for being a single parent. No blame goes to a Father that is purposefully absent from his child's life.

Her body, her choice, her responsibility.

It's so easy for a Father to abandon his child, he cannot get Pregnant, he doesn't have to carry the child to term.

It's so easy for a Mother to abandon her child, she cannot get an abortion. she doesn't have to carry the child to term.

In fact its even easier since the government will do nothing to prevent the mother from doing os.

It's definitely an attitude issue with Men who think its okay to run away when he gets a woman pregnant.

And yet you have no problem with a woman running down to planned parenthood if she gets pregnant. Her body, her choice, her responsibility.

I'm really tired of the shaming of women that goes on in these forum threads, just because you have a Penis doesn't mean you can do no wrong and just because Women are an obvious minority on ATOT doesn't mean you can blame us for all of the problems of the world.

It takes TWO people to conceive a child.

Having a child is a woman's issue. Why do you want men to be involved in a woman's issue?

 

[waggy]

lol wow. blaming the women more then the man? fuck that.

Society, TV, movies, music etc are training young men to think of women as a toy. That raising kids will end your social life (though that is changing more in tvand movies).

Culture i think is the biggest negitive enfluance in the poor (notice i say poor not just black. because it seems more prevalent in poor areas). Besides seeing poor choices made in lifestyle, finances, education etc.. they see aunts, mothers etc on welfare and food stamps and living in what they see a good life. They don't need a man with the government.

Then men don't want be real men. they knock a women up and say fuck it not my problem and continue on and knock up baby momma #2...They aren't raised to be real men (both because of no father and society is trying to feminize boys to a point).

you knock a women up? be a man. or better yet be a father. i have no respect for those that run.

I have seen what it does to the young children (girls are hit harder then boys oddly). Fuck you for being so selfish.

 

[nehalem256]

lol wow. blaming the women more then the man? fuck that.

Society, TV, movies, music etc are training young men to think of women as a toy. That raising kids will end your social life (though that is changing more in tvand movies).

Culture i think is the biggest negitive enfluance in the poor (notice i say poor not just black. because it seems more prevalent in poor areas). Besides seeing poor choices made in lifestyle, finances, education etc.. they see aunts, mothers etc on welfare and food stamps and living in what they see a good life. They don't need a man with the government.

Then men don't want be real men. they knock a women up and say fuck it not my problem and continue on and knock up baby momma #2...They aren't raised to be real men (both because of no father and society is trying to feminize boys to a point).

you knock a women up? be a man. or better yet be a father. i have no respect for those that run.

I have seen what it does to the young children (girls are hit harder then boys oddly). Fuck you for being so selfish.

So do you have respect for a woman who gets an abortion?

Should a woman, "woman up", and take responsibility for the child she helped conceive.

Or do you think men should be required to take responsibility for a woman's choice?

 

[dank69]

Her body, her choice, her responsibility.



It's so easy for a Mother to abandon her child, she cannot get an abortion. she doesn't have to carry the child to term.

In fact its even easier since the government will do nothing to prevent the mother from doing os.



And yet you have no problem with a woman running down to planned parenthood if she gets pregnant. Her body, her choice, her responsibility.



Having a child is a woman's issue. Why do you want men to be involved in a woman's issue?

Still can't separate the acts of carrying a child to term and raising a child from birth I see. Makes it easier to make simple arguments I suppose.

 

[nehalem256]

Its not just black families, the baby boomers are the last pillar of rational society (black or not) and when they go its going to be a bad societal environment.

Who told me not to work too much when I was sick? My parents. Who made us actually sit down for dinner? My parents. Who made sure we had a balanced work and social life? My parents.

Things are already turning into working through sickness and spread your germs around like we are in a 3rd world country. Take your work home with you and stress out about it. Eat in front of the TV, standing, studying, in your car, etc. Everyone does it and having a conversation when you eat is ancient history.

The boomers had the wisdom of their parents who went through the great depression instilled in them. Don't kill yourself over work, give people enough breathing room to be human so they perform better. Contrast this to the lessons learned in the great depression where people got fired for getting caught taking a leak. Looks like we are headed that direction again.

Baby boomers are what lead the destruction of morality. It is just that they had little kernel of morality left from their upbringing that kept them from going all in on immorality.

 

[nehalem256]

Still can't seperate the acts of carrying a child to term and raising a child from birth I see. Makes it easier to make simple arguments I suppose.

Because you cannot separate the acts. One act leads to the next.

If you do not carry a child to term there is no child to raise.

 

[pcgeek11]

Baby boomers are what lead the destruction of morality. It is just that they had little kernel of morality left from their upbringing that kept them from going all in on immorality.

That is priceless. Bull Shit, but priceless. Everything is the baby boomers fault!

Ha Ha!

 

[dank69]

Because you cannot separate the acts. One act leads to the next.

If you do not carry a child to term there is no child to raise.

Is that like how you can separate the act of cooking some eggs and eating the results? One act leads to the next. I guess adoption is impossible in your world, since you can't separate the act of carrying a child to term from raising the child. All this time I've heard about adoption I never knew it was all a fabricated lie.

 

[Retro Rob]

lol wow. blaming the women more then the man? fuck that.

Society, TV, movies, music etc are training young men to think of women as a toy. That raising kids will end your social life (though that is changing more in tvand movies).

Culture i think is the biggest negitive enfluance in the poor (notice i say poor not just black. because it seems more prevalent in poor areas). Besides seeing poor choices made in lifestyle, finances, education etc.. they see aunts, mothers etc on welfare and food stamps and living in what they see a good life. They don't need a man with the government.

Then men don't want be real men. they knock a women up and say fuck it not my problem and continue on and knock up baby momma #2...They aren't raised to be real men (both because of no father and society is trying to feminize boys to a point).

you knock a women up? be a man. or better yet be a father. i have no respect for those that run.

I have seen what it does to the young children (girls are hit harder then boys oddly). Fuck you for being so selfish.

I agree totally. Also something Gov Romney stated concerning the benefit of raising kids with both parents at home even adds to the stability of families and neighborhoods and decreases violence.

To add, I've been told that I'm headed toward social Armageddon by getting married by stupid and idiotic peers of mine. I think bringing a family up in a stable environment where both parents, especially with a hard-working father, would change the landscape of black families.

Yep, those stupid peers of mine are the ones poppin' babies out of random women several times a decade and can't provide adequately for any of them.

 

[soulcougher73]

Could be this sickening mentality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luo40WjBKWI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LWlkXRZ3CA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[nehalem256]

Is that like how you can seperate the act of cooking some eggs and eating the results? One act leads to the next. I guess adoption is impossible in your world, since you can't seperate the act of carrying a child to term from raising the child. All this time I've heard about adoption I never knew it was all a fabricated lie.

So let us get this straight.

You CAN separate the act of carrying a child from the act of raising one

But you can NOT separate the act of conceiving one from the act of raising one

 

[ichy]

It's not just about blacks, there is also significant increase of single mother parenting in white people as well. It's society that has changed from the past and families are no longer required to follow some non-written law. It's quite good sign because women(either black or white) don't need to be married or stay with annoying men anymore. This wasn't possible in the past because women were hardly working and if, only jobs that didn't make enough income to rise children alone. It's all about decreasing male dominance I guess.

Sorry but no, the skyrocketing illegitimacy rate in this country (and it's happening in almost all ethnic groups) is NOT a good thing.

 

[soulcougher73]

I saw we just temporarily sterilize women who fall under a certain single or family income. When you make enough to support a child and want one we will reverse the sterilization. And what i mean by "sterilization" is basically a depo shot given by the government. So its just BC that goes away over time.

And this applies to all women. Im not singling blacks out which this thread is about.

 

[ichy]

I get it, its the fault of a woman for being a single parent. No blame goes to a Father that is purposefully absent from his child's life.

It's so easy for a Father to abandon his child, he cannot get Pregnant, he doesn't have to carry the child to term. He can just..well...leave and never come back. A lot of these "Fathers" go on to get other women pregnant and he will likely leave them too. It's a cycle.

I think that almost everyone here would agree that "men" with multiple illegitimate children who they don't support or help raise are scumbags.

 

[nehalem256]

It's not just about blacks, there is also significant increase of single mother parenting in white people as well. It's society that has changed from the past and families are no longer required to follow some non-written law. It's quite good sign because women(either black or white) don't need to be married or stay with annoying men anymore. This wasn't possible in the past because women were hardly working and if, only jobs that didn't make enough income to rise children alone. It's all about decreasing male dominance I guess.

You do realize that close to 40% of single mothers are in poverty right ( a rate ~5x that for married couples).

And the bolded is a big WTF. So only women are "annoying". And your use of the word "annoying" is hilarious, but yet oddly honest. It is not that their husband beats her, its that he leaves his socks on the floor

 

[soulcougher73]

I get it, its the fault of a woman for being a single parent. No blame goes to a Father that is purposefully absent from his child's life.

It's so easy for a Father to abandon his child, he cannot get Pregnant, he doesn't have to carry the child to term. He can just..well...leave and never come back. A lot of these "Fathers" go on to get other women pregnant and he will likely leave them too. It's a cycle.

It's definitely an attitude issue with Men who think its okay to run away when he gets a woman pregnant. I'm really tired of the shaming of women that goes on in these forum threads, just because you have a Penis doesn't mean you can do no wrong and just because Women are an obvious minority on ATOT doesn't mean you can blame us for all of the problems of the world.

It takes TWO people to conceive a child.

You are right to an extent. But a women has full responsibility and control of her body. She can get an abortion or adoption instead of being a single mother if she or even they (assuming guy stays around) cannot afford to take on a child.

 

[nehalem256]

I think that almost everyone here would agree that "men" with multiple illegitimate children who they don't support or help raise are scumbags.

Agreed. See for example the guy was 30 kids by 11 women.

The question is why to women continue to mate with these scumbags? I mean if it doesn't support the previous 3 kids he fathered on you why do you continue to breed with him?

 

[dank69]

So let us get this straight.

You CAN separate the act of carrying a child from the act of raising one

But you can NOT separate the act of conceiving one from the act of raising one

Why don't you try the following mental exercise:

In general, what percentage of effort does the man have in conceiving a child? What percentage does the woman have?

What percentage of effort does the man have in carrying the child to term once it is conceived? The woman?

While you do that I will answer your retarded question. You can separate the act of conceiving a child from the responsibility of raising said child if there is a way to separate the uninterested party's genetic contributions.

 

[Svnla]

Nearly 70% of black women are unmarried = http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903454504576486492588283556.html


Why?

Audrey and other black women confront a social scene in which desirable black men are scarce.

Part of the problem is incarceration. More than two million men are now imprisoned in the U.S., and roughly 40% of them are African-American. At any given time, more than 10% of black men in their 20s or 30s—prime marrying ages—are in jail or prison.

... more than half of black marriages dissolve.

Let see, blacks are less than 15% of US population (13.1% per Census Bureau) yet 40% of prison population is blacks (triple the amount of percentage of blacks population). You do the math.

And the vicious cycle continues.....and continues.......

 

[nehalem256]

Why don't you try the following mental exercise:

In general, what percentage of effort does the man have in conceiving a child? What percentage does the woman have?

What percentage of effort does the man have in carrying the child to term once it is conceived? The woman?

Well since carrying the child around in you counts as effort. I would assume that carrying the ejaculation fluid around inside you after sex also counts as effort. So in order to determine the relative effort we would need to determine the average length of intercourse and the average time from intercourse until the egg is fertilized.

While you do that I will answer your retarded question. You can seperate the act of conceiving a child from the responsibility of raising said child if there is a way to seperate the uninterested party's genetic contributions.

You were the one who brought up adoption. Clearly you think it is okay to separate the responsibility of raising a child from the party's genetic contribution... at least if said party is a woman.

Nearly 70% of black women are unmarried = http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903454504576486492588283556.html

Why?

Let see, blacks are less than 15% of US population yet 40% of prison population is blacks. You do the math.

And the vicious cycle continues.....and continues.......

So not only are black women having children out of marriage. They are having children with criminals

 

[dank69]

Well since carrying the child around in you counts as effort. I would assume that carrying the ejaculation fluid around inside you after sex also counts as effort. So in order to determine the relative effort we would need to determine the average length of intercourse and the average time from intercourse until the egg is fertilized.

...

I don't see any percentages there, sunshine. I see, however, that you are trying to sell the idea that the effort required to carry a child to term is similar to that required to carry a load of sperm. That is fascinating. Please continue until you reach the climax of your calculations.

 

[Saint Nick]

Wow, SheHateMe is awfully defensive on the subject...lol

Don't forget to take your blood pressure meds. Remember stereotypes exist for a reason.

 

[CitizenKain]

Nearly 70% of black women are unmarried = http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903454504576486492588283556.html


Why?



Let see, blacks are less than 15% of US population (13.1% per Census Bureau) yet 40% of prison population is blacks (triple the amount of percentage of blacks population). You do the math.

And the vicious cycle continues.....and continues.......

Yes, its called racist drug laws that target minorities.