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The Cognitive Decline Disinformation Campaign Being Launched Against Biden

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sandorski said:
Bernie is widely respected and trusted.
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Not by the people who stroke their guns and "back the blue," he ain't. Neither by the ones who call themselves "patriots" and "Real Americans" and believe that "America is a Christian nation." Not to the crowd that believes BLM and Kaep are greater threats to freedom than police extrajudicial executions of black men .
This is the white working class Americans you expected to vote for Bernie.
I really feel like, as a Canadian, you should understand Americans better than this. Especially when you have more or less the same crazies.
 
gothuevos said:
Even 2020 feels like a lifetime ago. Biden capitalized on COVID and general Trump dislike.

At this point, Trump isn't going to lose any voters no matter what else he does, additional indictments, convictions, etc.

But there's plenty of time to get just enough people to continue to sour on Biden. Trump has already hit his floor, Biden, well....he can dig himself deeper.

There's just this general "malaise" among voters with regards to Biden. And a lot of it isn't deserved. But sometimes perception is reality and he should be considered the underdog at this point.

See all you fellow vermin in the camps!
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2018: Democrats are doomed! (Democrats win)

2020: this time is different! Trump is on the ballot! Democrats are doomed! (Democrats win)

2022: this time is different! Democrats are doomed! (Democrats hugely over perform)

2024: this time is different!

lol. It’s okay - you have some weird fetish where you like to shit your pants. I guess as long as you’re happy.
 
fskimospy said:
lol. It’s okay - you have some weird fetish where you like to shit your pants. I guess as long as you’re happy.
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No, it's just that those of us who would be persona non grata in the eyes of the new regime try not to get our hopes up for anything.
 
Dems for sure should not get overconfident with Biden, as there is tremendous risk to the future of the American Republic with a Trump re-election, but at same time, they should absolutely capitalize on the fact that most Americans are weary of Trump and don't really want him back.
Also, Republicans policies are extremely unpopular with almost a supermajority of Americans. Dems need to get abortion and marijuana bills on the ballot of every swing state. Dems need to be vocally championing their commitment to freedom FOR ALL. Especially religious freedoms. Seize the narrative. Let the GOP keep their batshit base and take control of the fact it is Trump and the GOP that serves the will of the elites and it is the Dems who have the policies that most Americans want.
 
Vic said:
Not by the people who stroke their guns and "back the blue," he ain't. Neither by the ones who call themselves "patriots" and "Real Americans" and believe that "America is a Christian nation." Not to the crowd that believes BLM and Kaep are greater threats to freedom than police extrajudicial executions of black men .
This is the white working class Americans you expected to vote for Bernie.
I really feel like, as a Canadian, you should understand Americans better than this. Especially when you have more or less the same crazies.
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People can be moved from their positions if given the opportunity. Those swing states, like Ohio, are Economically depressed since the 80's. It is the prime motivator for their anger. Moving the Democratic Party back towards Workers and the Middle Class will move many of them.
 
fskimospy said:
No, it is not.
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Ancient Wisdom: "It's the Economy, stupid"

That issue does not only affect Swing States, it's a core issue on a number of issues, such as Housing. Fundamental change is needed and will undermine MAGA, Racism, and other Social ills.
 
sandorski said:
Ancient Wisdom: "It's the Economy, stupid"

That issue does not only affect Swing States, it's a core issue on a number of issues, such as Housing. Fundamental change is needed and will undermine MAGA, Racism, and other Social ills.
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Tell that to Gore in 2000 and Obama in 2012.
 
sandorski said:
Ancient Wisdom: "It's the Economy, stupid"

That issue does not only affect Swing States, it's a core issue on a number of issues, such as Housing. Fundamental change is needed and will undermine MAGA, Racism, and other Social ills.
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I don't think you understand the depth of this culture war. You seem to think it's just a cover for economic desperation. Maybe you don't have as many racist, redneck bible thumpers in your neck of the woods. No amount of promising to give them more stuff is going to sway them.

I have only one caveat, which is that improving everyone's economic plight would undoubtedly increase college enrollment. Higher education can, in turn, be an antidote for tribalism. Unfortunately, that's a generational solution that isn't going to help us out of this right now. So I support what you want to do, but I don't think making such promises is going to persuade any of them because the underlying anger is far more insidious than you think it is.
 
gothuevos said:
No, it's just that those of us who would be persona non grata in the eyes of the new regime try not to get our hopes up for anything.
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Uh... time to delete all social media accounts and create new ones, plus pull every single EU "right to be forgotten" lever in existence. The Orange Stasi is coming for YOU.

By the way, for one, Bill Maher is convinced that Trump will win over Biden... There is that.
 
ondma said:
Yea, Trump is only slightly younger than Biden, but he seems much more vigorous. He has one advantage, in that if he says something stupid, it just seems like his normal ranting, not necessarily that he is losing it.
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Dr Ronny Jackson is that you?
 
Fear is the mind killer. It makes people irrational and it also makes them conservative. Conservative thinking animated by fear is authoritarian. Authoritarianism creates the force of demand. It creates the desire for some authoritarian figure to save us. Save us, save us please. We feel terror and that makes us a victim. All of that fear can be the result of the impending fear we are on the verge of becoming an authoritarian state. Fear of an authoritarian state can make people irrational.
 
woolfe9998 said:
I don't think you understand the depth of this culture war. You seem to think it's just a cover for economic desperation. Maybe you don't have as many racist, redneck bible thumpers in your neck of the woods. No amount of promising to give them more stuff is going to sway them.

I have only one caveat, which is that improving everyone's economic plight would undoubtedly increase college enrollment. Higher education can, in turn, be an antidote for tribalism. Unfortunately, that's a generational solution that isn't going to help us out of this right now. So I support what you want to do, but I don't think making such promises is going to persuade any of them because the underlying anger is far more insidious than you think it is.
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The Economics provided the ground work for resentment. That resentment helped foster the Culture War. Quit ignoring how Economics have radicalized people throughout history. Germany comes to mind.
 
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fskimospy said:
I'm skeptical of him outperforming Clinton for one primary (har) reason: he was never subject to significant, sustained attacks. Clinton, knowing she had won, was trying not to antagonize his supporters further, and Republicans of course were happy to see him stay in as long as possible. I personally think Sanders has significant vulnerabilities that would have become more prominent and dragged him down if he were the nominee. Sort of like how the most popular guy in town is the second string quarterback.

I like Bernie - I would have happily voted for him had he been the nominee. I am skeptical of his electoral strength in a nationwide election though, but as you mention this isn't Star Trek so there's no Goateed Bernie in a mirror universe to run.
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Fair enough, I didn't mean to interject Bernie into this silly debate to be honest. Unless he dies, Biden is running and that's all that really matters.

Obviously I disagree with the notion that Sanders was "unelectable." Like I said, I've never cast a ballot for Bernie so it's funny that I'm now being accused of being a "Bernie bro." Worse, that Bernie loyalists (such as myself) should be compared to MAGAt election deniers.

As Nate Silver explained often, Trump has a high floor and a low ceiling (it's very unlikely he could ever hit 50% of the vote in a national election). He won in 2016 only because of a perfect storm of factors: his opponent had an unlikability as bad as his, if not outright worse. Electoral College math. And specifically a crumbling of the Blue wall in the Rust Belt. And don't forget Jim Comey's ridiculous interference, of course.

It's fair to question whether a Jewish Social Democrat could win a national election, since he hadn't been able to do so in 2 primary cycles. And before 2016, I wouldn't have thought he'd have a snowball's chance. If Biden were to quit tomorrow, I wouldn't hitch my ride to Sanders at this point based on age alone. But like I said, the thin evidence we have is that he polled well against DJT. And that he wouldn't have lost all the Rust Belt voters that ran away from Hillary. But anyway, that's all academic and completely irrelevant in the here and now.

Before 2020, I thought Biden was a weak candidate in the field (based largely on his national campaign history), so what do I know. :tearsofjoy:
 
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HomerJS said:
We had an Iran nuclear deal that according to the IAEA was working. Guess who ended i
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fskimospy said:
2018: Democrats are doomed! (Democrats win)

2020: this time is different! Trump is on the ballot! Democrats are doomed! (Democrats win)

2022: this time is different! Democrats are doomed! (Democrats hugely over perform)

2024: this time is different!

lol. It’s okay - you have some weird fetish where you like to shit your pants. I guess as long as you’re happy.
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2016 An idiot like Trump could not possibly beat Hillary. Hillary leads in all the polls. Oops.
 
@ondma in case you’re interested here’s an article from before the 2016 election.

fivethirtyeight.com

Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton

Even at the end of a presidential campaign, polls don’t perfectly predict the final margin in the election. Sometimes the final polls are quite accurate. An ave…
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You’ll notice how in 2016 the real statisticians did not say Trump had no chance. In fact they emphasized the opposite!

Thanks for proving my point though.
 
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