The Biden infrastructure plan

[sportage]

And so, as I understand it, the various house coalitions had this "deal" where they all would agree to vote on the infrastructure bill but "only" if promised a vote on the BBB bill? Thus, the house did their vote on infrastructure and successfully passed the infrastructure, then as promised voted and passed the BBB bill.
Now, with promises to the house kept and the two votes concluded, it's off to the senate with the BBB bill. Off to the senate where absolutely no assurance that the BBB will go anywhere. Manchin, and others, could klll the bill at this point by agreeing to nothing and with delaying endlessly.

And so what? We're back where we started? Basically?

 

[manly]

I've seen a few different figures, but let's call BBB a $1.8T bill for now. It is almost certain Joe Manchin will want to slice a couple hundred million off that price tag. He may not even want to pass a bill anytime soon, as he's on record as saying. For Manchin, there are at least a couple things at play. First, he says he wants means testing for any family benefits. Secondly, there are accounting tricks to call this a $1.8T bill. Mainly some of the benefits are scheduled for only 6 years. But Manchin is no dummy; he knows that entitlements are popular and if BBB passes, child care and universal pre-K will become permanent federal expenditures.

Manchin and Sinema will undoubtedly have some demands to tweak BBB, but honestly it's hard to know whether the Democratic caucus ultimately comes to a consensus. And if Manchin is truly serious that he doesn't even want a bill passed, then he can keep moving the goalposts until negotiations fall apart.

 

[K1052]

I've seen a few different figures, but let's call BBB a $1.8T bill for now. It is almost certain Joe Manchin will want to slice a couple hundred million off that price tag. He may not even want to pass a bill anytime soon, as he's on record as saying. For Manchin, there are at least a couple things at play. First, he says he wants means testing for any family benefits. Secondly, there are accounting tricks to call this a $1.8T bill. Mainly some of the benefits are scheduled for only 6 years. But Manchin is no dummy; he knows that entitlements are popular and if BBB passes, child care and universal pre-K will become permanent federal expenditures.

Manchin and Sinema will undoubtedly have some demands to tweak BBB, but honestly it's hard to know whether the Democratic caucus ultimately comes to a consensus. And if Manchin is truly serious that he doesn't even want a bill passed, then he can keep moving the goalposts until negotiations fall apart.

We'll soon see how much of his intransigence was a result of getting held up by the House. BBB has got some stuff he wants too while I expect changes something is likely going to pass.

 

[brandonbull]

Seems like the BBB is not fully funded and the rich are going to get a nice tax break. Democrats are the party of the rich and don't care about the middle class and poor.

Democrats may blow campaign promises and give the rich a big tax cut in Biden spending bill: 'We couldn't be giving Republicans a better gift'

A Trump tax law raised taxes on wealthy blue staters. Democrats want to give those high earners a cut 10 times larger than for a middle-class family.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[ivwshane]

Lol the traitor is complaining about the rich saving 6k?

Get the fuck out of here. No really, get the fuck out!

 

[TheVrolok]

Lol the traitor is complaining about the rich saving 6k?

Get the fuck out of here. No really, get the fuck out!

It's only ok when the Republicans cut taxes for the rich! And, it only ok when the Republicans are intellectually/morally/politically inconsistent! Standards are for non Republicans only!

 

[K1052]

Seems like the BBB is not fully funded and the rich are going to get a nice tax break. Democrats are the party of the rich and don't care about the middle class and poor.

Democrats may blow campaign promises and give the rich a big tax cut in Biden spending bill: 'We couldn't be giving Republicans a better gift'

A Trump tax law raised taxes on wealthy blue staters. Democrats want to give those high earners a cut 10 times larger than for a middle-class family.

www.businessinsider.com

SALT relief is not likely to survive the Senate in its current form or scale, as most rational people comprehend. There will be something but it will be less generous.

Republicans complaining about tax cuts and breaks for the wealthy can get fucked. Guess who disproportionally benefited from the TCJA which was funded buy a trillion dollars in deficit spending while lying that it would pay for itself? Real champions of the working class.

 

[fskimospy]

SALT relief is not likely to survive the Senate in its current form or scale, as most rational people comprehend. There will be something but it will be less generous.

Republicans complaining about tax cuts and breaks for the wealthy can get fucked. Guess who disproportionally benefited from the TCJA which was funded buy a trillion dollars in deficit spending while lying that it would pay for itself? Real champions of the working class.

I love how the people who would never vote for any democrat try to claim they are just like the republicans. If that’s true then why won’t you vote for them?

 

[K1052]

I love how the people who would never vote for any democrat try to claim they are just like the republicans. If that’s true then why won’t you vote for them?

Yes, it really is the ultimate in bad faith which they've somehow decided is a virtue.

 

[Bitek]

Seems like the BBB is not fully funded and the rich are going to get a nice tax break. Democrats are the party of the rich and don't care about the middle class and poor.

Democrats may blow campaign promises and give the rich a big tax cut in Biden spending bill: 'We couldn't be giving Republicans a better gift'

A Trump tax law raised taxes on wealthy blue staters. Democrats want to give those high earners a cut 10 times larger than for a middle-class family.

www.businessinsider.com

Oh no, a tax cut. Guess we finally found one conservatives don't like.

It's not an automatic tax cut, as it allows more state and local control of govt spending programs, rather than forcing them to be federal... Something I thought conservatives used to support.

But really, I guess it comes down to the grifting red states like KY wanting to leech off of productive, prosperous states like NJ rather than pay their fair share.

 

[MrSquished]

Republicans are mostly against bridges and roads and trains for all of America, and broadband for rural America. They are all against universal pre-K for American kids and families. They are all against cheaper insulin for Americans, against hearing aids for American seniors, against Medicare negotiating drug prices for American seniors, against investing in clean energy with a focus on boosting the American clean energy industry, these are not Patriots or good Americans.

Just say that out loud Democrats. Say how horrible these people are in that polite way. Keep repeating it. Stop being so polite towards this horrible, horrible party and the horrible, horrible people in it.

 

[shortylickens]

Democrats are giant pussies.
The bill they passed is utter horse shit.

 

[dank69]

Democrats are giant pussies.
The bill they passed is utter horse shit.

What should they have done differently?

 

[ivwshane]

Democrats are giant pussies.
The bill they passed is utter horse shit.

I’m not understanding you. First you seem to be opposed to tyranny or anarchy with gun nuts controlling everyone else and now you are complaining that democrats should have acted like tyrants and passed what they really want as a party but couldn’t because they didn’t have enough control of government? You are either for the rule of law or you aren’t, which is it?