The Cognitive Decline Disinformation Campaign Being Launched Against Biden

[fskimospy]

We had an Iran nuclear deal that according to the IAEA was working. Guess who ended it?

It's always funny how people think it's a credible threat where a group says 'we're mad about your support for Israel therefore we're going to help elect the guy who wants to deport us'.

 

[dainthomas]

Yea, Trump is only slightly younger than Biden, but he seems much more vigorous. He has one advantage, in that if he says something stupid, it just seems like his normal ranting, not necessarily that he is losing it.

I had no idea the definition of vigorous was "can be easily defeated by a ramp."

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I had no idea the definition of vigorous was "can be easily defeated by a ramp."

It's just a synonym for 'loud'.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Trump as vigorous as your drunk grandpa stumbling around at a family gathering and won't stfu about how the whole world is out to get him while eyeing his own grand daughter mumbling about how she's grown.

 

[gothuevos]

Have you gone back and looked at polls at the same time during Obamas reelection? Numbers were close to the same. How did that turn out?

I get what you're saying but 2012 was another lifetime ago in terms of the political landscape.

 

[fskimospy]

I get what you're saying but 2012 was another lifetime ago in terms of the political landscape.

Here's you in 2020 saying everything was different then right before Trump lost.

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[manly]

I love how he genuinely thinks that exercise uses up your body’s finite supply of energy like he’s Spawn or something.

He does need to preserve his energy to keep cheating on his wife.

ondma is so full of shit that a big city's sewage treatment plant must be jealous. He blames Joe Biden for anything and everything, and when called out on it, says it doesn't matter who's at fault. Guess who he's voting for again in 2024?

 

[woolfe9998]

WTF is that based on? Have you looked at the physical condition of the two?

It's really simple see. One guy has grey hair while the other has orange dye. Let me tell you, no one understands the virility added by that orange dye until they try it. Takes 15 years off your life instantly.

 

[sandorski]

For the thousandth time, Bernie Sanders will never be POTUS.
America is already dealing with massive antisemitism from the right-wing (disingenuously disguised as anti-globalism). So much so that leading right-wing figures are celebrated for retweeting the equivalent of "Jews will not replace us" by mainstream GOP.
Meanwhile, anti-socialist sentiment from the right-wing is so extreme that even our country's founding principle, the proposition that all persons are created equal in the eyes of the law, is denounced as socialism.
And yet, somehow starry-eyed dreamers still believe a socialist Jew will be elected POTUS in this environment.
Many progressives continue to fail to understand that progress is incremental by definition. And that every time well-meaning progressives try to move us forward too quickly, they end setting us back that much further.

So what, Biden couldn't win until he did. Bernie won't, because he is not running.

 

[fskimospy]

So what, Biden couldn't win until he did. Bernie won't, because he is not running.

Biden was the favorite in Democratic primary polling wire to wire:

Nationwide opinion polling for the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

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He was also the favorite to win the general election wire to wire:

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Bernie lost the last two Democratic primaries and it was not particularly close. We aren't talking about a crowded field where he didn't get traction, we're talking about where it was a clear choice between him and another Democrat and he lost badly both times. It's not going to happen and wouldn't happen even if he ran again.

 

[sandorski]

Biden was the favorite in Democratic primary polling wire to wire:

Nationwide opinion polling for the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was also the favorite to win the general election wire to wire:

Politics News | Breaking Political News, Video & Analysis-ABC News

ABC News is your trusted source on political news stories and videos. Get the latest coverage and analysis on everything from the Trump presidency, Senate, House and Supreme Court.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Bernie lost the last two Democratic primaries and it was not particularly close. We aren't talking about a crowded field where he didn't get traction, we're talking about where it was a clear choice between him and another Democrat and he lost badly both times. It's not going to happen and wouldn't happen even if he ran again.

Ok, as it was with Biden.

 

[manly]

Bernie's time has past, but he ran a great campaign in 2016. Not sure why you'd say he lost badly when the entire weight of the party was behind Hillary Clinton. Sanders didn't bow out until mid July.

And IIRC, Sanders did pretty well in fictitious head to head polls against DJT. In 2020, Sanders was certainly "electable." In this regard, he's light years ahead of Kamala Harris or even Elizabeth Warren.

 

[fskimospy]

Ok, as it was with Biden.

Not even close to the same.

Look, Bernie is done running for president and he would have no chance here even if he were. It's over.

 

[fskimospy]

Bernie's time has past, but he ran a great campaign in 2016. Not sure why you'd say he lost badly when the entire weight of the party was behind Hillary Clinton. Sanders didn't bow out until mid July.

And IIRC, Sanders did pretty well in fictitious head to head polls against DJT. In 2020, Sanders was certainly "electable." In this regard, he's light years ahead of Kamala Harris or even Elizabeth Warren.

In terms of 'lost badly' I mean he lost by 12 points in terms of delegates. Maybe he overperformed his fundamentals but the race was not close.

I know he didn't bow out until mid-July, in fact this probably was a contributing factor to Clinton's defeat as it was obviously impossible for him to win since March, and the months of grievance baiting by his supporters made divisions in the party. Clinton, despite being much closer in delegate count, conceded a month earlier.

Once Super Tuesday happened in 2016 Sanders should have conceded as the race was over.

 

[manly]

Considering Clinton was the anointed one, Sanders ran a fantastic campaign IMO. He got 46% of pledged delegates. I will concede to you that Clinton was never truly threatened in the delegates count, which is all that matters.

And unlike Clinton, Sanders probably would have defeated DJT in 2016 but we don't live in an alternate universe:

Poll: Clinton's Lead Over Trump Shrinks to 3 Points

Hillary Clinton's national lead over Donald Trump has narrowed to just three points in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[fskimospy]

Considering Clinton was the anointed one, Sanders ran a fantastic campaign IMO. He got 46% of pledged delegates. I will concede to you that Clinton was never truly threatened in the delegates count, which is all that matters.

And unlike Clinton, Sanders probably would have defeated DJT in 2016 but we don't live in an alternate universe:

Poll: Clinton's Lead Over Trump Shrinks to 3 Points

Hillary Clinton's national lead over Donald Trump has narrowed to just three points in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm skeptical of him outperforming Clinton for one primary (har) reason: he was never subject to significant, sustained attacks. Clinton, knowing she had won, was trying not to antagonize his supporters further, and Republicans of course were happy to see him stay in as long as possible. I personally think Sanders has significant vulnerabilities that would have become more prominent and dragged him down if he were the nominee. Sort of like how the most popular guy in town is the second string quarterback.

I like Bernie - I would have happily voted for him had he been the nominee. I am skeptical of his electoral strength in a nationwide election though, but as you mention this isn't Star Trek so there's no Goateed Bernie in a mirror universe to run.

 

[sandorski]

Bernie was an opportunity. Anand brings up a good point here about Movements.

 

[Vic]

Considering Clinton was the anointed one, Sanders ran a fantastic campaign IMO. He got 46% of pledged delegates. I will concede to you that Clinton was never truly threatened in the delegates count, which is all that matters.

And unlike Clinton, Sanders probably would have defeated DJT in 2016 but we don't live in an alternate universe:

Poll: Clinton's Lead Over Trump Shrinks to 3 Points

Hillary Clinton's national lead over Donald Trump has narrowed to just three points in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

www.nbcnews.com

No, he would not have. Bernie would have been fucking McGoverned by Trump in a landslide. It would have been a complete catastrophe for the Dems (and America overall IMO).
I do not know exactly why Berniebros keep clinging to this idiotic notion that Bernie would have defeated Trump when he couldn't even come close to beating Hillary, but I assume it's to assuage their guilt for their involvement in helping get Trump elected.

 

[brycejones]

Considering Clinton was the anointed one, Sanders ran a fantastic campaign IMO. He got 46% of pledged delegates. I will concede to you that Clinton was never truly threatened in the delegates count, which is all that matters.

And unlike Clinton, Sanders probably would have defeated DJT in 2016 but we don't live in an alternate universe:

Poll: Clinton's Lead Over Trump Shrinks to 3 Points

Hillary Clinton's national lead over Donald Trump has narrowed to just three points in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

www.nbcnews.com

Bless your heart

 

[Vic]

Bless your heart

It is becoming increasingly difficult to discern the difference between a "Bernie would have won" bro and a MAGA election denier. Both believe their feels are more important than the Will of the People.

 

[manly]

This is all hypothetical conjecture, but I'd bet Bernie would have done a lot better in the Rust Belt Blue Wall that lost Hillary the election. The voters that ditched Hillary are specifically the voters that Bernie appeals to (White, working class men). I'm not a Bernie bro, but the polling evidence we have is that he was very competitive with DJT. Considering Trump has never come close to winning 50% of any national election, how exactly does he destroy Bernie?

I've never personally cast a primary ballot for Bernie and although I like him, I don't know that he was ever amongst my top choices unless you count runner-up in 2016.

 

[Vic]

This is all hypothetical conjecture, but I'd bet Bernie would have done a lot better in the Rust Belt Blue Wall that lost Hillary the election. The voters that ditched Hillary are specifically the voters that Bernie appeals to (White, working class men). I'm not a Bernie bro, but the polling evidence we have is that he was very competitive with DJT. Considering Trump has never come close to winning 50% of any national election, how exactly does he destroy Bernie?

I've never personally cast a primary ballot for Bernie and although I like him, I don't know that he was ever amongst my top choices unless you count runner-up in 2016.

Dude, this is crazy out of touch. Those 'white working class men' stayed home in 2012 and let a black man get re-elected because their party nominated a Mormon. There was no way they were going to vote for the socialist Jew when they had their White Christian nationalist messiah in Trump.

White working class men in America, very generally speaking, are populist and conservative. They don't want socialism because that would mean all the people they don't like would get free healthcare too.

 

[sandorski]

No, he would not have. Bernie would have been fucking McGoverned by Trump in a landslide. It would have been a complete catastrophe for the Dems (and America overall IMO).
I do not know exactly why Berniebros keep clinging to this idiotic notion that Bernie would have defeated Trump when he couldn't even come close to beating Hillary, but I assume it's to assuage their guilt for their involvement in helping get Trump elected.

What would Trump have done? Call him names?

 

[sandorski]

Dude, this is crazy out of touch. Those 'white working class men' stayed home in 2012 and let a black man get re-elected because their party nominated a Mormon. There was no way they were going to vote for the socialist Jew when they had their White Christian champion in Trump.

Bernie is widely respected and trusted.

 

[gothuevos]

Here's you in 2020 saying everything was different then right before Trump lost.

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Even 2020 feels like a lifetime ago. Biden capitalized on COVID and general Trump dislike.

At this point, Trump isn't going to lose any voters no matter what else he does, additional indictments, convictions, etc.

But there's plenty of time to get just enough people to continue to sour on Biden. Trump has already hit his floor, Biden, well....he can dig himself deeper.

There's just this general "malaise" among voters with regards to Biden. And a lot of it isn't deserved. But sometimes perception is reality and he should be considered the underdog at this point.

See all you fellow vermin in the camps!