What do you want? A bj?Originally posted by: Train
I dont mean to brag, Ive been doing charity work for years, but I usually never mention it. I said it here in response to certain people who are trying to attack others for lack of compassion.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank you and don't brag. I am encouraging people involved in relief and telling them not to let it go to their heads. You are doing it for others not for praise or I should hope.Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
...BTW, anyone who does feel compassionate and wants to share tales of rescue or amazing stories or news updates, feel free to help me out in the sticky thread in OT...
eCompassion? No thanks, I was busy helping to set up barracks at a local Natl Guard base to receive refugees, then helping to load some semi's full of food. Some of the local troops the Army sent down to LA had JUST got back from Iraq, yet they volunteered to spend more time away from thier families.
What have you done? Oh, a thread on a website.
Notice he now has nothing to say, except post a cookie.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:roll:Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I like how you use the term "conscious decision to remain". Weighing the information presented to me here, that I am 17 feet below sea level, the vector forces on the levies will be X foot pounds of torque, the city will be under twelve feet of water, OK I think I'll stay.
A conscious decision to stay or to go are equally meaningless until the consequences are known. Conscious means informed. The people who stayed were not capable of a conscious decision any more than you are conscious when you judge them.
Always the little personal flames coming from you.
Are you claiming that none of the people who stayed knew a cat4/5 hurricane was bearing down on their city?
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You're another in a long line of liberals who refuse to assess personal responsbility as a factor of blame and play the "victim" and "compassion" cards. Thanks for reinforcing that viewpoint once again.
Wow you really are an asshole!Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
Well I guess we'll just have to wait to find out how many wanted to evacuate and actually couldn't vs. how many knew the risk and decided to stay.Originally posted by: Gaard
BTW TLC, you probably already know this, and it was probably just an oversite on your part (because I know you'd never try to misrepresent the issue), but 'many' does not equal 'most'. Just thought I'd point that out to ya.
Well thanks for straightening me out. If I make a bad decision in the future that puts myself in peril and a horrible situation, I'll contact you so you can fight for me as a victim. I just know you'll be there for me.Originally posted by: The Lord
Wow you really are an asshole!Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You dont have to live down there to help. in Michigan, the barracks will only be temporary, the Gov and the Mayors are trying to get these people into real homes, and get them jobs. The police departments are doing most of the coordination as far as collecting donated items for these people to help get them back on thier feet. Lots of people near me are putting up vacant real estate either free or very cheap to displaced people.Originally posted by: conjur
What do you want? A bj?Originally posted by: Train
I dont mean to brag, Ive been doing charity work for years, but I usually never mention it. I said it here in response to certain people who are trying to attack others for lack of compassion.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank you and don't brag. I am encouraging people involved in relief and telling them not to let it go to their heads. You are doing it for others not for praise or I should hope.Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
...BTW, anyone who does feel compassionate and wants to share tales of rescue or amazing stories or news updates, feel free to help me out in the sticky thread in OT...
eCompassion? No thanks, I was busy helping to set up barracks at a local Natl Guard base to receive refugees, then helping to load some semi's full of food. Some of the local troops the Army sent down to LA had JUST got back from Iraq, yet they volunteered to spend more time away from thier families.
What have you done? Oh, a thread on a website.
Notice he now has nothing to say, except post a cookie.
BTW, nice of you to feel you were being criticized. Feeling guilty for some reason? I named no names. There are people up here who don't care about the victims. One was permabanned, thankfully. There are plenty of others.
If I lived down there, you can bet your life I'd be helping out. But, I don't and traveling down there is not possible for me right now.
Yeah right. You ain't fooling nobody. You made a 'conscious decision' to not go down there.Originally posted by: conjur
If I lived down there, you can bet your life I'd be helping out. But, I don't and traveling down there is not possible for me right now.
And I am helping the only way I can...donating what little extra money I had. I'm on a paycheck-to-paycheck basis right now and in danger of actually losing my apt (having to break the lease) due to what's becoming overwhelming medical bills. Yet, I will still donate what I can, when I can. There are also food drives under way and I donate to those, too. If I had a house, I'd open it up to a displaced family. If I had vacant land, I'd set up tents. But, I don't have those luxuries.Originally posted by: Train
You dont have to live down there to help. in Michigan, the barracks will only be temporary, the Gov and the Mayors are trying to get these people into real homes, and get them jobs. The police departments are doing most of the coordination as far as collecting donated items for these people to help get them back on thier feet. Lots of people near me are putting up vacant real estate either free or very cheap to displaced people.Originally posted by: conjur
What do you want? A bj?
BTW, nice of you to feel you were being criticized. Feeling guilty for some reason? I named no names. There are people up here who don't care about the victims. One was permabanned, thankfully. There are plenty of others.
If I lived down there, you can bet your life I'd be helping out. But, I don't and traveling down there is not possible for me right now.
I'm just a victim. Woe is me. Where's my handout.Originally posted by: Gaard
Yeah right. You ain't fooling nobody. You made a 'conscious decision' to not go down there.Originally posted by: conjur
If I lived down there, you can bet your life I'd be helping out. But, I don't and traveling down there is not possible for me right now.![]()
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:roll:Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I like how you use the term "conscious decision to remain". Weighing the information presented to me here, that I am 17 feet below sea level, the vector forces on the levies will be X foot pounds of torque, the city will be under twelve feet of water, OK I think I'll stay.
A conscious decision to stay or to go are equally meaningless until the consequences are known. Conscious means informed. The people who stayed were not capable of a conscious decision any more than you are conscious when you judge them.
Always the little personal flames coming from you.
Are you claiming that none of the people who stayed knew a cat4/5 hurricane was bearing down on their city?
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You're another in a long line of liberals who refuse to assess personal responsibility as a factor of blame and play the "victim" and "compassion" cards. Thanks for reinforcing that viewpoint once again.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:roll:Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I like how you use the term "conscious decision to remain". Weighing the information presented to me here, that I am 17 feet below sea level, the vector forces on the levies will be X foot pounds of torque, the city will be under twelve feet of water, OK I think I'll stay.
A conscious decision to stay or to go are equally meaningless until the consequences are known. Conscious means informed. The people who stayed were not capable of a conscious decision any more than you are conscious when you judge them.
Always the little personal flames coming from you.
Are you claiming that none of the people who stayed knew a cat4/5 hurricane was bearing down on their city?
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You're another in a long line of liberals who refuse to assess personal responsibility as a factor of blame and play the "victim" and "compassion" cards. Thanks for reinforcing that viewpoint once again.
You are probably a pretty together person who who leads a pretty together life and who has probably been pretty together all of his life. And your pretty together life you doubtless attribute to your pretty together personal effort. So in your pretty together way you think everybody is and should be just like you. You have made a conscious decision to pat yourself on the back for an accident. You are what you are for no other reason than purely by chance. You are a complete and total nothing just as we all are. You are where you are by grace and are in fact a self congratulatory boob. In the right hands you could be broken and turned into mush and spend the rest of your life crawling up out of the muck. What you are is a profound egotist deficient in empathy. But what I know that you do not is that you can't help but be that way. You are in my mind as pitiable and unconscious as the people who stayed. You blame the lack of their personal responsibility of the fact that yours is built on your own self hate. You are what you are because if you hadn't been you'd have died physically too.
Because you hate the irresponsible you can never see that you are irresponsible and so you close the door on your only escape. Talk about conscious decisions. You are trapped on your own roof judging others.
There is no victim card. We are unconscious and there is nobody to blame, especially ourselves. You are the one who blames and plays the victim card and you are the victim.
And you are just as worthy of compassion as those in the water.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:roll:Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I like how you use the term "conscious decision to remain". Weighing the information presented to me here, that I am 17 feet below sea level, the vector forces on the levies will be X foot pounds of torque, the city will be under twelve feet of water, OK I think I'll stay.
A conscious decision to stay or to go are equally meaningless until the consequences are known. Conscious means informed. The people who stayed were not capable of a conscious decision any more than you are conscious when you judge them.
Always the little personal flames coming from you.
Are you claiming that none of the people who stayed knew a cat4/5 hurricane was bearing down on their city?
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You're another in a long line of liberals who refuse to assess personal responsibility as a factor of blame and play the "victim" and "compassion" cards. Thanks for reinforcing that viewpoint once again.
You are probably a pretty together person who who leads a pretty together life and who has probably been pretty together all of his life. And your pretty together life you doubtless attribute to your pretty together personal effort. So in your pretty together way you think everybody is and should be just like you. You have made a conscious decision to pat yourself on the back for an accident. You are what you are for no other reason than purely by chance. You are a complete and total nothing just as we all are. You are where you are by grace and are in fact a self congratulatory boob. In the right hands you could be broken and turned into mush and spend the rest of your life crawling up out of the muck. What you are is a profound egotist deficient in empathy. But what I know that you do not is that you can't help but be that way. You are in my mind as pitiable and unconscious as the people who stayed. You blame the lack of their personal responsibility of the fact that yours is built on your own self hate. You are what you are because if you hadn't been you'd have died physically too.
Because you hate the irresponsible you can never see that you are irresponsible and so you close the door on your only escape. Talk about conscious decisions. You are trapped on your own roof judging others.
There is no victim card. We are unconscious and there is nobody to blame, especially ourselves. You are the one who blames and plays the victim card and you are the victim.
And you are just as worthy of compassion as those in the water.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:roll:Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I like how you use the term "conscious decision to remain". Weighing the information presented to me here, that I am 17 feet below sea level, the vector forces on the levies will be X foot pounds of torque, the city will be under twelve feet of water, OK I think I'll stay.
A conscious decision to stay or to go are equally meaningless until the consequences are known. Conscious means informed. The people who stayed were not capable of a conscious decision any more than you are conscious when you judge them.
Always the little personal flames coming from you.
Are you claiming that none of the people who stayed knew a cat4/5 hurricane was bearing down on their city?
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You're another in a long line of liberals who refuse to assess personal responsibility as a factor of blame and play the "victim" and "compassion" cards. Thanks for reinforcing that viewpoint once again.
You are probably a pretty together person who who leads a pretty together life and who has probably been pretty together all of his life. And your pretty together life you doubtless attribute to your pretty together personal effort. So in your pretty together way you think everybody is and should be just like you. You have made a conscious decision to pat yourself on the back for an accident. You are what you are for no other reason than purely by chance. You are a complete and total nothing just as we all are. You are where you are by grace and are in fact a self congratulatory boob. In the right hands you could be broken and turned into mush and spend the rest of your life crawling up out of the muck. What you are is a profound egotist deficient in empathy. But what I know that you do not is that you can't help but be that way. You are in my mind as pitiable and unconscious as the people who stayed. You blame the lack of their personal responsibility of the fact that yours is built on your own self hate. You are what you are because if you hadn't been you'd have died physically too.
Because you hate the irresponsible you can never see that you are irresponsible and so you close the door on your only escape. Talk about conscious decisions. You are trapped on your own roof judging others.
There is no victim card. We are unconscious and there is nobody to blame, especially ourselves. You are the one who blames and plays the victim card and you are the victim.
And you are just as worthy of compassion as those in the water.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:roll:Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I like how you use the term "conscious decision to remain". Weighing the information presented to me here, that I am 17 feet below sea level, the vector forces on the levies will be X foot pounds of torque, the city will be under twelve feet of water, OK I think I'll stay.
A conscious decision to stay or to go are equally meaningless until the consequences are known. Conscious means informed. The people who stayed were not capable of a conscious decision any more than you are conscious when you judge them.
Always the little personal flames coming from you.
Are you claiming that none of the people who stayed knew a cat4/5 hurricane was bearing down on their city?
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You're another in a long line of liberals who refuse to assess personal responsibility as a factor of blame and play the "victim" and "compassion" cards. Thanks for reinforcing that viewpoint once again.
You are probably a pretty together person who who leads a pretty together life and who has probably been pretty together all of his life. And your pretty together life you doubtless attribute to your pretty together personal effort. So in your pretty together way you think everybody is and should be just like you. You have made a conscious decision to pat yourself on the back for an accident. You are what you are for no other reason than purely by chance. You are a complete and total nothing just as we all are. You are where you are by grace and are in fact a self congratulatory boob. In the right hands you could be broken and turned into mush and spend the rest of your life crawling up out of the muck. What you are is a profound egotist deficient in empathy. But what I know that you do not is that you can't help but be that way. You are in my mind as pitiable and unconscious as the people who stayed. You blame the lack of their personal responsibility of the fact that yours is built on your own self hate. You are what you are because if you hadn't been you'd have died physically too.
Because you hate the irresponsible you can never see that you are irresponsible and so you close the door on your only escape. Talk about conscious decisions. You are trapped on your own roof judging others.
There is no victim card. We are unconscious and there is nobody to blame, especially ourselves. You are the one who blames and plays the victim card and you are the victim.
And you are just as worthy of compassion as those in the water.
What I am or am not has little relevance to my remarks.
I'm just tired of those who seem to think that wringing your hands over a situation supercedes all rational thought and assessment, and you and a few others in here seem to be part and parcel of that very problem, except when handwringing doesn't support your political ideologies.
Some people are tired of your personal attacks disguised as smarmy commentary too that more often than not is directed at someone personally instead of addressing the actual topic.Originally posted by: arsbanned
Some people are just tired of your dogged persistence to listen to yourself talk.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Can one criticize Bush without coming across as 'handwringing'? Is it the timing or the criticism itself?
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Some people are tired of your personal attacks disguised as smarmy commentary too that more often than not is directed at someone personally instead of addressing the actual topic.Originally posted by: arsbanned
Some people are just tired of your dogged persistence to listen to yourself talk.
Unfortunately, that doesn't stop you from doing it.
Now excuse me while the crass, callous, uncaring bastidge that is TLC goes to work his shift collecting donations for the victims of Katrina.
I imagine while I'm doing that you can find someone else in here to look down your long nose at, Dan.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:roll:Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I like how you use the term "conscious decision to remain". Weighing the information presented to me here, that I am 17 feet below sea level, the vector forces on the levies will be X foot pounds of torque, the city will be under twelve feet of water, OK I think I'll stay.
A conscious decision to stay or to go are equally meaningless until the consequences are known. Conscious means informed. The people who stayed were not capable of a conscious decision any more than you are conscious when you judge them.
Always the little personal flames coming from you.
Are you claiming that none of the people who stayed knew a cat4/5 hurricane was bearing down on their city?
Being "informed" is being aware of the potential risks of a decision, not knowing the actual outcome. Let's see. A city beloew sea level and protected by an ancient system of dikes and levees while a massive hurricane is headed towards it. Oh, wait. I know. I'll stay and if my decision results
in something bad, I'll just play the woe is me, poor victim card and blame it on someone else.
You're another in a long line of liberals who refuse to assess personal responsibility as a factor of blame and play the "victim" and "compassion" cards. Thanks for reinforcing that viewpoint once again.
You are probably a pretty together person who who leads a pretty together life and who has probably been pretty together all of his life. And your pretty together life you doubtless attribute to your pretty together personal effort. So in your pretty together way you think everybody is and should be just like you. You have made a conscious decision to pat yourself on the back for an accident. You are what you are for no other reason than purely by chance. You are a complete and total nothing just as we all are. You are where you are by grace and are in fact a self congratulatory boob. In the right hands you could be broken and turned into mush and spend the rest of your life crawling up out of the muck. What you are is a profound egotist deficient in empathy. But what I know that you do not is that you can't help but be that way. You are in my mind as pitiable and unconscious as the people who stayed. You blame the lack of their personal responsibility of the fact that yours is built on your own self hate. You are what you are because if you hadn't been you'd have died physically too.
Because you hate the irresponsible you can never see that you are irresponsible and so you close the door on your only escape. Talk about conscious decisions. You are trapped on your own roof judging others.
There is no victim card. We are unconscious and there is nobody to blame, especially ourselves. You are the one who blames and plays the victim card and you are the victim.
And you are just as worthy of compassion as those in the water.
What I am or am not has little relevance to my remarks.
I'm just tired of those who seem to think that wringing your hands over a situation supercedes all rational thought and assessment, and you and a few others in here seem to be part and parcel of that very problem, except when handwringing doesn't support your political ideologies.
Originally posted by: BBond
I'm one of the crazies. One of the crazies who told you the Bush tax cuts were reckless. One of the crazies who told you there was no reason to attack Iraq. One of the crazies who told you there was no WMD. One of the crazies who told you America wasn't going to be greeted with kisses and flowers. One of the crazies who told you Bush was taking America into a quagmire like Vietnam. One of the crazies who told you Rove was behind the most unbelievable intentional piece of espionage in U.S. history. One of the crazies who told you Bush was using 9/11 to destroy the Bill of Rights. One of the crazies who is telling you that the disgrace in New Orleans is just another iteration of Bush's core beliefs.
The list goes on and on and on yet some people keep defending the indefensible and calling anyone who disagrees with them crazy. Telling the truth about Bush makes you a Bush-basher. A crazy. Thus the Bushies radicalize and marginalize anyone who disagrees with them. But consider the world we now have after five years of George W. Bush and the people who are so morally bankrupt that they support and enable him.
Who's crazy?
I didn't collect a thing, as it was not for my personal benefit. Though one guy did try to donate a cat. His reason for donating the cat was sound and emotionally appealing. He claimed many people had lost animals in NOLA to the storm and that the cat would provide comfort to one of them. The only problem was that it was not very practical there were greater needs at the moment.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No no no, you are not allowed to get tired. The more conscious always have to suffer, they always have to shoulder the larger load, eat the bigger pile of sh!t and suffer the slings and arrows or other people's madness. You have to remain a pretty together adult and slug on. You can't allow the unconsciousness of others to suck you down so that you respond in kind. No wringing your hands over hand-wringing. It will cloud your reason and capacity for assessment.Good luck at work and hope you collect a bundle.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I didn't collect a thing, as it was not for my personal benefit. Though one guy did try to donate a cat. His reason for donating the cat was sound and emotionally appealing. He claimed many people had lost animals in NOLA to the storm and that the cat would provide comfort to one of them. The only problem was that it was not very practical there were greater needs at the moment.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No no no, you are not allowed to get tired. The more conscious always have to suffer, they always have to shoulder the larger load, eat the bigger pile of sh!t and suffer the slings and arrows or other people's madness. You have to remain a pretty together adult and slug on. You can't allow the unconsciousness of others to suck you down so that you respond in kind. No wringing your hands over hand-wringing. It will cloud your reason and capacity for assessment.Good luck at work and hope you collect a bundle.
But it struck me how very liberal his intent was.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You would not be crazy because people disagree with you. A person could be crazy because he or she is an extremist.Originally posted by: BBond
Who's crazy?
What you fail to realize yet again is that some people can agree with some of your positions and disagree with some of your positions, but that doesn't mean that they're automatically a 'Bushie' or whatever. Your extremism is getting out of hand again and is corrupting your mind.
