The Cesspool of Humanity

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I kind of think it is, to the extent that we're not even into the heart of hurricane season. It seems to me we'd be well-served to deep-six Brown and Chertoff now, and replace them with people with actual qualifications.

So by your asinine perception, FEMA is 100% responsible here?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

So by your asinine perception, FEMA is 100% responsible here?

When did I say that? What causes you to say my perception is asinine? I find it telling that your own partisan fervor is so great that you could read a benign comment like mine and presume a) that I am saying FEMA is 100% responsible (which I most certainly am not); and b) that my perceptions are asinine because you assume they don't coincide with your own.

The Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana certainly did not handle this situation optimally, but they are elected officials. The President has no authority to remove them from their jobs, and, on the bright side, Governor Bianco has hired the estimably qualified James Lee Witt to help with disaster recovery, so they're in good hands.

Chertoff and Brown are appointees who have demonstrated a complete disconnection from their own responsibilities - these guys just aren't up to the job. I'd suggest replacing them with people who are, to help protect the public in case of another hurricane and/or terrorist attack against the US. How many strikes do you think they deserve?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Pabster

So by your asinine perception, FEMA is 100% responsible here?

When did I say that? What causes you to say my perception is asinine? I find it telling that your own partisan fervor is so great that you could read a benign comment like mine and presume a) that I am saying FEMA is 100% responsible (which I most certainly am not); and b) that my perceptions are asinine because you assume they don't coincide with your own.

The Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana certainly did not handle this situation optimally, but they are elected officials. Chertoff and Brown are appointees who have demonstrated a complete disconnection from their own responsibilities - these guys just aren't up to the job. I'd suggest replacing them with people who are, to help protect the public in case of another hurricane and/or terrorist attack against the US. How many strikes do you think they deserve?

For half what Chertoff and Brown are paid, I could have done - at a minimum ten times the job that they did. They have shown that they in fact did nothing.
Their statement on Saturday evening and Sunday before the strike ,where they said everything was in place around the area in a circle for response
have proven to be wrong, it was not there . . it was lip service, with them betting that nothing big was going to happen, and everyone would go back to normal living.
And they'd waltz back into Washington for a Medal of Freedom.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The facts are FEMA mucked it up. Bush could have turned his approval ratings around, but he mucked it up. Live with it, because that's the way it is.

...Only in someone's diluted, warped little mind.

Mine is most definitley warped, but it is you who have the diluted, little mind.

 

[conjur]

Add the former First Lady, Barbara Bush, to the cesspool, too.

Barbara Bush: Things Working Out "Very Well" for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp..._display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I?ve talked to says we're going to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I?m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: conjur
Add the former First Lady, Barbara Bush, to the cesspool, too.

Barbara Bush: Things Working Out "Very Well" for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp..._display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I?ve talked to says we're going to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I?m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

Now you know where her idiot son gets it from.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: conjur
Add the former First Lady, Barbara Bush, to the cesspool, too.

Barbara Bush: Things Working Out "Very Well" for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp..._display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I?ve talked to says we're going to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I?m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

Now you know where her idiot son gets it from.

ROFLMAO

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: conjur
Add the former First Lady, Barbara Bush, to the cesspool, too.

Barbara Bush: Things Working Out "Very Well" for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp..._display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I?ve talked to says we're going to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I?m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

Now you know where her idiot son gets it from.

ROFLMAO

LOL I laughed at that one too :laugh:

 

[cwjerome]

OMG, I just spent way too much time finally reading this thread, but it's sort of a microcosm of P&N... in a demented Jerry Springer sort of way.

I'm glad I haven't even read the "Bush's response is not adequate" topic. I'm usually pretty good at avoiding doomed-to-fail discussions like that. Wait, what am I doing in here??

 

[imported_Condor]

Proud not to be on THAT list!!

 

[Harriet Tubgirl]

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[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Condor
Proud not to be on THAT list!!

Be carefull what you are proud of . . . .

It could be just a click away
(you almost went on it, by the way, but I didn't want to include you with BBond knowing how it would have devastated you)

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Condor
Proud not to be on THAT list!!

Couldn't care if I was on the list or not. It gives me no pride to be lumped with one group or another here at P&N as I think that many like you need to get a fscking clue and realize that this is just an irreverent Internet Forum.

I do agree with you that some on that list are a joke. Here's something that you don't seem to realize, you are as much of a joke as they are.

This Catastrophe has shown what a joke this forum is. For every reasonable post made by either side there are dozens or ridiculous post to counter them. I'm looking through the threads regarding this situation looking to participate in an intelligent conversation and I am having a hard time finding one that has any sign of intelligence in it at all.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I'm looking through the threads regarding this situation looking to participate in an intelligent conversation and I am having a hard time finding one that has any sign of intelligence in it at all.

There is no intelligent life on the planet . . .

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: conjur
Add the former First Lady, Barbara Bush, to the cesspool, too.

Barbara Bush: Things Working Out "Very Well" for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp..._display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I?ve talked to says we're going to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I?m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

Now you know where her idiot son gets it from.

Apparently, it was really worse that that:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_atrios_archive.html#112597122217543452

What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overhwlemed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle)--this is working very well for them.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Condor
Proud not to be on THAT list!!

Be carefull what you are proud of . . . .

It could be just a click away
(you almost went on it, by the way, but I didn't want to include you with BBond knowing how it would have devastated you)

Please, I have some respect for you, but would not want that. I've been bashing the local managers full tilt since I figured out what they had done and consider it important to do so. No need to bash FEMA as that is being done from both sides. I do give them credit (and did work alongside them for a couple of years) for doing anything under the bureaucratic bondage that any federal agency suffers. I knew when Clinton promised to reform the federal government, that he didn't realize the scope of the problem. I give him credit for trying, but you would have to fire almost everyone in the federal government and start anew to do so. Then, that more perfect union would only last a few years. The real losers from State went to work for FEMA. I know them well and were glad they left State.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Condor
Proud not to be on THAT list!!

Couldn't care if I was on the list or not. It gives me no pride to be lumped with one group or another here at P&N as I think that many like you need to get a fscking clue and realize that this is just an irreverent Internet Forum.

I do agree with you that some on that list are a joke. Here's something that you don't seem to realize, you are as much of a joke as they are.

This Catastrophe has shown what a joke this forum is. For every reasonable post made by either side there are dozens or ridiculous post to counter them. I'm looking through the threads regarding this situation looking to participate in an intelligent conversation and I am having a hard time finding one that has any sign of intelligence in it at all.

Go talk to Yallus. He is the only one here with an intellect! I have a fucxing clue and your impression that I haven;'t simply enforces your clueless state.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Condor
Go talk to Yallus. He is the only one here with an intellect! I have a fucxing clue and your impression that I haven;'t simply enforces your clueless state.

Well maybe I'm not to good at reading between the lines and take what you post at face value.

BTW, I've always known that Sully was a smart guy even though I don't always agree with him.

 

[Moonbeam]

With all the flooding I didn't want to say anything too deep.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
With all the flooding I didn't want to say anything too deep.

Well.............

 

[conjur]

Here's another swimmer entering the cesspool:

Jack Burkman in Damage Control: Wanker
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/06.html#a4820

On Connected today, Jack defended the president with this logic. You have to listen to him to hear the shear "deadness in his heart" which is at the core of all apologists in a tragedy of this magnitude.

Jack: "I understand there are 10,000 people dead. It's terrible. It's tragic. But in a democracy of 300 million people, over years and years and years, these things happen."

Video-WMP

 

[conjur]

Republican leaders hold fundraiser this weekend; Hastert did, too
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Republica...ndraiser_this_weekend_Haster_0907.html

While some politicians have canceled fundraisers for their own campaigns in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Washington's Roll Call newspaper has found that many continue in full force.

The Republicans' House and Senate campaign committees suspended all telemarketing last week in the wake of the hurricane, though they got back on the phones this week, according to Roll Call.
#

There was little evidence this week that hurricane relief efforts had put a damper on Members? fundraising. [National Republican Congressional Committee Chair] Tom Reynolds (R-NY), for example, is moving ahead with a fundraiser at this weekend?s Elton John concert at the MCI Center.

On Tuesday, an NRCC staffer sent out an e-mail alerting prospective donors that only four tickets remained for the concert, an event that is benefiting Reynolds? political action committee. Anyone who buys a ticket to the concert will receive a complimentary ticket to a Sept. 21 reception honoring the Senate?s freshmen class.

House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.) also have fundraisers planned at the concert.

Matt Mackowiak of Keelen Communications, an Alexandria-based GOP fundraising firm, said that none of the firm?s clients decided to cancel upcoming events in the wake of Katrina after some initial hesitation.

?We sort of saw that the Speaker did an event and he continued with his fundraising,? Mackowiak said, referring to a fundraising event House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) held in Indiana Friday morning.
#

Some have canceled their events. Among them are Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI). Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) canceled the official launch of his reelection bid.

The Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee have continued to raise political questions about the lack of preparation and subsequent comments about the attacks, though Roll Call made no mention of Democratic fundraising.

Beautiful. But, not surprised. Hastert is turning into one of the biggest Senatorial asshats in this nation.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Beautiful. But, not surprised. Hastert is turning into one of the biggest Senatorial asshats in this nation.


Actually 'Speaker of the House', not the Senate, but from the Superior 'Fire State' of Illinois, as opposed to the Lowly 'Water State' of Lousiana.

 

[conjur]

Ah, yes. Brain fart as I was on the phone at the time.

 

[conjur]

And another entrant dives into the cesspool:

Congressman: Hurricane 'finally cleaned out public housing in New Orleans'
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Congressm...ned_out__public_housing_in_N_0909.html

Sen. Landrieu, in spotlight now, could find margins squeezed if thousands of Democratic-leaning African-Americans don't return by her 2008 re-election. Louisiana political analyst John Maginnis says state could even lose one of seven House seats in next redistricting.

Two shaky House incumbents, Democrat Melancon and Republican Boustany, hope response to hurricane rallies voters behind them. House Republican campaign chief Reynolds touts chance to market conservative social-policy solutions; Rep. Baker of Baton Rouge is overheard telling lobbyists: "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did."

Baker explains later he didn't intend flippancy but has long wanted to improve low-income housing.

Sure, Baker. Sure.