The birth of the different races

[TMPadmin]

Putting aside any disbelief in the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah. Let's say the bible is an exact historical account of history.

If Noah was descended from Adam & Eve and the Israelites were the chosen people it would make sense that Adam & Eve were Jewish. Not by practice but by the fact that when God would create human life he would create his chosen people. So Adam & Eve must have been Jews.

Noah & his wife his sons and their wives dispersed after the flood. Occupying different places on earth. After sever generations of breeding (let's forget the inbreeding issue) the children who survived would carry traits that helped them survive, those who died because of a lack of ability to adapt would not pass on those undesirable traits. Therefore weeding out bad traits and amplifying desirable traits. Some areas would force a stronger larger human giving validity to the question "What makes some races more athletically inclined or natural conquerors? ".

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Sid59
how many races are there?

i dont know really, thats an excellent question too. There are thousands of lanuguages??

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Putting aside any disbelief in the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah. Let's say the bible is an exact historical account of history.

If Noah was descended from Adam & Eve and the Israelites were the chosen people it would make sense that Adam & Eve were Jewish. Not by practice but by the fact that when God would create human life he would create his chosen people. So Adam & Eve must have been Jews.

Noah & his wife his sons and their wives dispersed after the flood. Occupying different places on earth. After sever generations of breeding (let's forget the inbreeding issue) the children who survived would carry traits that helped them survive, those who died because of a lack of ability to adapt would not pass on those undesirable traits. Therefore weeding out bad traits and amplifying desirable traits. Some areas would force a stronger larger human giving validity to the question "What makes some races more athletically inclined or natural conquerors? ".

i think history has shown us that people living in colder regions are more aggressive than people in warmer climates.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
archeology and history however seem to indicate 3 Cradles of civilization. Yellow river in China, Euphrates in the Mid east and one in Africa.

evolutionary theory would seem to support "different" races better than Creation theory as it was possible for the human species to evolve in 3 different locations.

but if so, how come they are soo genetically close? was that PURELY by chance?

i personally don't believe in a literal biblical creation account, but a purely evolutionary theory has holes for me too.

Neanderthal man just "disappeared" in according to many theories. Some say they were killed off by homo sapiens and some say (I agree with) that they were bread into the species. So saying that humans evolved from three different locations may not be as far off as thought. As for the third maybe there was a partial migration of some "packs" to another area.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Putting aside any disbelief in the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah. Let's say the bible is an exact historical account of history.

If Noah was descended from Adam & Eve and the Israelites were the chosen people it would make sense that Adam & Eve were Jewish. Not by practice but by the fact that when God would create human life he would create his chosen people. So Adam & Eve must have been Jews.

Noah & his wife his sons and their wives dispersed after the flood. Occupying different places on earth. After sever generations of breeding (let's forget the inbreeding issue) the children who survived would carry traits that helped them survive, those who died because of a lack of ability to adapt would not pass on those undesirable traits. Therefore weeding out bad traits and amplifying desirable traits. Some areas would force a stronger larger human giving validity to the question "What makes some races more athletically inclined or natural conquerors? ".

i think history has shown us that people living in colder regions are more aggressive than people in warmer climates.

What about modern history (last 2K years)? Middle East area?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
archeology and history however seem to indicate 3 Cradles of civilization. Yellow river in China, Euphrates in the Mid east and one in Africa.

evolutionary theory would seem to support "different" races better than Creation theory as it was possible for the human species to evolve in 3 different locations.

but if so, how come they are soo genetically close? was that PURELY by chance?

i personally don't believe in a literal biblical creation account, but a purely evolutionary theory has holes for me too.

Neanderthal man just "disappeared" in according to many theories. Some say they were killed off by homo sapiens and some say (I agree with) that they were bread into the species. So saying that humans evolved from three different locations may not be as far off as thought. As for the third maybe there was a partial migration of some "packs" to another area.

if they evolved in 3 different places pretty much simultaneously, how come they are all so genetically compatible. the odds of that seem to be far off, especially as evolution usually takes enviromental factors into consideration.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
archeology and history however seem to indicate 3 Cradles of civilization. Yellow river in China, Euphrates in the Mid east and one in Africa.

evolutionary theory would seem to support "different" races better than Creation theory as it was possible for the human species to evolve in 3 different locations.

but if so, how come they are soo genetically close? was that PURELY by chance?

i personally don't believe in a literal biblical creation account, but a purely evolutionary theory has holes for me too.

But, put it this way, everyone has parents, they had parents, etc. etc.

Go back far enough and there will be a common link somewhere. The trouble is, that's a very difficult task for science to succeed in completing. If one invented a time machine and travelled backward following one's lineage, an answer could be found but...well....that's not going to happen!!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Putting aside any disbelief in the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah. Let's say the bible is an exact historical account of history.

If Noah was descended from Adam & Eve and the Israelites were the chosen people it would make sense that Adam & Eve were Jewish. Not by practice but by the fact that when God would create human life he would create his chosen people. So Adam & Eve must have been Jews.

Noah & his wife his sons and their wives dispersed after the flood. Occupying different places on earth. After sever generations of breeding (let's forget the inbreeding issue) the children who survived would carry traits that helped them survive, those who died because of a lack of ability to adapt would not pass on those undesirable traits. Therefore weeding out bad traits and amplifying desirable traits. Some areas would force a stronger larger human giving validity to the question "What makes some races more athletically inclined or natural conquerors? ".

i think history has shown us that people living in colder regions are more aggressive than people in warmer climates.

What about modern history (last 2K years)? Middle East area?

agreed, economic factors have changed natural human tendencies.

it's Desperation that makes people more warlike. People in the tropics with easy access to food, water and little need for real shelter are less warlike than people in northern europe (i don't mean of today but of 700 hundred years ago).

now, our world has changed and climate doesn't have near the influence on a peoples Well being as it used to.

 

[Luagsch]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Putting aside any disbelief in the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah. Let's say the bible is an exact historical account of history.

If Noah was descended from Adam & Eve and the Israelites were the chosen people it would make sense that Adam & Eve were Jewish. Not by practice but by the fact that when God would create human life he would create his chosen people. So Adam & Eve must have been Jews. [/i].

objection😛

religion was "founded" after adam + eve were kicked from paradise. they were perfect in paradies (and adam chatted with god, no religious bytone there) and that changed when they where kicked from there after eating the fruit given by the snake. since then aside from jesus every living human was with sin and not as god has intended them.

i rest my case😉

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
archeology and history however seem to indicate 3 Cradles of civilization. Yellow river in China, Euphrates in the Mid east and one in Africa.

evolutionary theory would seem to support "different" races better than Creation theory as it was possible for the human species to evolve in 3 different locations.

but if so, how come they are soo genetically close? was that PURELY by chance?

i personally don't believe in a literal biblical creation account, but a purely evolutionary theory has holes for me too.

But, put it this way, everyone has parents, they had parents, etc. etc.

Go back far enough and there will be a common link somewhere. The trouble is, that's a very difficult task for science to succeed in completing. If one invented a time machine and travelled backward following one's lineage, an answer could be found but...well....that's not going to happen!!

conjur, i understand evolution.

your missing link, how is that any less in breeding than noah?

if not ONE point of origin (no inbreeding) than how to explain the consistency of genetic makeup. why not several Races or Species of humans?

for eg, the cat family, evolutionary speaking one could say all cats come from the same "missing link" and yet there is a HUGE disparity of cats from the domestic cat to the tiger.

cross breeding tigers and lions have a VASTLY different impact that cross breeding a Korean with a Brit and the reason is, there is a MUCH larger difference in genetic makeup between tiger and lion than there is between Korean and Brit.

if there are 3 cradles of civilisation, then we have something remotely resembling the human being evolving in 3 disparate locations accross the globe. it will be CENTURIES before they ever meet and cross breed and yet when they finally do they are perfectly compatible genetically. that REEKS of a designer or coordinator and not something PURELY based on chance.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

i think history has shown us that people living in colder regions are more aggressive than people in warmer climates.

What about modern history (last 2K years)? Middle East area?

agreed, economic factors have changed natural human tendencies.

it's Desparation that makes people more warlike. People in the tropics with easy access to food, water and little need for real shelter are less warlike than people in northern europe (i don't mean of today but of 700 hundred years ago).

now, our world has changed and climate doesn't have near the influence on a peoples Well being as it used to.

True however, it still all comes down to our basic instinct to live. We all need to eat, economics unfortunately play an important roll in satisfying that instinct today. So in prehistoric times when a "pack" moved on to find more food after they depleted there area they MAY have encountered another pack where they had to fight to get the best food or even all the food. Today while it may look like economics, political and such it is still rooted in the basic need to survive and in turn strive.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: conjur
But, put it this way, everyone has parents, they had parents, etc. etc.

Go back far enough and there will be a common link somewhere. The trouble is, that's a very difficult task for science to succeed in completing. If one invented a time machine and travelled backward following one's lineage, an answer could be found but...well....that's not going to happen!!

conjur, i understand evolution.

your missing link, how is that any less in breeding than noah?

if not ONE point of origin (no inbreeding) than how to explain the consistency of genetic makeup. why not several Races or Species of humans?

for eg, the cat family, evolutionary speaking one could say all cats come from the same "missing link" and yet there is a HUGE disparity of cats from the domestic cat to the tiger.

cross breeding tigers and lions have a VASTLY different impact that cross breeding a Korean with a Brit and the reason is, there is a MUCH larger difference in genetic makeup between tiger and lion than there is between Korean and Brit.

if there are 3 cradles of civilisation, then we have something remotely resembling the human being evolving in 3 disparate locations accross the globe. it will be CENTURIES before they ever meet and cross breed and yet when they finally do they are perfectly compatible genetically. that REEKS of a designer or coordinator and not something PURELY based on chance.

All I'm saying is if you go back far enough, you'll eventually reach that primordial ooze from whence the first amino acids formed and some form of life began. That life grew and evolved and must have branched into varying forms and then they in turn grew and evolved and branched out, etc.

At some point in time, there was one cat species.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Luagsch

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Putting aside any disbelief in the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah. Let's say the bible is an exact historical account of history.

If Noah was descended from Adam & Eve and the Israelites were the chosen people it would make sense that Adam & Eve were Jewish. Not by practice but by the fact that when God would create human life he would create his chosen people. So Adam & Eve must have been Jews. [/i].

objection😛

religion was "founded" after adam + eve were kicked from paradise. they were perfect in paradies (and adam chatted with god, no religious bytone there) and that changed when they where kicked from there after eating the fruit given by the snake. since then aside from jesus every living human was with sin and not as god has intended them.

i rest my case😉

You did not debunk my hypothesis. If you were God, and you created life would that life not be the "chosen People"? Simply by the fact that you create makes them chosen. Now God made one "mistake" (Please note the quotes!) he gave humans free will. Even a star athlete makes a mistake, even Amadeus slipped a note here and there. Unfortunately the mistake made was punishable in the manner it was. But the CONCEPT of religion was "founded" after A&E. There was no need to distinguish any Religion at that time.

Wow! Does everyone see how much logic is thrown out of the window when you take the Bible literally? I'm not for or against Religion but I can not take the Bible literally.

God can not know the outcome without knowing the means to that outcome. I don't remember what we were debating? So God knew they would partake of the fruit but left it to "us" to decide. This makes much more sense if you look at it less literally.

 

[Luagsch]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Luagsch

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Putting aside any disbelief in the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah. Let's say the bible is an exact historical account of history.

If Noah was descended from Adam & Eve and the Israelites were the chosen people it would make sense that Adam & Eve were Jewish. Not by practice but by the fact that when God would create human life he would create his chosen people. So Adam & Eve must have been Jews. [/i].

objection😛

religion was "founded" after adam + eve were kicked from paradise. they were perfect in paradies (and adam chatted with god, no religious bytone there) and that changed when they where kicked from there after eating the fruit given by the snake. since then aside from jesus every living human was with sin and not as god has intended them.

i rest my case😉

You did not debunk my hypothesis. If you were God, and you created life would that life not be the "chosen People"? Simply by the fact that you create makes them chosen. Now God made one "mistake" (Please note the quotes!) he gave humans free will. Even a star athlete makes a mistake, even Amadeus slipped a note here and there. Unfortunately the mistake made was punishable in the manner it was. But the CONCEPT of religion was "founded" after A&E. There was no need to distinguish any Religion at that time.

Wow! Does everyone see how much logic is thrown out of the window when you take the Bible literally? I'm not for or against Religion but I can not take the Bible literally.

God can not know the outcome without knowing the means to that outcome. I don't remember what we were debating? So God knew they would partake of the fruit but left it to "us" to decide. This makes much more sense if you look at it less literally.

ok, back to the "chosen ones". i would rather say, that after god saw, that adam + eve where criminals (they offended the only law given😉 ) he decided to have a plan B that consisted of a "chosen nation" descendant from believers in him (abraham, isaac, jacob) from which jesus would descent to bring back the hope (or something). a that point the chosen ones were chosen, not before that.

(christianity) and as the new testament implies that after jesus the "chosen ones" weren't chosen anymore. (contrairy to the jewish believe-system that beliebe they are chosen and wait for the messiah)

so the "chosen ones" were only a system to get jesus down to do what he did.

and just for the sake of it: chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen,
chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen 😉 :beer:

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: Sid59
how many races are there?

i dont know really, thats an excellent question too. There are thousands of lanuguages??

hint .. for a race to be different, it has to be different in genetics. One human race and the rest is religious and enthic differences.