Same can be said about republicans and Kerry, Crimson... The only thing that I approve of Bush doing is pushing the NASA programs further, but thats about it.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Please don't vote for Clinton this fall then
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This article is spot-on IMO. From participating in this forum, talking politics with many others, and seeing how the primaries played out -the "Bush hating" seems to be all the rage for the left.
CkG
Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: villager
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
ROFL!!! you libs are still dumb enough to believe bush is "stupid"?
i cannot wait to see bush demolish komrade kerry in debates like he did gore.
now back to far cry
Bush out debated Gore??? Remember his main tactic in the second debate on foreign policy. UHHH I agree with Clinton. Just about every question he said he agreed with Clinton's policy to keep Gore off his back.
GWB showed up at the debates and did not drool over himself. He managed to string two words together and the media proclaimed him beating expectations. This is the strategy of Rove to lower the bar so low that that anything would be beating expectations. The media gave GWB a free ride in 2000 because they love the horse race. He doesn't have that luxury anymore. He has been president for almost 4 years now, he really should try to know what he is talking about.
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"He has been president for almost 4 years now, he really should try to know what he is talking about. "
:thumbsup:
Siddhartha
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Yes, people are critical of GWB.
Yes, that no matter what he does some people will be critical of what he does It goes with the job. The US is a large country with a population that somewhat covers the political spectrum.
No, criticism of GWB is not the same as hating him
No, GWB is not above criticism. He is responsible for what happens during his watch.
Did anyone read the first f-ing post?! Where did I say he is not to be criticized? Please show me. As the article clearly states, liberals are taking EVERY position in saying Bush is evil. PLEASE read what was posted..
Again, nobody is addressing the topic. Liberals will take both sides of an issue and turn them both negative against Bush, so that it doesn't MATTER what the outcome is, its always a negative for Bush. Nobody is denying this.
Here's the simple response- Bush is a retard! He screws up constantly, takes crappy advice from his cabinet members, and is steered towards the political whims of scary people. Maybe if he could actually run a government, people wouldn't hate him so much.
Clearly, the collective intelligence of the left on this forum cannot come up with a response other than 'Bush stupid'... Wow.. I expected more from you guys.
I'll take that as an 'I agree' that the collective left on this board is too stupid to formulate an intelligent response.
Crimson, dude, settle. It's politics. Don't you understand that? Both sides play dirty. Both sides do everything. Why do you keep on insisting this is a "liberal problem?"
LightRider
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The real problem with Bush is not the fact that he is a bit slow. The real problem I have with him is his and his cronies consistent, unwavering and utter fealty to lies, untruths, prevarication and mendacity. There is virtually nothing that his administration has lied about to get nominated, ?elected,? economic policy and post-attack defense efforts.
But the real problem is not Bush, but his globalists New World Order council of masters. These are the ones responsible for orchestrating terrorist attacks against this and many other countries around the world. They are the ones looking to gain a strangle hold on all the world?s governments in order to achieve their goal of 80% worldwide population reduction.
Anyone but Bush is a fine idea, but we cannot be truly safe until the masters of this country?s President are exposed for the monsters they are and taken out of power.
But the real problem is not Bush, but his globalists New World Order council of masters. These are the ones responsible for orchestrating terrorist attacks against this and many other countries around the world. They are the ones looking to gain a strangle hold on all the world?s governments in order to achieve their goal of 80% worldwide population reduction.
Anyone but Bush is a fine idea, but we cannot be truly safe until the masters of this country?s President are exposed for the monsters they are and taken out of power.
Because when Clinton did the right thing, the right supported him. This partisanship has been brought to a whole new level by the liberal left in this election.
Example? Plus, I think you're missing the early part of Dubya's term when the dems were actually trying to cross the aisle and work in a bi-partisan manner. I think now, most of 'em probably feel like they were screwed for doing so.
Crimson
Don't you get it that nobody trusts Bush when he says something good happened? Trying to peel the spin off everything he says and does is like trying to peel an onion.
Don't you get it that nobody trusts Bush when he says something good happened? Trying to peel the spin off everything he says and does is like trying to peel an onion.
Trust has to be earned. It is human nature to distrust someone who attacks you and lies to you.
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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980
Well I think its quite unfair to say that President Bush's critics are so blinded by hate that they can't agree with Bush on any issue. This argument is false.
Personally, I make a judgement on an issue by issue basis--domestic and foreign policy. As I suspect most if not all folks do.
If I disagree with Bush and his administration on the individual issues, it is exactly in that manner--not a blanket disagreement on all issues without the benefit of analysis.
Consistency or lack-their-of, with regard to Bush criticism, is a cause and effect phenomena--Causation, which implies a temporal relationship--That is, you need the before to happen, before the after.
It just so happens that Bush makes policy (cause) that I disagree with often (effect)
Personally, I make a judgement on an issue by issue basis--domestic and foreign policy. As I suspect most if not all folks do.
If I disagree with Bush and his administration on the individual issues, it is exactly in that manner--not a blanket disagreement on all issues without the benefit of analysis.
Consistency or lack-their-of, with regard to Bush criticism, is a cause and effect phenomena--Causation, which implies a temporal relationship--That is, you need the before to happen, before the after.
It just so happens that Bush makes policy (cause) that I disagree with often (effect)
Thump553
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I totally disagree with Crimson that the original article lays out factual issues. Rather I would characterize the article as a set of gross oversimplifications, both of the Bush positions and of the reasons various people disagree with them. I find it highly ironic that the commentators that are promoting this article are the exact same bunch that turn into a bunch of florid faced rabid dogs whenever President Clinton (or better still) Hillary Clinton is even mentioned.
Demonization of political figures is nothing new, and is not limited to those on the left or those on the right. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. In my view, the contempt Bush is treated with is based squarely upon his performance.
Demonization of political figures is nothing new, and is not limited to those on the left or those on the right. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. In my view, the contempt Bush is treated with is based squarely upon his performance.
Yes, and that's why I don't go around starting wars, unless it's these bush fires I get going here and there.
Crimson??? The left didn't support Bush when he went after the Taliban?
Yes, we did. When he did the right thing, we supported him. Just like when the right agreed with Clinton, they supported him.
When Bush's actions and motives were questionable, we questioned them. I actually don't think he's a moron. I think he's a man born into privelidge with very questionable ties to the Saudi Family. But the reason I don't support him is because I'm pro choice, for gay rights, for a seculiar goevernment, against tax cuts for the rich (even though his tax cuts benefited me greatly)... etc., etc. I along with most other democrats simply disagree with his position. And yes, Kerry was born into priviledge too. I don't hold that against either one, I just feel uncomfortable about Bush's ties to the Saudi Family.
Yes, we did. When he did the right thing, we supported him. Just like when the right agreed with Clinton, they supported him.
When Bush's actions and motives were questionable, we questioned them. I actually don't think he's a moron. I think he's a man born into privelidge with very questionable ties to the Saudi Family. But the reason I don't support him is because I'm pro choice, for gay rights, for a seculiar goevernment, against tax cuts for the rich (even though his tax cuts benefited me greatly)... etc., etc. I along with most other democrats simply disagree with his position. And yes, Kerry was born into priviledge too. I don't hold that against either one, I just feel uncomfortable about Bush's ties to the Saudi Family.
Crimson, we might as well pack you up with Riprorin and Heartsurgeon as people that are incapable of seeing more than one side of any discussion. Get a Frickin clue already.
Show me one person "on the left" that didn't like the war in Afghanistan? (other than that wacky California Dem congresswoman) - no one on the left was critical, or spun anything to do with that.
Crimson, here is the response to your "topic" in one sentence - welcome to the American Political scene. Show me one instance where the "right" hasn't taken every aspect of Kerry - his personal life, his war service, his political career - and turned them into negatives? This administration is led by two people who avoided military service intentionally - and I'm not even getting into the whole 'deserter' issue - yet they have the gall to question anything Kerry did as a soldier or in his vocal criticism after the war? Isn't this the same group that tried to question McCain's patriotism when they were running against him?
The fact of the matter is that this administration is the most blantantly secretive, crony-feeding, and mis-leading administration in my lifetime, and likely further back than that. Job numbers are twisted, paperwork is destroyed, intelligence is highly flawed, the war in Iraq - which our own Senate investigation says was based on crap intel, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans lumped in with the rest to make the impact look more meaningful for the middle class - press conferences by Ashcroft to announce that a guy who has been in custody for 7 months was recently "thwarted" from attacking America's heartland, databases that can't be shared, former members of the administration being slandered when they speak out, Bush's religious views shaping many of his policy-making decisions,...should I continue?
Face it - the left is always going to criticize the right - yes, there will be exceptions, like attacking in Afghanistan, but the right is always going to criticize the left when they are in office just the same - just wait until this January, you'll see it all over again from a different point of view.
Show me one person "on the left" that didn't like the war in Afghanistan? (other than that wacky California Dem congresswoman) - no one on the left was critical, or spun anything to do with that.
Crimson, here is the response to your "topic" in one sentence - welcome to the American Political scene. Show me one instance where the "right" hasn't taken every aspect of Kerry - his personal life, his war service, his political career - and turned them into negatives? This administration is led by two people who avoided military service intentionally - and I'm not even getting into the whole 'deserter' issue - yet they have the gall to question anything Kerry did as a soldier or in his vocal criticism after the war? Isn't this the same group that tried to question McCain's patriotism when they were running against him?
The fact of the matter is that this administration is the most blantantly secretive, crony-feeding, and mis-leading administration in my lifetime, and likely further back than that. Job numbers are twisted, paperwork is destroyed, intelligence is highly flawed, the war in Iraq - which our own Senate investigation says was based on crap intel, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans lumped in with the rest to make the impact look more meaningful for the middle class - press conferences by Ashcroft to announce that a guy who has been in custody for 7 months was recently "thwarted" from attacking America's heartland, databases that can't be shared, former members of the administration being slandered when they speak out, Bush's religious views shaping many of his policy-making decisions,...should I continue?
Face it - the left is always going to criticize the right - yes, there will be exceptions, like attacking in Afghanistan, but the right is always going to criticize the left when they are in office just the same - just wait until this January, you'll see it all over again from a different point of view.
3chordcharlie
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I for one have never accused Bush of clandestine brilliance.
I give all the credit for manipulation to the Rumsfelds of the administration
I give all the credit for manipulation to the Rumsfelds of the administration
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