The Cesspool of Humanity

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Czar
interesting, the post has basicly drawn the line, pulled those out whom the post was meant for

And who are those people?

Do you mean the people who didn't sieze on this tragedy as opportunism to bash Bush relentlessly while ignoring all the others culpable? Or was it the people who didn't feel the need to use this disaster to look down their noses at others and characterize anyone who doesn't subscribe to their narrow-minded ideology as having no compassion or being racist? Or was it those using this tragedy to make snotty remarks about Iraq?

If that's what you meant, you are correct.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: charrison
I will once again give Don Vito a :thumbsup: for staying above the fray.

Indeed, DonVito has handled himself well during this disaster. His nick was one of the few nicks that really stood out when I read that list.

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
However, while I certainly dislike Bush (and most politicians), I'm not so vehemently against him, blaming this whole disaster upon him and such.

Yeah, as much as I dislike Bush myself, I really feel certain members here have this habit of blaming him for anything and everything.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Anyways, people like tasteslikechicken and yllus should be on the list, too.

Yea because TLC's response was blame the victim and that the Feds did a great job.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Anyways, people like tasteslikechicken and yllus should be on the list, too.

Yea because TLC's response was blame the victim and that the Feds did a great job.

Kindly show me where I claimed the Feds did a great job.

Blame the victim? Because I pointed out that many people chose to stay and ignored the evacuation warnings, plainly knowing the potential peril they were putting themselves in? Because I pointed out that public transportation was, or should have been available to those with no transportation? Because I pointed out that Nagin didn't follow the Disaster Preparedness Plan for NO and it ended up costing people their lives, yet certain members are making profuse apologies for him and still trying to shift all blame to Bush?

I'm incredulous at certain people in this forum and how they absolutely refuse to accept some truth, simply so they can continue on their merry partisan way. It's more than sad, just like this shoddy pretense of a congratulatory thread.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

before you all are so quick to defend the people that stayed behind, there are many who THOUGHT they could ride out the storm. they didn't heed the warnings, and stayed when they should have left.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
before you all are so quick to defend the people that stayed behind, there are many who THOUGHT they could ride out the storm. they didn't heed the warnings, and stayed when they should have left.

thats true, but its more to how people say it I think

 

[conjur]

I remember well the way the country became one right after 9/11. We were attacked by an unknown assailant and ~3,000 people were killed in an instant. An American icon (the WTC) and the heart of our military command center (the Pentagon) were attacked, as well.

We weren't Republican/Democrat, liberal/conservative, black/white, rich/poor. We were all Americans. I had respect for Bush when he got on TV and choked back tears to address the nation.


Fast forwarding to this week and our country has again suffered a brutal attack. This time the assailant wasn't some force we could retaliate against. Rather, it was Mother Nature and part of the tragedy is due to man's long-held belief that he can conquer the earth and build whatever, whereever, with the right technology. Mother Nature proved she can outdo some of our best engineering.

There certainly is blame to go around for the levee break and it goes back beyond this administration. That's not the important point, though.

What matters now is that people, human beings, fellow Americans, both young and old and both rich and poor were and still are in need of food and water simply to survive another day.

I, too, am disgusted to see some of the utterly callous posts up here, dismissing human life like a rotted apple.

I would hope that everyone who has posted this despicable crap would be embarrassed to admit they did so in front of their parents and even their grandparents or even their minister or their kids. Maybe some were raised with little or no morals or little or no parental involvement. All I know is that hatred is a learned trait. Somewhere along the line these people made the conscious decision that to belittle those less fortunate than themselves makes them feel better about their own miserable, impotent lives.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
before you all are so quick to defend the people that stayed behind, there are many who THOUGHT they could ride out the storm. they didn't heed the warnings, and stayed when they should have left.

Yeah you are absolutelly right. It is there fault anyway, let them just die over there. /sarcasm

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
before you all are so quick to defend the people that stayed behind, there are many who THOUGHT they could ride out the storm. they didn't heed the warnings, and stayed when they should have left.

Yeah you are absolutelly right. It is there fault anyway, let them just die over there. /sarcasm

all i'm trying to say is there is plenty of blame to go around. this situation is not one-sided like everyone seems to make it out to be. it's a combination of stupidity from all sides that has led to this disaster.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I'll write it off to ignorance, stupidity, arrogance, or 'D' - all of the above.

Starting with you.

Instead many have stepped forward to scream with the loudest voices and disrespect those who have suffered and are continuing to suffer
are those (You will know them for their putrid mentality) who are acting as "who cares, it didn't affect me, I'm too important",
those who have the Klan Mentality of "serves them right, they are only minorities - the scum of the earth who are not worthy of living",
and those who react as if this is some genocidal gene pool chlorination that will give them the satisfaction that their perceived
burdon on society, will no longer be there to take away their 'so hard earned tax dollars' that they think should go for their own personal greed.

Sadly these peons you speak of are, for the most part, listed in your grand "list"...

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer didn't', 'Mayor wasn't', 'Bush didn't know' themes,
and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

Of which your list has the hypocrites lined right up.

Dave McOwen - whom so many like to ridicule and call a 'Looney Liberal' - actually did take part, and as far as I know continues to
help in the rescure as best he can. Conjur, who so many attack on a post by post basis, tried to communicate the message to those who frequent
this forum to keep people appraised of the situation, and direct them to where they could help - if they felt so inclined - or to donate if they could do so.

Can you say circle jerk?

A handfull of individuals have chosen to do nothing except launch attack after attack on them, and to make false statements just to show
the depth of their arrogance and distain for anyone wh is willing to help those in need.
You're no better than the looters and shooters that caused even more problems for the rescue effort - you're no help at all.

And you are a HUGE help. Posting worthless blather to an internet message board? Get a friggin' life buddy.

I. for one. have been plesantly suprised as to how some who were staunch GOP supporters in the past opened their eyes and questioned what they saw.

That shows your true colors. So much for "non-partisan", eh ?

I'm going to post very little over the next few days, I don't want to waste my time conversing with the Klan Mentality that came out here.
My Army Seargent Son is visiting with his wife before he returns for another year
in Iraq to do his job for this country.
Even he is dismayed with the lack of urgency from the Federal Level, and he understands the scope of what happened,
and knows that he may be deployed into New Orleans when he returns to Fort Hood on Monday night, to join those from his base that have already gone there.

Go spend some time with your Son and get the hell off the Internet.

For those core few who call everyone who dosen't agree with then, and wish death on those who are so desparate - shame on you.
God is going to make sure that there's a special place in Hell you can call your very own.

WHO is wishing death on the desperate? Has Dave gotten to you?

[...list of circle jerkers removed for brevity...]

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Anyways, people like tasteslikechicken and yllus should be on the list, too.

Yea because TLC's response was blame the victim and that the Feds did a great job.

You mean blame the "ingrat".

 

[slyedog]

and you captnkirk are full of sh&t and we dont need your kind to be telling us down here what we know is true or not. your main purpose on this forum is to bash Bush. maybe he needs to be bashed. but how do you know it is his fault at this early date. now is the time to help these poor people not look for someone to put the blame on. there will be time for that soon enough.

 

[Vic]

Wow, that is quite possibly THE most hypocritical post I have ever read. Literally amazing. The quality of doublethink required in order to compose it rates sufficiently above skill as to be a high art. Me hat's off!

 

[Proletariat]

Meh I see his post is biased.

But that doesn't change the fact that this disaster brought out the true nature of many individuals here. I don't think anyone in their right mind can deny that.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: charrison

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer didn't', 'Mayor wasn't', 'Bush didn't know' themes,
and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

So basically you give a thumbs up to anyone who thinks that Bush is solely responsable for this disaster and thumbs down to anyone who says state and local have their fair share of blame.

I will once again give Don Vito a :thumbsup: for staying above the fray.

Waiting for a response from kirk, but somehow i know all I will get is the sound of crickets.

Show that you can be above the fray and be critical of all levels of goverment that have failed.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: charrison

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer didn't', 'Mayor wasn't', 'Bush didn't know' themes,
and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

So basically you give a thumbs up to anyone who thinks that Bush is solely responsable for this disaster and thumbs down to anyone who says state and local have their fair share of blame.

I will once again give Don Vito a :thumbsup: for staying above the fray.

Waiting for a response from kirk, but somehow i know all I will get is the sound of crickets.

Show that you can be above the fray and be critical of all levels of goverment that have failed.

So when lines of communication, roads and infrastructure have crumbled you still place blame on local officials who for days were trying to get more help?

Look either you don't care or you are just putting up a BS front. Which one is it?

 

[1EZduzit]

Maybe the locals didn't handle it the best?? I don't know, because I'm not there. I do have to wonder what they could do though. I keep hearing about buses, but how many people would have to be bused out? All the ones who were left. I'd guess a minimum of 100,000 and maybe 300,000.

Where do they bus them to make sure they are safe from the storm?? If the locals were able to find a spot for them, how long would they have to be there? 2 weeks, 3 weeks?

So they need to transport 200,000 people, a safe hurricane proof shelter for them to ridse the storm out and then provide food and water for 3 weeks for them. Gee, call me partisan if you like, but that seems to be a bit much to expect from the locals.

If the Fed's would have just gotten their fat asses in gear right after the storm cleared and sent in troops, air dropped water and food and started evacuating hospitals and sick people to the best of their abitlity, I just don't think anybody would be "bashing Bush".

Bush is large and in charge and he likes it that way. Now let him take responsibility for his actions or lack thereof.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: charrison

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer didn't', 'Mayor wasn't', 'Bush didn't know' themes,
and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

So basically you give a thumbs up to anyone who thinks that Bush is solely responsable for this disaster and thumbs down to anyone who says state and local have their fair share of blame.

I will once again give Don Vito a :thumbsup: for staying above the fray.

Waiting for a response from kirk, but somehow i know all I will get is the sound of crickets.

Show that you can be above the fray and be critical of all levels of goverment that have failed.

So when lines of communication, roads and infrastructure have crumbled you still place blame on local officials who for days were trying to get more help?

Look either you don't care or you are just putting up a BS front. Which one is it?

No I beleive that the state and local goverments have also failed as well. I beleive that there was much more that the state and local could have done while the fed was gearing up.

But I guess this is unreasonable as I am not blaming Bush for everything that went wrong.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: charrison

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer didn't', 'Mayor wasn't', 'Bush didn't know' themes,
and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

So basically you give a thumbs up to anyone who thinks that Bush is solely responsable for this disaster and thumbs down to anyone who says state and local have their fair share of blame.

I will once again give Don Vito a :thumbsup: for staying above the fray.

Waiting for a response from kirk, but somehow i know all I will get is the sound of crickets.

Show that you can be above the fray and be critical of all levels of goverment that have failed.

Pity, you used to be reasoned. As one of the people on the Captain's list, I challenge you to show how I think "Bush is solely responsable for this disaster" and have denied that "state and local have their fair share of blame". This will be amusing since I've explicitly said there was poor performance on all levels. The things that have so many of us angry are the usual Bush fluffers refusing to acknowledge BushCo did anything wrong, and, as the good Captain points out, the callous, often hateful blame-the-victim mentality of many of those same people.

Kudos to CaptnKirk. And please extend my best wishes and respect to your son as well.

 

[rustynails]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
On this Forum.


Special thanks to:
dmcowen674
Conjur
Don Vito
Engineer
1EZduzit
Tab
Darkhawk28
Pliablemoose
raildogg
Bowfinger
BBond
arsbanned
BaliBabyDoc
Zebo
judasmachine
RabidMongoose
Moonbeam
umbrella39
rahvin
Czar
DealMonkey
Hayabusa Rider
Red Dawn

Hardy Har-Har. You just listed all the donkey lovers and the 2008 election antics haven?t even reared its ugly head yet.

BTW, it?s funny how dmcowen674 list of charitable organizations consist primarily of right-winged Christian churches.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: rustynails

Hardy Har-Har. You just listed all the donkey lovers and the 2008 election antics haven?t even reared its ugly head yet.

No, but you have. Did you have a point or you just trolling again.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Meh I see his post is biased.

But that doesn't change the fact that this disaster brought out the true nature of many individuals here. I don't think anyone in their right mind can deny that.

Oh, no question of that.

 

[Bowfinger]

I posted this in the "Bush response inadequate" thread, but it seems especially relevent to the OP:

On a side note, while I thought I was inured to the callous, shameless, and often hateful rhetoric of the Bush apologists here, I find again and again I am truly appalled at some of their commentary in this and other threads. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised -- it's the same putrid BS they use to dismiss the tens of thousands of innocents who've died in Iraq (right down to the "It's their own fault they didn't leave Falluj ... err ... New Orleans.") -- but it's so much more personal this time. It makes me hope there is a God, just so these inhuman a'holes will someday be held accountable.

I also find it amusing (in a disgusting sort of way) that these same people who love to proclaim their support and confidence in the U.S. military are so quick to abandon them when it means criticizing BushCo. They are faced with a conundrum. Do they acknowledge the poor performance of their Commander in Chief, or do they claim the military is incapable? Their choice is hardly a surprise. They've proven over and over there is no depth they won't plumb to divert anything even vaguely critical of the Bush administration. Fortunately, I have far more faith in and respect for our armed forces. Their slow response is NOT a lack of ability. It is a lack of leadership, a tragic, fatal lack of leadership.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: charrison

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer

and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

So basically you give a thumbs up to anyone who thinks that Bush is solely responsable for this disaster and thumbs down to anyone who says state and local have their fair share of blame.

I will once again give Don Vito a :thumbsup: for staying above the fray.

Waiting for a response from kirk, but somehow i know all I will get is the sound of crickets.

Show that you can be above the fray and be critical of all levels of goverment that have failed.

Pity, you used to be reasoned. As one of the people on the Captain's list, I challenge you to show how I think "Bush is solely responsable for this disaster" and have denied that "state and local have their fair share of blame". This will be amusing since I've explicitly said there was poor performance on all levels. The things that have so many of us angry are the usual Bush fluffers refusing to acknowledge BushCo did anything wrong, and, as the good Captain points out, the callous, often hateful blame-the-victim mentality of many of those same people.

Kudos to CaptnKirk. And please extend my best wishes and respect to your son as well.

I was not challedging his list, only his statement that I quoted. There are members of his list that I do not think should be there, but I dont think it would be the right thing to do. However what I quoted is quite clear.

I pass the challedge back to you and and ask you where I have given a pass to the feds.

I expect to being lots of crickets tonight.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I got your 'sound of Crickets', RIGHT HERE

You get it ? Do you have a conscience ?

Hey - this post isn't about BushBashing over the War in Iraq, nor is it about fixing the blame on Local, State, of Feds -
it's about being compassonate and supportive of American Citizens who are desparate and in need.

BBond being on the list is the biggest hit you can make as a disqualifier ?
It's so easy for some to ridicule Dave, but Dave helped a rescue team get into the area, who else here did that ? I didn't - wasn't close enough.

I don't care what anyone has posted on Iraq - this is Support for those victims in the entire Gulf Coast all the way accross and into Alabama,
and North several hunderd miles inland as well.
The devastated area is bigger than all the geographical area of some entire states, and some countries.
The focus has been so much on New Orleans, because there are so many in such a small strike zone of an even bigger strike area.

If you're on the list, it's only because I saw support for the victims, not because they were 'Bashing Bush'.

If you feel slighted because of your omission - I didn't go on a search to evaluate each persons input on a merit basis,
it was just a quick recall off the top, their support was for victims, and not driven as a revenge against incompetent Polititians.

Plenty of blame for all, plenty of time to point fingers and fix the blame later . . right now Americans are still dying because time is running out.

Someone was callous enough to make the comment 'People don't just die in 4 days because of no food' -
I got news for them, babies do . . and people without critical medical care do.

PS - If you think you don't deserve to be on the Captn's Call, I'll be glad to delete the reference. Think you belong, but not included ? We'll see.