The brits are in for a rough ride

[pmv]

Peter Hitchens with the weirdest take on politics I've seen in some time. Complaining that the Labour Party under Starmer is too wishy-washy to renationalise the rail and water industries, and that conservatives should do it instead, as it's the patriotic thing to do.

(He's like a mirror-image of his late brother, relentlessly contrarian - but it's a symptom of just how badly the conservatives are doing, and how timid Starmer is - Peter Hitchens is to the left of him)

PETER HITCHENS: Privatising water and rail has been a disaster

PETER HITCHENS: Thames Water, the vital strategic supply for the national capital and the economically crucial region around it, is now virtually bankrupt

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[KMFJD]

Just 9% of UK voters believe Brexit gone well - study

Less than one in ten of British voters believe that Brexit has gone well, according to a new study.

www.rte.ie

some rough numbers there, Labour under that idiot has no appetite to get campaign on going back in, is there a party that does with significant support?

 

[Timorous]

Just 9% of UK voters believe Brexit gone well - study

Less than one in ten of British voters believe that Brexit has gone well, according to a new study.

www.rte.ie

some rough numbers there, Labour under that idiot has no appetite to get campaign on going back in, is there a party that does with significant support?

If Labour talked about going back in at all the Daily Mail, Express, telegraph etc would be out for blood.

Unfortunately it is a poison chalice.

 

[K1052]

Most of the parties in Europe that were pro EU exiting basically stopped talking about it because Brexit sucked so bad. Remaining in the EU, even with its issues, is much preferred by basically everybody.

 

[WelshBloke]

If Labour talked about going back in at all the Daily Mail, Express, telegraph etc would be out for blood.

Unfortunately it is a poison chalice.

We wouldn't be able to get the ridiculously favourable terms that we had before we left either!

 

[fskimospy]

We wouldn't be able to get the ridiculously favourable terms that we had before we left either!

I like how people in that article are like 'let's not talk about Brexit - we need to talk about the economy!'

They apparently do not realize that Brexit is a significant contributor to the UK's current economic problems.

 

[WelshBloke]

I like how people in that article are like 'let's not talk about Brexit - we need to talk about the economy!'

They apparently do not realize that Brexit is a significant contributor to the UK's current economic problems.

It's utterly ridiculous how people are so invested in being right that they can't back down on any of this!

 

[dank69]

I hope this trend continues, everywhere:

https://imgur.com/a/yUEsup2

 

[WelshBloke]

I hope this trend continues, everywhere:

https://imgur.com/a/yUEsup2

Predicted seats if there was a GE today.

 

[evident]

When is the next election?

 

[hal2kilo]

When is the next election?

Well it used to be when they couldn't get consensus they would call for an election, but being pig headed conservatives like over here, they can't get a consensus to do it.

 

[WelshBloke]

When is the next election?

Between now and mid December 2024. Realistically probably October 2024.

 

[pmv]

When is the next election?

Actually it could be as late as January 2025, if Sunak really decides to push it right up to the buffers.

As I've said before, this really feels like the longest parliamentary term in history. It's just interminable. I think it feels even longer because not only have there been endless crises, and changes of leader (making it feel like several terms in one), but also Sunak appears to have no agenda or plan - he's just treading water, running down the clock and hoping that something turns up to save them. Which makes it feel like time is passing even more slowly.
(The only thing I could imagine 'turning up' to save this lot, would be Putin starting WW3. Then maybe there would be a rallying round the flag and the incumbents, and they could hope to rule over the ashes)

 

[fskimospy]

Has there ever been a UK governing party that has fucked up so completely and utterly as the Tories have in the last 5 years or so?

I’m not a UK Election Knower but as far as I can tell they would be absolutely buried if an election happened today.

 

[fskimospy]

And by the way, rightfully so. You should be judged on your results and does anyone think the results for the UK have been good?

 

[pmv]

Has there ever been a UK governing party that has fucked up so completely and utterly as the Tories have in the last 5 years or so?

I’m not a UK Election Knower but as far as I can tell they would be absolutely buried if an election happened today.

Not as far as I can remember. Not even the pre-Thatcher Callaghan government with the "Winter of Discontent" and all that, or Major's slow long-drawn-out collapse (while battling "the bastards", who now basically run the party) really compare with the recent farrago. It just had so many different chapters, that's what must make it unique. Like a compilation album of disasters, each in a different style or genre.

Arguably, Blair caused a bigger mess, but he caused it in Iraq rather than at home.

 

[fskimospy]

Not as far as I can remember. Not even the pre-Thatcher Callaghan government with the "Winter of Discontent" and all that, or Major's slow long-drawn-out collapse (while battling "the bastards", who now basically run the party) really compare with the recent farrago. It just had so many different chapters, that's what must make it unique. Like a compilation album of disasters, each in a different style or genre.

Arguably, Blair caused a bigger mess, but he caused it in Iraq rather than at home.

While Iraq was a disaster I think Brexit has hurt the average UK citizen far more. One of the worst self-inflicted casualties in modern history.

 

[Brainonska511]

While Iraq was a disaster I think Brexit has hurt the average UK citizen far more. One of the worst self-inflicted casualties in modern history.

What's really crazy about Brexit is that the referendum was nonbinding and barely passed, but they still went forward with it anyway, knowing it was an insanely bad idea.

 

[darkswordsman17]

What's really crazy about Brexit is that the referendum was nonbinding and barely passed, but they still went forward with it anyway, knowing it was an insanely bad idea.

I'm sure you can twist that Pink Floyd line about the English way to explain this.

You know, it strikes me that England basically internalized their Empiricism and have slowly been subjugating themselves to that which they had been forcing on the rest of the world and they seem to find it about as appealing as everyone else did. Seems they're just accepting this is their due fate for the shit they did.

 

[darkswordsman17]

What's really crazy about Brexit is that the referendum was nonbinding and barely passed, but they still went forward with it anyway, knowing it was an insanely bad idea.

Yeah, the entirety of it was so utterly baffling. Unfortunately because he was smart enough to slink away and largely STFU, doesn't seem like people are giving David Cameron his fair share of blame for enabling it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yeah, the entirety of it was so utterly baffling. Unfortunately because he was smart enough to slink away and largely STFU, doesn't seem like people are giving David Cameron his fair share of blame for enabling it.

That dude is like history's best crop duster.

 

[sdifox]

While Iraq was a disaster I think Brexit has hurt the average UK citizen far more. One of the worst self-inflicted casualties in modern history.

It's just a scratch!

 

[pmv]

I'm sure you can twist that Pink Floyd line about the English way to explain this.

You know, it strikes me that England basically internalized their Empiricism and have slowly been subjugating themselves to that which they had been forcing on the rest of the world and they seem to find it about as appealing as everyone else did. Seems they're just accepting this is their due fate for the shit they did.

I assume you mean 'imperialism' (empiricism is something else entirely). And, yes, it's pretty commonly observed that tactics that are first used on colonial subjects will eventually be used on the working class at home. Though to a large degree when it comes to imperialism the UK just passed the baton to the US. We decided to become that kid who follows the bully around the playground urging him on and joining in occasionally.

Cameron was just one in a long-line of imbeciles produced by the elite private schools.

 

[fskimospy]

I assume you mean 'imperialism' (empiricism is something else entirely). And, yes, it's pretty commonly observed that tactics that are first used on colonial subjects will eventually be used on the working class at home. Though to a large degree when it comes to imperialism the UK just passed the baton to the US. We decided to become that kid who follows the bully around the playground urging him on and joining in occasionally.

Cameron was just one in a long-line of imbeciles produced by the elite private schools.

I still can’t believe he sat in motion a plan that would devastate the UK while eating at an airport UNO’s pizza.

 

[WelshBloke]

Has there ever been a UK governing party that has fucked up so completely and utterly as the Tories have in the last 5 years or so?

I’m not a UK Election Knower but as far as I can tell they would be absolutely buried if an election happened today.

The Tories have a long and rich history of punching themselves in the face but managing to stay in power. It's baffling that people still think that they are "a safe pair of hands" when they are so dysfunction!