The brits are in for a rough ride

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~Match of the Day presenter’s comments on social media, in which he likened the language used to set out the government’s immigration plans to “that used by Germany in the 30s”.

~The home secretary, Suella Braverman, who has previously been criticised by a Holocaust survivor for the language used about refugees, claimed Lineker’s tweets “diminishes the unspeakable tragedy” of the Holocaust, calling the comparison he made to 30s Germany “lazy and unhelpful”.

“I think it is, from a personal point of view, to hear that characterization is offensive because – as you said – my husband is Jewish, my children are therefore directly descendant from people who were murdered in gas chambers during the Holocaust,”

you know that Gary's in the right when the home secretary is so f*&king stupid she tries to use that defence when she should be on his side of this argument considering how this is 'a personal affront' , why the f*&k are conservatives always so f*&king stupid/ wilfully blind
 
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~Match of the Day presenter’s comments on social media, in which he likened the language used to set out the government’s immigration plans to “that used by Germany in the 30s”.

~The home secretary, Suella Braverman, who has previously been criticised by a Holocaust survivor for the language used about refugees, claimed Lineker’s tweets “diminishes the unspeakable tragedy” of the Holocaust, calling the comparison he made to 30s Germany “lazy and unhelpful”.

“I think it is, from a personal point of view, to hear that characterization is offensive because – as you said – my husband is Jewish, my children are therefore directly descendant from people who were murdered in gas chambers during the Holocaust,”

you know that Gary's in the right when the home secretary is so f*&king stupid she tries to use that defence when she should be on his side of this argument considering how this is 'a personal affront' , why the f*&k are conservatives always so f*&king stupid/ wilfully blind
They aren't stupid and willfully blind. It's called being evil. That is their rotten core.
 

WelshBloke

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Some good news for those weary Brits, former PM Boris Johnson resigns as a mp
Fuck that guy.

He's one of those people who (and I understand that a worrying % of politicians fall into this category) have a relaxed relationship with the truth, and are only in politics because they lack the skills to make it else where.
 

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Some good news for those weary Brits, former PM Boris Johnson resigns as a mp

Well, it's a mixed-bag, really.

He's really gone full-Trump at this point - misrepresenting what happened with the Standards Inquiry and trying to claim it's some implausible grand conspiracy against him (going back to Sue Grey's inquiry, which was only set up in the first place by him and the Tories as a delaying tactic to kick partygate into the long grass - I mean _they_ picked Grey and went on-and-on about how much integrity she has...now suddenly she was always part of some vast Labour Party conspiracy against Johnson all along).

He also ignores the fact that the standards committee that found he mislead parliament has an overwhelming majority of Tories on it - apparently even his own party are in on this massive conspiracy against him.

And then he quits as an MP immediately, like the petulant man-baby he is, even though all the inquiry result meant was that he'd have to face a by-election. If he was sure he was so innocent he could have asked his electorate to re-elect him.

He's also just bumped a huge list of his supporters and pals into the Lords.

It's been speculated that he'll just find a safer Tory seat and get back into parliament again. Nadine Dorries (his biggest fan) has just announced she's standing down immediately, so Johnson might take her seat (which is a safer one). It's only the fact that her seat in the Lords was apparently withdrawn that means it's not obvious that this was the plan all along (she gets into the Lords, Johnson takes her seat)

Or he might just cash in all the influence and contacts he's gained and pursue his favourite activity of enriching himself.


The upside is that it looks as if the Tory Party could potentially plunge into civil war over this, between pro- and anti- Johnson factions. God, I hope that happens.
 

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I mean, it's really veering into Trumpery - just more literate, and without Caps Lock. You can almost hear Trump's voice breaking through at points. There's probably a filter out there somewhere that could translate it into Trumpese, expressing the same sentiments, just in more broken syntax.

 

WelshBloke

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I mean, it's really veering into Trumpery - just more literate, and without Caps Lock.
The good thing is that pretty much everyone is just going "Yeh, you partied while we died. Fuck you"

He does not have support in his party or in public.
 

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The good thing is that pretty much everyone is just going "Yeh, you partied while we died. Fuck you"

He does not have support in his party or in public.

I don't know about 'the public' - I hope you are right. But he does appear to have at least a small fanbase in the Tory Party. Maybe it's vanishingly small - but I kind of hope it's large enough to cause grief for Sunak, without actually bringing Johnson back.
 

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I don't know about 'the public' - I hope you are right. But he does appear to have at least a small fanbase in the Tory Party. Maybe it's vanishingly small - but I kind of hope it's large enough to cause grief for Sunak, without actually bringing Johnson back.
Oh the Tories are still eating each other! I hope He keeps being loud and chipping against the rest of the party.
 
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Some good news for those weary Brits, former PM Boris Johnson resigns as a mp

But is that so he can be put in as PM again? I don't know (and based on what's happened since 2015 there have no interest in learning) British politics. The fact that clownfucking jackass was already PM what, twice, and he's been the best they can seemingly put forward by the current right wing regime.

Did all the British punks of the 70s and 80s become fascists?
 

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Some good news for those weary Brits, former PM Boris Johnson resigns as a mp

Always remember the quote from his schoolmaster:

"[He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."
It fits perfectly with the tone in his resignation letter.
 

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I like the sound of this comment (as a second Johnson supporter quits, after Nadine Dorries, triggering a third byelection that the Tories could likely lose).


“It’s a Thelma and Louise moment, deciding to drive off the cliff together,” said a minister.
 

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Not familiar with british terms but does that mean a general election that could oust the tories finally?

AFAIK no. Even if the government ended up being a minority government (and AFAIK they're far from that), they could continue to run until their term is up at which point a general election has to be called.

Admittedly if they did become a minority government then their ability to push through legislation would be further compromised so they might decide to call an election immediately.

Practically speaking, the only thing that will oust the tories will be if Labour presents themselves as tory-lite again and the right-wing wags run with them (the last time that happened was 1997).
 

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Not familiar with british terms but does that mean a general election that could oust the tories finally?

The main problem is, because they start off with such a large majority, it would require a _lot_ of Tory MPs to stand down, before they became a minority government.

As the polls currently stand, any MP who quits is likely to lead to a byelection that the Tories lose, so every one that goes is a reduction in their majority. The ones who are quitting I suspect are doing so as much because they know they will lose at the next election anyway, as because they are Johnson loyalists.

In the unlikely event that did happen, though, there could be a vote of confidence that they'd lose and there would have to be a general election. What one might hope for is that even without it getting that far the steady stream of rats leaving the sinking ship, and the image of chaos and failure it creates, will lead to Sunak giving up and calling an early general election anyway.
 

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The whole thing really emphasises how the Lords really needs to be done-away-with in its current form.
A crap Tory PM, who quit in abject failure, gets to appoint a long list of his supporters and cronies to the second-chamber, for life. It's an absurd system.

I was going to say it's as if the US allowed the President to appoint Senators, and do so for life, but come to think of it, that's pretty much how the Supreme Court works. It seems similar in its absurdity though. Also, there are just so damn many Lords, now. Hundreds of the blighters. Every government that gets in appoints another lot to ensure their dominance. Eventually everybody in the country will be a member of the Lords (which would be pretty cool, really - we could all use the subsidised bar and claim attendence allowance).
 

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The whole thing really emphasises how the Lords really needs to be done-away-with in its current form.
A crap Tory PM, who quit in abject failure, gets to appoint a long list of his supporters and cronies to the second-chamber, for life. It's an absurd system.

I was going to say it's as if the US allowed the President to appoint Senators, and do so for life, but come to think of it, that's pretty much how the Supreme Court works. It seems similar in its absurdity though. Also, there are just so damn many Lords, now. Hundreds of the blighters. Every government that gets in appoints another lot to ensure their dominance. Eventually everybody in the country will be a member of the Lords (which would be pretty cool, really - we could all use the subsidised bar and claim attendence allowance).
I'm not sure what we'd have instead of the Lords. Another elected house would be too similar to the Commons.
There are too many of them. Maybe fixed terms and make it more representative age wise. Maybe like jury service or national service, everyone has a chance to get chosen and has to do it for a few years?
 

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And...Here...We...Go...


Supporters of Boris Johnson have vowed to target Conservative members of the privileges committee and Tory MPs who endorse its findings for deselection, as the aftermath of the report prompted vicious internal infighting.

(some people just want to watch the Tory Party burn)

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(AI may put political cartoonists out of a job)
 

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Of course, the Mail and The Express are sticking by Johnson, going along with his "it's all a vast liberal conspiracy" line (I guess they are appealing to middle-England/home-counties Tories and Northern pensioner ones, respectively - annoying to think there's anyone out there dumb enough to fall for that).

The idea that he was "driven out of parliament" "undemocratically" is just absurd.

It took a Tory-majority committee to find him guilty, that verdict would then have to be voted on by a parliament with a huge Tory majority, and then the main consequence, if those MPs voted to accept the committee verdict, would be he'd have to face re-election in his constituency that has a large majority of Tory voters. But he quit before going through any of that, because he reckoned he'd lose at every step. Because he knows he's a liar.
 

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Like Trump, I'm having trouble keeping up with the pile of shit that Johnson has got up to. The latest appears to be some kind of quid pro quo arrangement between Johnson appointing the editor the Daily Mail for a role in exchange for getting a job at TDM after being PM?


article said:
As PM Johnson did go to remarkable lengths to curry favour with the Daily Mail, even trying to get its editor-in-chief, Paul Dacre, installed as chair of Ofsted. His new job could be seen as pay-back for this, and Acoba says one reason for its rules is to stop ministers being “influenced by the hope or expectation of future employment with a particular firm or organisation”. But Conservative politicians, and some Labour ones, have always tried to keep the Mail on side.
 

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Like Trump, I'm having trouble keeping up with the pile of shit that Johnson has got up to. The latest appears to be some kind of quid pro quo arrangement between Johnson appointing the editor the Daily Mail for a role in exchange for getting a job at TDM after being PM?



He's become more-and-more of a mini-Trump (a Trumpette?) over time. Also the Conservatives seem to have developed a pattern of trying to put their pet place-people into what are supposed to be non-political roles (the head of the Met, the head of the BBC, and now Ofsted)
 

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He's become more-and-more of a mini-Trump (a Trumpette?) over time. Also the Conservatives seem to have developed a pattern of trying to put their pet place-people into what are supposed to be non-political roles (the head of the Met, the head of the BBC, and now Ofsted)

Similar to US supreme court tactics perhaps?
 

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