The brits are in for a rough ride

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misuspita

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You've had your win with Boris. Now America snatched it back with Trump. Twice! Why you wanna win again, Britain?
 

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Lifer
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You've had your win with Boris. Now America snatched it back with Trump. Twice! Why you wanna win again, Britain?

Does look as if we might grab the dunce's cap back again.

A long way to go to the election, but in the light of what's been happening in the US, I find the prospect of a Farage government extremely scary.

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Does look as if we might grab the dunce's cap back again.

A long way to go to the election, but in the light of what's been happening in the US, I find the prospect of a Farage government extremely scary.

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France and the Low Countries going to rebuild the Atlantic Wall at this rate.
 

fskimospy

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Does look as if we might grab the dunce's cap back again.

A long way to go to the election, but in the light of what's been happening in the US, I find the prospect of a Farage government extremely scary.

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It is sad but also a little funny how the UK voted in a referendum to make themselves permanently much poorer and now are furiously cycling politicians in an effort to get around that basic fact.

You already blasted your dick off, putting on a different pair of pants won't change that.
 

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It is sad but also a little funny how the UK voted in a referendum to make themselves permanently much poorer and now are furiously cycling politicians in an effort to get around that basic fact.

You already blasted your dick off, putting on a different pair of pants won't change that.
The issue is that said movement seems to be a death sentence of the UK as a union and separate between them and Scottland and North Ireland.
 

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who's this guy? mighty brave stance for a conservative
 

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It may be premature, but given the state of the opinion polls (Reform pulling ahead, Tories completely collapsing, Labour in slow-but-steady decline, Greens and Lib Dems way behind but gaining a little bit) I'm wondering if maybe both the Labour and Conservative Party are dying?

It seems as if there isn't really a political space for either of them now.

The Tories were always a coalition between corporate/globalist/neo-liberal plutocrats and working-class social-conservatives - and the former would now fit in much better with the "Orange book" neo-liberal Lib Dems, while the latter would fit in better with the Trump-like Reform.

Labour was always a coalition between working-class socialists and social democrats (even if some of the latter split off to form the SDP that became the Lib Dems, absorbing the dying-and-increasingly-anachronistic "Liberal" Party) and above all was supposed to represent organised Labour - something that has declined massively in influence and purpose since Thatcherism changed both the laws and the structure of the economy.

And now what's left of the 'working class' is much more fragmented and individualised and seems more identified with social conservatism than socialism, hence they'd fit better with Reform, and much of the 'middle class' has become proletarianised with their circumstances being more like that of the traditional working class, but with more formal education and more sociallly-liberal attitudes, and they'd fit better with an actual 'leftist' party, like the Greens.

In both cases there seems little political space left for either of the traditional 'two main parties'.
 
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I initially encountered this story on MS Edge's front page, but the report there was like "he resigned after calling someone dumb":


However, a smidgen more detail really paints the picture:

article said:
It comes after Yusuf said it was "dumb" for Reform's newest MP to call for a ban for the burka - a veil worn by some Muslim women that covers the face and body.
 
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Starmer, and his gang of hijackers, has locked everyone else out of the cockpit and is grimly and deliberately flying the Labour Party into the side of a mountain*.

I don't even understand why he's doing it.

I mean, not only does the latest poll show Labour at a record low of 20%, but if you look at the hypothetical-based poll, that includes a possible Corbyn 'left' party, Labour drops to 15% (dead level with the not-yet-existant Corbyn Party - which clearly nabs a share of the Green vote as well as Labour's). Of course that would mean a Reform government, but the stupid tribal Labour supporters apparently insist on splitting the anti-Reform vote.

* I've been watching youtube air crash investigation videos again
 

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The finest minds in Britain have introduced age requirements for some internet content, also in Britain....


Yeah, I've heard a lot of discussion as to how easy it's likely to be to get round these restrictions (a VPN and using foreign sites, is, apparently, a simple way).

I don't consider this in any way to be the worst thing this government has done, though. Am not even against the plan in principle, but it just sounds as if it won't work.

More annoyed by this

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...supreme-court-ruling-44bn-car-finance-scandal

Seems like an admission that the only way they can get 'growth' is to ensure the con-artists and grifters are left undisturbed by the law, while they inflate another financial bubble (this time in car financing).

In general this government seems to be keen to remove all the financial regulations that were put in place after the last financial crash - and then some. Setting us up to go round the same cycle again.

They really have no ideas as to how to make anything work. They are just floundering around. Frantically pulling levers marked "growth" that turn out not to be attached to anything.

Which makes me wonder why they wanted the job so badly and are so determined to suppress any dissent. I don't blame them for being bereft of ideas for solutions, the problems are immense. But why do they have to simultaneously be such authoritarian control-freaks? Why don't they just get out of the way and let someone else try something?