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The Big Bang blows atheism sky high

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All I have to say on this thread:
We all know where to go on the internet to have discussions on creationism, theology, bible study.
This is not one of those places. Saying "it is the off topic section" does not really cut it.
Bringing that here is just spamming a tech board and I would respectfully ask that you don't do it.
Thank you.
 
I think the whole point is that we have no way of knowing one way or another how or why we are here. So to latch onto any any idea as an actual answer is silly (aka religion).


Well, religion can be too strong of a word. I'll just call it potential intelligent design. That's my observation and hypothesis.
 
I'm not going to flame you John.
The definition of science:

It does not have anything about gods in there. Nowhere does it say there is no god or gods.

Observable is the problem, but to me I observe the process that was set in motion by a possible creator everyday.

It does not require proof to have a belief.
Saying that trees are too perfect or everything fits too well, or this bird pollinates this flower, these are not provable statements. You are projecting your already formed beliefs onto the landscape around you.


Not provable statements? I don't understand. birds pollinate flowers, trees are perfect, so are bushes and cacti. Look at the human body. It's very complex.
 
Observable is the problem, but to me I observe the process that was set in motion by a possible creator everyday.




Not provable statements? I don't understand. birds pollinate flowers, trees are perfect, so are bushes and cacti. Look at the human body. It's very complex.
your statement that is must be intelligent design. Not provable.
 
Sure, sciences has long disproved and squashed pretty much everything that has been claimed in god's so-called book,


You don't know anything about biblical archeology, do you?



You create in your head arguments that you think others are making, then spring off your board from there. This is why it is not worth listening to your creepy dark room conversations.


You create your own dismissive book of lies.
 
Not provable statements? I don't understand. birds pollinate flowers, trees are perfect, so are bushes and cacti. Look at the human body. It's very complex.

Trees are perfect? says who? certainly not a botonist or an ecologist, or a horticulturist. I challenge you to describe a system that loses 99% of its energy input through a simple process (transpiration) as being perfect.

OK, I guess you first have to define perfect. Then, it would help to be in a position to learn about and actually understand the very systems within which you make such claims.
 
You don't know anything about biblical archeology, do you?

Of course I do--which is exactly why what I say holds true to observable reality.

Did some places described in the Bible actually exist? Did some people? Of course! The Bible acts, in some ways, as a sorta-quasi historical record.

Is there evidence of miracles or floods at such and such time and an ark that carried every animal, including dinosaurs that clearly existed millions of years before some flood possibly could have happened?

lolno.
 
Did some places described in the Bible actually exist? Did some people? Of course! The Bible acts, in some ways, as a sorta-quasi historical record.
Indeed, in much the same way comic books do. Replete with superheroes, super villains, magic, and monsters.
 
Trees are perfect? says who? certainly not a botonist or an ecologist, or a horticulturist. I challenge you to describe a system that loses 99% of its energy input through a simple process (transpiration) as being perfect.

OK, I guess you first have to define perfect. Then, it would help to be in a position to learn about and actually understand the very systems within which you make such claims.


Hold your breath as long as you can. Then go back and edit your post and tell me that imperfect tree didn't save your life. 😀
 
I've come to the conclusion that there are two forms of life on this planet. One that exists in the real world and one that exists solely in cyberspace perpetuating secular crap.
 
You took my quote about biblical archeology and made a snide remark as to what the Bible says.


No, I didn't.

I said did the Romans not exist? Clearly you don't know that the Romans are mentioned in the Bible and that there is a book of Romans.

After you refresh this page for the 20th time, and before you post quote me. Read! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1

I seems you have a peculiar difficulty apprehending reality.
 
“. . .The manifest intentionality and fine-tuning of all creation reveals design of breathtaking complexity. The Creator is of incalculable intelligence and infinite splendor. As I see it, atheism provides a case study in willful suspension of disbelief – all to escape, as the God-denier imagines it, accountability for massaging the libertine impulse. . .” (from the article)

I cannot believe that any thinking person, theist or not, thinks that this old argument is compelling. The fact that even the author realizes that this notion of “fine-tuning” is not strong evidence of intelligent design of our biology or the creation of the universe is obvious in the fact that he does not commit to it, but immediately opens with ad-hom attacks on Atheists (the silly “no atheists in fox hole” fallacy), and then the Psalm 14 quote and trotting out Joseph Stalin “the mass-murdering atheist dictator”, and finally appealing to authority with the quote from Einstein.

As far as the universe being fine-tuned for life, the idea is literally backwards. The universe as we know it was not fine-tuned for life, but life has evolved to fit within the universe as best as it can. We have been tuned by evolution to fit this world, not the other way around. Sorry, but this seems to be a natural process, there is no evidence of a “tuner”. To be sure there may be a fine tuner hidden in the gaps, no one can say with absolute certainty that maybe we are all just a dream of Brahma, but there is no scientific evidence of this. The article that the OP posted does not give any. The best case for the theist in this argument is that there is a “God of the Gaps” hiding somewhere in here.

As far as the ad-homs go, the history of the world has been full of more blood thirsty theist dictators than atheist ones. If the author of the post is willing to claim Genghis Khan, blood thirsty mass murderer and would be world dictating theist, then as an atheist I will claim Stalin. What’s that? Genghis Khan was an animist, and not the kind of theist J. Matt Barber identifies with? Well I am an USAian style libertarian, and have nothing in common with Stalin.

In general there is no “Atheist” hierarchy. Appeals to Authority do not work very well with us. I don’t care if Einstein became a devout Catholic or was a pagan that worshiped Odin. It does not have any basis on this topic. Whether Einstein or Hitler believed in god or not is a silly argument that seem to be important to theists for some reason, but it not that interesting to most atheists. As an aside though, I am always surprised when Christians quote Einstein’s religious views as an appeal to support then. Einstein did not believe in a god that they would recognize.

Give all of the above, the last sentence in the quote form the article in particular is one that I want to address. Looking at all the scandals for the past few years with the Catholic Church, and also preachers from protestant tv evangelists and pastors of mega churches, what “libertine impulse” is beyond the Christian churches? What is J. Matt Barber accusing atheists of? This is a case of a lady protesting too much for sure.

The article the OP posted is clearly just a mean ad-hom attacking atheists.

I have to question what you think posting this will accomplish John Connor. It will certainly not convince any atheist to change their opinion. Do you think that it will change anyone’s opinions?
 
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This is "biblical archaeology" according to Christians:

"I caught a 500 lb sea turtle in the creek down by the big oak tree. See, there's the big oak tree, so you know it's true!"


adjective, snider, snidest. 1. derogatory in a nasty, insinuating manner: snide remarks about his boss.
 
adjective, snider, snidest. 1. derogatory in a nasty, insinuating manner: snide remarks about his boss.

I know I shouldn't, but I want to lay this out there for you. He made a snide remark about what you call biblical archaeology, which you took as trash talk about your favorite book series because you think bible == biblical archaeology. This also made you think that denying the validity of that pseudo-intellectual field of study was the same thing as saying that nothing in your bible happened or existed, which is a textbook example of the converse error.

Also, still loling at this whole thread.
 
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