The Case for Invading Pakistan: A Grave and Gathering Threat

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I also want to point out that if we invaded Pakistan we would probably have no problem gaining the help of the Indians. Between us and the Indians we could easily crush them with the Indians taking most of the casualties.

Pakistan already has a seat at the nuclear table, we aren't going to screw with them, no matter what they're about. Besides, "hot preemption" is dead. No more "We can attack anyone because...... because.... well, because WE'RE the USA!"

that is right, we are going to wait until a nuclear device detonates in new york, or chicago, or washington. just to make the liberals happy. only after a few milion instant deaths will any policy other than appeasment and a years of economic sanctions that only starve the masses be considered.

Some of you guys depend WAY to much on sarcasm.

Just having a nuclear weapon doesn't mean it's going to be touched off. As deterent's they work GREAT. That's why we don't screw around with Russia or China, no matter what they do. As anything other than a last ditch weapon they suck. Why does minding are own bussness equate to "appeasement" for you? It seems like it's easier to rattle off doomsday scenarios than it is to just accept the fact that countries, meaning governments AND people, don't like to be told what's best for them, at the point of a cruise missle. Why not try something that hasn't been tried before, leave other countries the fock alone.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
i've been to the region. my family is originally from Pakistan, close to NWFP. I know Pathans (Pashtoons). I know Pakistanis. I know what goes on in that part of the world, and I know exactly what can be controlled and what cannot. Granted, borders are difficult to seal, when you are talking about foot traffic, but the Taliban used to roll around in their toyotas freely between both countries... Pakistan has thermal sensing equipment, they could have easily detected that and denied access to them/blown them to shreds had they CHOSE to. In places like Quetta, PK today, there is a HUGE black market arms racket. People openly make cheap knockoff automatic weapons. The gun of choice is the Kalishnokov. These weapons supply the militants fighting in Afghanistan, Kashmir, and probably even as far as Chechnya. Had the PK government wished to crack down on these things, they could have. Militants caught in Kashmir have openly stated that they were funded/supported/brainwashed by the ISI. They are responsible for killing thousands of innocent people there. Of course, the U.S. doesn't give a rats ass though because Americans aren't dyeing. Fair enough. But why SUPPORT a country that does such things? Not only that, as each day progresses, we will realize more and more what kind of allies Pakistan is. As each day progresses, we are realizing more about Musharrafs knowledge and involvement in transferring nuclear weapon tech to N. Korea. Talk to a Pakistani, nothing happens in PK army without Musharrafs knowledge. He is a capable leader and is aware of everything. If he can't seal the borders 100%, he certainly can do so 80-90%. He has at least that much capability, but again, why lose his golden egg

Sher - you bring up some very valid reasons why we should not support PK. I've had my doubts all along. I really think it came down to a couple of factors: (1.) We needed overflight capability to attack Afghanistan in 2001. PK was geographically desirable, (2.) We needed the ISI to stop supporting the Taliban and moreover we needed PK to see things our way in order to isolate Afghanistan. So we effectively bought PK support. I can't recall specifically how much we paid PK, but it was a lot of cash. I don't think there were any long-term thoughts about the U.S.-PK relationship other than perhaps we felt the more we could get the PK leadership on our side, the better as far as the region is concerned. PK still has a LOT of problems, at least in my mind. Frankly, I don't know if things are improving or not. You seem to suggest they're not.

oh, from that point of view, i totally appreciate that we allied with them. But now, a few years later, they are giving us NOTHING. Their half hearted attempts of cooperating to find OBL are worthless, and they know it. What now? I say we say F*CK it and HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO ALLOW us to look for that worthless POS. I just cannot stand the fact that we are at war with another nation, that too on shaky grounds, when we are almost positive OBL was somehow responsible for 9/11 and that bastard is still free. it goes against my system of logic. finish one task, move to the other. the efficiency is gone. OBL is gone. the longer we wait, the better his chances of never being caught. I'm sick of it. i'm sick of PK's b.s. I, for one, don't feel safe as a WORLD CITIZEN (forget American he's a threat to the world), knowing OBL is alive and well.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I also want to point out that if we invaded Pakistan we would probably have no problem gaining the help of the Indians. Between us and the Indians we could easily crush them with the Indians taking most of the casualties.

Pakistan already has a seat at the nuclear table, we aren't going to screw with them, no matter what they're about. Besides, "hot preemption" is dead. No more "We can attack anyone because...... because.... well, because WE'RE the USA!"

that is right, we are going to wait until a nuclear device detonates in new york, or chicago, or washington. just to make the liberals happy. only after a few milion instant deaths will any policy other than appeasment and a years of economic sanctions that only starve the masses be considered.

Some of you guys depend WAY to much on sarcasm.

Just having a nuclear weapon doesn't mean it's going to be touched off. As deterent's they work GREAT. That's why we don't screw around with Russia or China, no matter what they do. As anything other than a last ditch weapon they suck. Why does minding are own bussness equate to "appeasement" for you? It seems like it's easier to rattle off doomsday scenarios than it is to just accept the fact that countries, meaning governments AND people, don't like to be told what's best for them, at the point of a cruise missle. Why not try something that hasn't been tried before, leave other countries the fock alone.

Lets face it. It IS too risky to allow a Muslim nation to have such technology. Call me predujice, I could care less. When you have over a billion pissed off people that think its okay to kill 'infidels', you have a problem. i would rather trust a so called rogue nation like Cuba with the nukes than PK, any day of the week.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I also want to point out that if we invaded Pakistan we would probably have no problem gaining the help of the Indians. Between us and the Indians we could easily crush them with the Indians taking most of the casualties.

Pakistan already has a seat at the nuclear table, we aren't going to screw with them, no matter what they're about. Besides, "hot preemption" is dead. No more "We can attack anyone because...... because.... well, because WE'RE the USA!"

that is right, we are going to wait until a nuclear device detonates in new york, or chicago, or washington. just to make the liberals happy. only after a few milion instant deaths will any policy other than appeasment and a years of economic sanctions that only starve the masses be considered.

Some of you guys depend WAY to much on sarcasm.

Just having a nuclear weapon doesn't mean it's going to be touched off. As deterent's they work GREAT. That's why we don't screw around with Russia or China, no matter what they do. As anything other than a last ditch weapon they suck. Why does minding are own bussness equate to "appeasement" for you? It seems like it's easier to rattle off doomsday scenarios than it is to just accept the fact that countries, meaning governments AND people, don't like to be told what's best for them, at the point of a cruise missle. Why not try something that hasn't been tried before, leave other countries the fock alone.

Lets face it. It IS too risky to allow a Muslim nation to have such technology. Call me predujice, I could care less. When you have over a billion pissed off people that think its okay to kill 'infidels', you have a problem. i would rather trust a so called rogue nation like Cuba with the nukes than PK, any day of the week.

Nope, I won't "face" any such thing. The rules that kept the USSR and us from blowing each other to Mars still apply. I care even less if you don't mind being a bigot. That's your baggage to carry, not mine. And why do you think those billion people are so pissed of? Or does that matter? We, meaning the fed, just don't have the wisdom or legal standing to rule the world, and that's a fact. We support monsters one minute, villify them the next and are WAY to quick to turn into mosters ourselves, for little of no rational reason. The Pakis aren't a threat to us. No one wants to see their entire country destroyed. That's why things would have to be unimagineably bad for ANY country to consider the use of nukes.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I also want to point out that if we invaded Pakistan we would probably have no problem gaining the help of the Indians. Between us and the Indians we could easily crush them with the Indians taking most of the casualties.

Pakistan already has a seat at the nuclear table, we aren't going to screw with them, no matter what they're about. Besides, "hot preemption" is dead. No more "We can attack anyone because...... because.... well, because WE'RE the USA!"

that is right, we are going to wait until a nuclear device detonates in new york, or chicago, or washington. just to make the liberals happy. only after a few milion instant deaths will any policy other than appeasment and a years of economic sanctions that only starve the masses be considered.

Some of you guys depend WAY to much on sarcasm.

Just having a nuclear weapon doesn't mean it's going to be touched off. As deterent's they work GREAT. That's why we don't screw around with Russia or China, no matter what they do. As anything other than a last ditch weapon they suck. Why does minding are own bussness equate to "appeasement" for you? It seems like it's easier to rattle off doomsday scenarios than it is to just accept the fact that countries, meaning governments AND people, don't like to be told what's best for them, at the point of a cruise missle. Why not try something that hasn't been tried before, leave other countries the fock alone.

Lets face it. It IS too risky to allow a Muslim nation to have such technology. Call me predujice, I could care less. When you have over a billion pissed off people that think its okay to kill 'infidels', you have a problem. i would rather trust a so called rogue nation like Cuba with the nukes than PK, any day of the week.

Nope, I won't "face" any such thing. The rules that kept the USSR and us from blowing each other to Mars still apply. I care even less if you don't mind being a bigot. That's your baggage to carry, not mine. And why do you think those billion people are so pissed of? Or does that matter? We, meaning the fed, just don't have the wisdom or legal standing to rule the world, and that's a fact. We support monsters one minute, villify them the next and are WAY to quick to turn into mosters ourselves, for little of no rational reason. The Pakis aren't a threat to us. No one wants to see their entire country destroyed. That's why things would have to be unimagineably bad for ANY country to consider the use of nukes.

a) The arms race the USSR and our country did was very wrong. It created a world where survival of the military fittest became numero uno. there should be more to life than this. I agree with you here.

However, WHY are they like this? Lets take America out of the equation for a second. WHY are they like this to: christian filipinos, christian malaysians, hindus, indians, spain, france, coptic xtians, etc? Draw a horizontal line around the globe, and I challenge you to find ONE region where Islamic terror has not put its footprint.

They are like this because they are taught this. They are taught it is okay to cheer at the sight of a mans head being lopped off. It is okay to torture animals, to behead a goat at a young age. To participate, to see the violence take place, at a young age, its okay. It desensitizes these people. When you've seen 100 goats being beheaded since you were 2 years old, all of a sudden beheading a human being isn't much of a big deal anymore, especially when your faith has already dehumanized them by degrading them to nothing more than a "Kaffir." What other religion will cause its people to blow up beautiful ancient statues and rape a country of its rich history just to further its own selfish cause?

Why do they kill their sisters when their sisters are a victim of rape? why do they cut their children to make them bleed, Allah wants this? why do they hand their young child a gun and a quran, and call it an education? why do they preach hatred? why is it okay for a man to cut his wife into pieces, simply because he 'suspected' she was cheating on him (everyday story in Pakistan). why do they think it is okay and that allah will grant them an all exclusive pass to heaven/martyrdom if they kill an infidel? then why do they apply the term 'infidel' so loosely and think it can mean anyone who bothers them?

Why? I'm not the bigot. They are. If you trust a people who have blind devotion to their faith, who will throw common sense, rationality, and science out the door in a heartbeat if they feel their faith is being compromised, with nuclear weapons, you're wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You guys are a bunch of wind bags. You're either with us or against us.

So you're superior because you see the situation as black and white ONLY?

Damn tooten. Black and white and nuck-que-lur.

Okay, now how about a serious response.

OK, I especially like the part about the Indians doing all the dying. That's really just too cleaver. Death by proxy. Sort of like telling the GIs, hey fellers, we're going to Iraq to remove some WMD, and forget to mention the oil, PNAC and stratigery.

Sounds seriously right to me. Pretty cool that you know about Project for a New American Century, BTW.

Moonbeam is never to be taken seriously. He's the jester of Politics and News. Even with the earthquake tragedy in Cali, I found it very difficult to take him seriously.

There's a reason Dari finds such things difficult and it's only indirectly related to me.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Personally I think we should have chased Al Qaeda into Pakistan and routed them. Then drive all the way to Islamabad with the Indians sweeping in on the other side. Crush them and completely cripple Al Qaeda, remove the Islamic Bomb, smash the Madrasas which even know turn out zealots to harm the US, and prove to the world that we are serious.

Instead we leave the fortress of the enemy intact. It baffles the mind.

I believe that this is why so many people are pissed off at Dubyas Iraq War.... Imagine if we would have devoted ALL of the focus, money, soldiers and BOMBS to Pakistan and the borders of Afghanistan INSTEAD of Iraq????

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
a) The arms race the USSR and our country did was very wrong. It created a world where survival of the military fittest became numero uno. there should be more to life than this. I agree with you here.

However, WHY are they like this? Lets take America out of the equation for a second. WHY are they like this to: christian filipinos, christian malaysians, hindus, indians, spain, france, coptic xtians, etc? Draw a horizontal line around the globe, and I challenge you to find ONE region where Islamic terror has not put its footprint.

Sure it was wrong. It was also wasteful and destructive. But it's also human nature to want to arm yourself against that which you don't understand and percieve as a potential threat. Human nature isn't going to change anytime soon though.

That's an easy question to answer when you apply a bit of empathy and some knowledge of recent history. Muslin fundementalism is a child of anger, frustration and the feeling that your concerns aren't being listened to. It's most virulent form was created by the US in Iran by our support of the Shah. By all accounts he was what we've come to call a "viscious dictator." He was more than willing to maim and kill to maintain his power, JUST like Hussein. We knew these things at the time but refused to see it for what it was. After all, OUR interests come first right? Don't get me wrong. It's okay to think that way. But it's stupid to expect others to feel any differently about THEIR interests, which we do with alarming regularity. Anyway, the Shah's excesses gave rise to a powerful religious\conservative backlash. We could have just apologized for 25-years of supporting a monster but as usual, we just couldn't leave it alone. Enter our hand-picked backfire to the growing hatred, Ayatolah Khomeini. But that didn't work either, he ended up being even more conservative than the "rabble" he was supposed to replace. From there (Iran) it just spread, gaining more momentum as the US tries harder and harder to repress it.

I don't offer the above in an effort to "educate" you, just to give you a snapshot of the way I see this.

Your buying the propaganda. They hate us and teach their children the same because of what we DO to them. I challenge you to give me another reason. The rest, well, It's going to have to be your own personal choice to concern yourself with that which is in front of you. No matter HOW worked up you get about things you don't like, our government STILL doesn't have the right to march through the world making everyone behave like us. The WORLD is going to fight back, any way it can, and it won't care about our ROE either.

"Why do they kill their sisters when their sisters are a victim of rape? why do they cut their children to make them bleed, Allah wants this? why do they hand their young child a gun and a quran, and call it an education? why do they preach hatred? why is it okay for a man to cut his wife into pieces, simply because he 'suspected' she was cheating on him (everyday story in Pakistan). why do they think it is okay and that allah will grant them an all exclusive pass to heaven/martyrdom if they kill an infidel? then why do they apply the term 'infidel' so loosely and think it can mean anyone who bothers them?"

"Why do they kill their sisters when their sisters are a victim of rape? why do they cut their children to make them bleed, Allah wants this? why do they hand their young child a gun and a quran, and call it an education? why do they preach hatred? why is it okay for a man to cut his wife into pieces, simply because he 'suspected' she was cheating on him (everyday story in Pakistan). why do they think it is okay and that allah will grant them an all exclusive pass to heaven/martyrdom if they kill an infidel? then why do they apply the term 'infidel' so loosely and think it can mean anyone who bothers them?"

You HATE these people, because they aren't like you and don't appear to care what you think. You even have they audacity to toss in religious intolerance. The great catch-all for TRUE bigots. The most ignorant of all reasons to kill your fellow man. And for the most part you base this fiery hatred on anecdotal/WORST possible case propaganda like the kind that has been used to exterminate millions in the past and probably billions more in the future. Look closely at the very end of the second paragraph:

"then why do they apply the term 'infidel' so loosely and think it can mean anyone who bothers them?"

I wouldn't bother to label you as anything if you screwed with me. I'd just deal with you in the harshest possible way. Mean huh? Let's not pretent that the US and her people aren't JUST as touchy. But I guess in your world people don't have the right NOT to be "bothered" by the US, huh?

"Why? I'm not the bigot. They are. If you trust a people who have blind devotion to their faith, who will throw common sense, rationality, and science out the door in a heartbeat if they feel their faith is being compromised, with nuclear weapons, you're wrong."

Nope. You can't pin calling you a bigot on me. Read back through your posts. You said you didn't care if your views made you a bigot. It doesn't matter whether we "trust" them or not (as if they're our focking children or something), the genie is out of the bottle. We can't bribe and/or bully EVERYONE. The best we can do is try to mend some fences, learn from our mistakes and mind our business. But that isn't going to happen is it? You won't allow it, right?

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Personally I think we should have chased Al Qaeda into Pakistan and routed them. Then drive all the way to Islamabad with the Indians sweeping in on the other side. Crush them and completely cripple Al Qaeda, remove the Islamic Bomb, smash the Madrasas which even know turn out zealots to harm the US, and prove to the world that we are serious.

Instead we leave the fortress of the enemy intact. It baffles the mind.

I believe that this is why so many people are pissed off at Dubyas Iraq War.... Imagine if we would have devoted ALL of the focus, money, soldiers and BOMBS to Pakistan and the borders of Afghanistan INSTEAD of Iraq????

This hits the nail on the head. We're jerkin ourselves off in Iraq while we're cozying up to the world's largest prolifiter of terrorism and WMD, and we're paying billions in taxpayer money for the priviledge. I wonder sometimes if we're not really fighting for the other side....

While I love this thread (G/J Tnitsuj!) its brilliance is it's irony is based on the hard, cold truth. (And also how it's sarcasm was completely missed by the certain members. )

While I'm not seriously advocating invading Pak, its makes a FK of a lot more sense than invading Iraq. On the danger scale, Iraq was a 3.5 - 4.27, while Pak is a 9.5. They are guilty of everything we (mostly falsely) accused Iraq of, times 10. If Musharrif gets whacked, maybe we should give India what it wants. At least then they'd stop getting their ministers shot up.


Edit: SherEPunjab makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. A bit more extreme than I would go, but everything is consistant with what I know.
(unless your in favor of being allowed to douse your wife in kerosine and set her alight.)

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
a) The arms race the USSR and our country did was very wrong. It created a world where survival of the military fittest became numero uno. there should be more to life than this. I agree with you here.

However, WHY are they like this? Lets take America out of the equation for a second. WHY are they like this to: christian filipinos, christian malaysians, hindus, indians, spain, france, coptic xtians, etc? Draw a horizontal line around the globe, and I challenge you to find ONE region where Islamic terror has not put its footprint.

Sure it was wrong. It was also wasteful and destructive. But it's also human nature to want to arm yourself against that which you don't understand and percieve as a potential threat. Human nature isn't going to change anytime soon though.

That's an easy question to answer when you apply a bit of empathy and some knowledge of recent history. Muslin fundementalism is a child of anger, frustration and the feeling that your concerns aren't being listened to. It's most virulent form was created by the US in Iran by our support of the Shah. By all accounts he was what we've come to call a "viscious dictator." He was more than willing to maim and kill to maintain his power, JUST like Hussein. We knew these things at the time but refused to see it for what it was. After all, OUR interests come first right? Don't get me wrong. It's okay to think that way. But it's stupid to expect others to feel any differently about THEIR interests, which we do with alarming regularity. Anyway, the Shah's excesses gave rise to a powerful religious\conservative backlash. We could have just apologized for 25-years of supporting a monster but as usual, we just couldn't leave it alone. Enter our hand-picked backfire to the growing hatred, Ayatolah Khomeini. But that didn't work either, he ended up being even more conservative than the "rabble" he was supposed to replace. From there (Iran) it just spread, gaining more momentum as the US tries harder and harder to repress it.

I don't offer the above in an effort to "educate" you, just to give you a snapshot of the way I see this.

Your buying the propaganda. They hate us and teach their children the same because of what we DO to them. I challenge you to give me another reason. The rest, well, It's going to have to be your own personal choice to concern yourself with that which is in front of you. No matter HOW worked up you get about things you don't like, our government STILL doesn't have the right to march through the world making everyone behave like us. The WORLD is going to fight back, any way it can, and it won't care about our ROE either.

"Why do they kill their sisters when their sisters are a victim of rape? why do they cut their children to make them bleed, Allah wants this? why do they hand their young child a gun and a quran, and call it an education? why do they preach hatred? why is it okay for a man to cut his wife into pieces, simply because he 'suspected' she was cheating on him (everyday story in Pakistan). why do they think it is okay and that allah will grant them an all exclusive pass to heaven/martyrdom if they kill an infidel? then why do they apply the term 'infidel' so loosely and think it can mean anyone who bothers them?"

"Why do they kill their sisters when their sisters are a victim of rape? why do they cut their children to make them bleed, Allah wants this? why do they hand their young child a gun and a quran, and call it an education? why do they preach hatred? why is it okay for a man to cut his wife into pieces, simply because he 'suspected' she was cheating on him (everyday story in Pakistan). why do they think it is okay and that allah will grant them an all exclusive pass to heaven/martyrdom if they kill an infidel? then why do they apply the term 'infidel' so loosely and think it can mean anyone who bothers them?"

You HATE these people, because they aren't like you and don't appear to care what you think. You even have they audacity to toss in religious intolerance. The great catch-all for TRUE bigots. The most ignorant of all reasons to kill your fellow man. And for the most part you base this fiery hatred on anecdotal/WORST possible case propaganda like the kind that has been used to exterminate millions in the past and probably billions more in the future. Look closely at the very end of the second paragraph:

"then why do they apply the term 'infidel' so loosely and think it can mean anyone who bothers them?"

I wouldn't bother to label you as anything if you screwed with me. I'd just deal with you in the harshest possible way. Mean huh? Let's not pretent that the US and her people aren't JUST as touchy. But I guess in your world people don't have the right NOT to be "bothered" by the US, huh?

"Why? I'm not the bigot. They are. If you trust a people who have blind devotion to their faith, who will throw common sense, rationality, and science out the door in a heartbeat if they feel their faith is being compromised, with nuclear weapons, you're wrong."

Nope. You can't pin calling you a bigot on me. Read back through your posts. You said you didn't care if your views made you a bigot. It doesn't matter whether we "trust" them or not (as if they're our focking children or something), the genie is out of the bottle. We can't bribe and/or bully EVERYONE. The best we can do is try to mend some fences, learn from our mistakes and mind our business. But that isn't going to happen is it? You won't allow it, right?

Its totally unacceptable for the U.S. to go around the world march around the world doing what it pleases for its own selfish interests. Just like it is for Muslims to terrorize coptic xtians, hindus, and for sunni muslims to go around and kill Shiite muslims because of differences in religion. A lot of Islamic terrorism has little to do with being oppressed, or abused, and more to do with Politics.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Hafen

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Personally I think we should have chased Al Qaeda into Pakistan and routed them. Then drive all the way to Islamabad with the Indians sweeping in on the other side. Crush them and completely cripple Al Qaeda, remove the Islamic Bomb, smash the Madrasas which even know turn out zealots to harm the US, and prove to the world that we are serious.

Instead we leave the fortress of the enemy intact. It baffles the mind.

I believe that this is why so many people are pissed off at Dubyas Iraq War.... Imagine if we would have devoted ALL of the focus, money, soldiers and BOMBS to Pakistan and the borders of Afghanistan INSTEAD of Iraq????

This hits the nail on the head. We're jerkin ourselves off in Iraq while we're cozying up to the world's largest prolifiter of terrorism and WMD, and we're paying billions in taxpayer money for the priviledge. I wonder sometimes if we're not really fighting for the other side....

While I love this thread (G/J Tnitsuj!) its brilliance is it's irony is based on the hard, cold truth. (And also how it's sarcasm was completely missed by the certain members. )

While I'm not seriously advocating invading Pak, its makes a FK of a lot more sense than invading Iraq. On the danger scale, Iraq was a 3.5 - 4.27, while Pak is a 9.5. They are guilty of everything we (mostly falsely) accused Iraq of, times 10. If Musharrif gets whacked, maybe we should give India what it wants. At least then they'd stop getting their ministers shot up.


Edit: SherEPunjab makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. A bit more extreme than I would go, but everything is consistant with what I know.
(unless your in favor of being allowed to douse your wife in kerosine and set her alight.)

I agree with your belief that we should have finished business in Afghanistan/Pakistan first. Thats what really bothered me about this War in Iraq. That bastard is still alive, and he poses a far greater threat than Hussein, as recently revealed. Call me a cynic, but maybe our govt. let him alone ON PURPOSE (OBL)? Why the quick change around. We hardly hear ANYTHING about OBL these days, except for the occasional tape he releases.

 

[tallest1]

The irony and hypocracy coming from the Bush-apologists is mind-blowing in this thread. Unfortunately, I'm too sleepy to write a coherent post. When I wake, hopefully.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab[I agree with your belief that we should have finished business in Afghanistan/Pakistan first. Thats what really bothered me about this War in Iraq. That bastard is still alive, and he poses a far greater threat than Hussein, as recently revealed. Call me a cynic, but maybe our govt. let him alone ON PURPOSE (OBL)? Why the quick change around. We hardly hear ANYTHING about OBL these days, except for the occasional tape he releases.

Why am I posting in this forum? I must be a closet punishment-glutton... But I agree as well that we totally gave up our focus on OBL for some reason. That reason likely being the political reality of Musharraf's Pakistan and the ungodly mess that would ensue if we destabilized him. Saddam's capture is like a TV game show consolation prize in comparison. One of many reasons why Bush zeroed in on him IMO - that he was eminently more capturable than Osama, so that if we didn't have that guy's head on a stake to parade through the town square, we'd have a brown skinned boogeyman's head to show off in any case.