The Big Bang blows atheism sky high

[MtnMan]

LOL! 3 comments in 8 minutes and I bet no one read the article.

I considered the source, an uber conservative blog pretending to be a news outlet, with a clear bias toward christianity. Christians are desperate, very desperate to be right, surpassed only by their ignorance and wish to drag others into the desperation of their ignorance.

The only thing 'blown up' here is the baseless hype of the headline.

 

[Iron Woode]

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/j...-eventually-catch-gods-word?hl=1&noRedirect=1


What's say you? Are you, the atheist so bold to proclaim that you know the writer of all these books?

I say this is a stupid and unnecessary thread with no logical purpose other than to troll.

 

[soulcougher73]

I don't know. Einstein sure had said some conflicting things. On one hand he's saying God could potentially exist and on the other not so much. Very peculiar person.

How is that hard to understand? Of course god could potentially exist, but the odds are very small is what he is saying.

 

[soulcougher73]

Any "article" that cites its first biblical verse in the fourth sentence isn't really worth finishing unless you are really interested in seeing believers try to twist science to prove god's existence (which is just as foolish as non-believers trying to use science to prove that god - of any description - does not exist)



Well, then I guess in your view all agnostics are very peculiar people. That's okay because we agnostics find it just as peculiar (or maybe just foolish) that anyone can claim that any kind of god must certainly exist. 😀

P.S. - OP may want to look into multiverse theories.

You sure? He cant even seem to grasp this easy one.

 

[zinfamous]

You sure? He cant even seem to grasp this easy one.

are you sure? OP spends much of his free time listening to AM radio. I submit that AM radio is an effective journey into at least one other -verse.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I am more interested in news of that star observed to have a titanic building project obscuring it.

 

[child of wonder]

Oh look another religious person has found a tired, old apologetic argument for their mythical deity and spews it on everyone they can thinking its some new, revolutionary idea.

Checkmate atheists!

 

[zinfamous]

Oh look another religious person has found a tired, old apologetic argument for their mythical deity and spews it on everyone they can thinking its some new, revolutionary idea.

Checkmate atheists!

It's like the OP finally opened one of his pop's @netscape.net emails from 1994 and copy-pasted it here in the future.

 

[Fritzo]

I'm not an athiest per se, but I do have an open mind. The concept of God keeps getting pushed back further and further. The term "God" is essentially what we use to explain things beyond our comprehension.

God makes the rain!
- We learned heat convection from the Sun creates weather patterns, which in turn cause hot/cold spots, condensation, and finally rain

Well, God made the sun!
- We learned that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, and matter in space tends to clump due to gravitational attraction. Once enough hydrogen clumps together, the internal pressure from it's mass makes the atoms fuse into helium. This process generates heat, light, and radiation and is what forms stars.

Well, God made hydrogen!
- Hydrogen is actually the result of the properties of particles created after the big bang interacting with each other. After the universe cooled, the particles "stuck" to each other making hydrogen.

God made the rest of the elements out of hydrogen then, surely...
- Stars are to thank for most other elements (some of the super-heavy elements are man made only). Fusion reactions create helium, lithium, and the next two dozen or so elements...all the way up to iron. Elements heavier than iron are created when a star explodes (or goes supernova). Things like the gold in your ring or the mercury in your fillings--all made in a supernova.

OK well God must have made all those particles that formed hydrogen then
- There's no solid process observed that lays out why sub-atomic particles formed with the properties they did. So, a "God" can not be ruled out at this point.


Maybe in 100 years we'll need to push God back to a different role and we understand more.

 

[IronWing]

^^ "God of the Gaps". Relentlessly defended by people with gaps in their smiles.

 

[zinfamous]

OK well God must have made all those particles that formed hydrogen then
- There's no solid process observed that lays out why sub-atomic particles formed with the properties they did. So, a "God" can not be ruled out at this point.


Maybe in 100 years we'll need to push God back to a different role and we understand more.

I actually agree with your larger point(s) in this post, but as to this one, I would have to point out that you are slightly behind on the news

http://home.cern/

 

[SphinxnihpS]

This math does not compute. That's why I didn't bother reading the link. It's written by an author who obviously has a poor grasp of science and math who is trying to make an argument about science and math. 2^57 exceeds that number. 2^10 quintillion is meaningless. 2^256 exceeds the number of electrons, protons, and neutrons in the visible universe (universe with radius = 13 billion light years.)


Now, take 4 decks of cards (non-identical - get a deck with red pattern on the back, and blue, etc.). Shuffle them. Leave out the jokers. There are 208 factorial possible arrangements. Therefore, the odds of the particular arrangement you got is 1 in 208!. 208! is 2.41111 x 10^393. Obviously, according to the argument in the OP, it's impossible to have gotten the arrangement that you did.

Irony...

The radius of the observable universe is 46B light years.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Irony...

The radius of the observable universe is 46B light years.

Interesting, I was expecting ~13 billion myself, but wasn't considering expansion moving objects farther away after their photons began heading towards us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

SCIENCE! has figured out some fascinating aspects of natural law.

 

[Jeff7]

Its a terrible article.

Its basically "I believe something therefore its true because I believe it and if you dont you're wrong because I believe its true."

The guy can believe what he likes but if he wants to write an article about it he really should bring more to the table than that.

And bringing Bible quotes to a science debate is about like bringing 15 live chickens to an electronics testing lab: They have absolutely no useful value there.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

We know that the universe has been created at least once.

No, we don't.

We have no sensible observation of the universe not existing, ever. Every place and time that we can look, the universe exists. A thing cannot be created or begin to exist unless it first does not exist. Since we cannot say that the universe ever did not exist, we cannot say that it began or that it was created.

 

[clamum]

"For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction – by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000 – then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp. … It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?”

Isn't it possible that the Big Bang we know of is actually last in a 10 quintillion long line of previous failed Big Bangs/Universes that never got off the ground (due to slightly off forces) and just collapsed and ended in "Big Crunch"es? I dunno, maybe that's impossible. But who cares? I'm definitely not an Athiest and I leave open the possibility of a "Supreme Being" or "Higher Power." The point is, I'll find out when I die.

 

[SSSnail]

 

[zinfamous]

Isn't it possible that the Big Bang we know of is actually last in a 10 quintillion long line of previous failed Big Bangs/Universes that never got off the ground (due to slightly off forces) and just collapsed and ended in "Big Crunch"es?

kinda like trying to start your lawnmower engine without the choke?


I think we are all misunderstanding the OP:

He claims that the Big Bang blows Atheism "sky high!" Well, what is Sky High--higher than the sky?

God!

OP is contending that the Big Bang is the clearest evidence we now have that God has been superseded by rational, scientific reasoning. Atheism is now in the sky, supplanting God.

 

[Subyman]

The universe would not exist as it does right now, but it would exist in another form of which its unknowledgeable inhabitants would be arguing his same point.

 

[Ruptga]

Didn't read the thread, but did skim it. There are some sick burns in here, and all well deserved.

Anyway, I don't think this has been mentioned and OP should read this, assuming he can actually read and isn't just a monkey smashing at a keyboard.

As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. ...

Shit, the sitting Pope tried to use the same insipid argument, and this guy wasn't willing to let him get away with it.

The Pope said that the apparent organization that characterizes the entire universe was another indication. It appears that Pius XII's underlying assumption was that the supernatural act of divine creation began with the early stages described by the primeval atom hypothesis:

. . . contemporary science, with one sweep back across the centuries, has succeeded in bearing witness to the august instant of the primordial Fiat Lux, which along with the matter there burst forth from nothing a sea of light and radiation . . . Thus, with that concreteness which is characteristic of physical proofs, modern science has confirmed the contingency of the universe and also the well-founded deduction to the epoch when the world came forth from the hands of the creator.

Statements such as these contradicted Lemaître's own strict distinction between the tools for investigating matters of science and matters of theology. ... Not surprisingly, Lemaître was alarmed when he was informed that the Holy Father would be delivering a speech to the Eighth General Assembly of the International Astronomical Union in Rome. On a trip to South Africa, Father Lemaître stopped at the Vatican to consult with two men, Father O'Connell, a science advisor to Pius XII, as well as the Cardinal Secretary of State. Lemaître's visit had the intended effect. ... Pius XII never mentioned the primeval atom hypothesis again.

 

[DrPizza]

Irony...

The radius of the observable universe is 46B light years.

😛 Yep, my bad. I wasn't thinking for a moment.

 

[sandorski]

"habitual" 😀

I don't know why that typo sounds so strange to me...

It's where people Fap Furiously.

 

[Imp]

Where do I pray to Jésus!

 

[Shlong]

With an infinite amount of universes you're bound to have some that will fit those conditions. If you can believe in God and that he always existed you can also believe that there were always universes or that something can come from nothing.

There could be an architect who is on a much higher dimension / plane of reality and the universes could be just some fun experiment but it's definitely not the God of the bible.

 

[child of wonder]

EDIT: Oops, DP