Originally posted by: destrekor
	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by: Modelworks
	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by: destrekor
	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by: Modelworks
	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by: hopeless74
maybe the universe is on an infinite loop. once its reaches the end of its life, bang, it starts again
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Actually that is what some current physicist are thinking.
That what we see is happening over and over.
If that is true then we are in a infinite loop where everything we have done or will do is being repeated forever.
Very depressing thought.
All the major mistakes I made in life I will do again , for all eternity.
		
 
		
	 
I don't think it works that way. 

everything you have ever known, and ever will know, will not exist in the next version of our Universe.
		
 
		
	 
According to them it does.
They theorize that the big bang happens exactly the same each time.
Since all the components are the same then the results are the same.
Nothing is random if you take it out far enough and that is just what they did with this theory.
Its in Michio Kaku book on parallel worlds
		
 
		
	 
I guess it can be argued that the material part will end up the same, but to say all life will end up the same, or, if the same creatures are created, including humans, our behavior will be the same, and all the families the same? Is our life scripted? Our behaviors, while predictable to a degree, a lot revolves around chance when it comes to interactions. If you didn't see someone one day, and didn't say some horrible thing, 10 years down the road could be entirely different in one timeline compared to the one that you did say something horrible. Or didn't see a chick at a bar to say a pickup line? Well, instead of having a wife 10 years out, you could still be single, or have a different wife with different kids and entirely different behavior. Take that line of thought all the way back to the beginning of humanity, and many things could be completely different as far as we know. The Mayans could even end up ruling the world for all we know, if they ever come into existence as a culture. 
 
Just some food for thought in regards to that theory. 
 
	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by: sao123
	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by: destrekor
	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by: Coldkilla
The bible is nothing but a collection of ideas and stories. Most of which are insane and completely unplausible. Talking snakes, parting Red Sea's in half, turning water into wine magically. The Big Bang theory is just that, a theory. Theories are based off of facts, not stories or crazy ideas. Sorry for trying to understand our universe, gosh! "The God Delusion" is more of a suitable book to keep in hotels, than this "Bible" which explains everything with a "just because" attitude, that people actually believe! The theories of science have only one motive, to REALLY understand where we came from, not we're here "just because"... Where did your God come from? I'm tired of this stupid argument. Because to argue Kadarin's point: "Science is trying to remove God" - Okay well then Mr. Scientist, how do you then incorporate science as it does not affect your God? To remove science once and for all? The fact is, we have tripled our lifespans thanks to science, we live better and healthier lives. We know more about our body's psysiology, and how the world simply works. I'd venture a guess as to why you would ever take a medication when you are sick or dieing of a cureable cancer. Tell us all here, that you would not take treatment because your "god" will take care of it all. Actually, better yet, don't take any treatment. It just helps us spread the message of truth. If scientists were suggesting the big bang were a FACT then you could fire at them and say they are trying to remove your god from everything, but they use words like Theroy to keep you religious freaks from blowing up, and of course to keep the idea open to other ideas. God has no place in the government, or the classroom. 
Perhaps when that "brain child" scientist gets to play with the Particle Accelerator this Fall, we'll start seeing what really happened.
		
		
	 
this would be an awesome world if The God Delusion was the book in a drawer at all hotels. Very good read. 

 Although I never finished it... hmm, sadly its at home, which is good, I can finish it over summer. 
I bought it when I had a delay at the airport, although I had looked it up prior to that. 
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Except that many of the worlds top aethists have lamb-basted Dawkins to be utterly moronic.  
One simply put it... imagine someone writing a freshman biology textbook whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology.   His book is more a war on theology with nothing to back it up, and he applies no real science nor common sense to any of the things which he writes about.
		
 
		
	 
some atheists are elitist pricks that think they are better than everyone else. I think the way Dawkins wrote the book was perfect. I'm glad its a war on theology. He kind of actually went my approach to the whole thing, using some facts and some human behavior theories, to describe why the entire idea of theology is a fools creation. 
Atheists, hmm... we don't like, share a church of shared teachings or anything. We are all very different, and have our own ideas, and some have their ideas rooted in philanthropy, or sociology, psychology, philosophy, or any other study of man. Because of that, the reasons one person doesn't believe in the existence of a deity/deities, are not the same reasons everyone calls themselves atheists. People have different reasons for their stance on religion and/or God. 
And not all atheists believe religion is a bad thing and whatnot, so you are going to have many atheists that think the mere existence of The God Delusion on bookshelves is a bad thing. I personally think its great, as I feel the faster we can get humanity to ditch religion, or at least ditch multiple religions and at least get everyone onto the same bandwagon, then we can make a lot more progress on bettering life in general. Religion served its purpose, and I agree it was actually kind of necessary for humans, but now we have progressed around the world - for the most part - and can do without it. 
I'm not pushing for people to stop believing in a deity. I don't care. I think the idea of having a calm mind and not questioning everything can lead to inner peace, or something like that :laugh:, but it's not for me. But religion itself is unnecessary. 
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